IMK declares war on T4H. They are at war with Risen, and even though Risen were handling themselves ok for the first couple of days, the numerical overweight T4H has will surely get them soon. After Risen would be gone, I am very sure that IMK are just the next on the road for T4H(unless they all get inactive for some reason and love munching intribe). That is why we made a temporary alliance with Risen for as long as one of us both is at war with T4H(an enemy of my enemy is my friend), and now declare on T4H, so that we can pick when we go to war with T4H and not them. Because the war will come anyway, it's just a matter of time.
Look!
Well, first of all, I would just like to say, I didn't want to make a declaration about it, I wanted to keep it on the low like T4H usually does(ex.; Dark, Moogle, Risen), and make an official declaration after a week or 2 at war to surprise the world and show some good stats and propaganda, but this mail made me prepare a decleration before we attacked anyway:
Spoiler:KSTornado on 12.06. at 16:42
It has come to my understanding that you are now aware of T4H being involved in a war with Risen. This is true. We have commenced attacks and are considering anyone who leaves Risen a refugee. We ask that you do not invite anyone from Risen into your ranks. As promised, we would like to try and keep relations with your tribe in good standing and hope talks can recommence as stated before. We have not been aggressive with your tribe since our last talks and we plan on keeping it that way. I hope this mail finds you well.
KSTornado
T4H Diplomat
warham on 12.06. at 17:57
Read and understood.
And now T4H allready know that we're going to war with them because Navajo run and merged with RT and spilled our plans(check mail below), we might aswell declare!:
Spoiler:KSTornado today at 17:00
Originally Posted by Author
warham on 11.06. at 10:56
Didn't like the job eh? If your boss is a sob tell him to S H O V E the Jay oh bee
Well, RT is at war with BUL, they're ahead and winning a bit, but BUL will come with an op again soon to try and level it out(they won't completely I think but at least catch up a bit again) and BUL won't disband anytime quickly. RT-SW rename is just a joke. So RT is currently tied down, T4H is cocky and doesn't think highly of the north eastern smaller tribes. They won't expect IMK to start hitting them, and expect Navajo even less.
Some of the better Risen members will be joining IMK when we attack to give them better guidance and strategies as we can use them in our ops and can teach them stuff. We can use them better then Risen. After the war they can go back if they really want to and if Risen will still exist.
O'Rly?
warham today at 17:06
Have you seen a print screen of that?
KSTornado today at 17:07
Care to give one? This is not sitting very well with us an actually looks like a declaration of war.
warham today at 17:13
hold on. Sending prt scr of the real deal in a minute.
warham today at 17:20
oh I found the mail, making print screen now.
warham today at 17:29
Oh, and about that Risen merge, we had allready agreed not to go through with it :P
warham today at 17:31
As you can clearly see, IMK has nothing to do with all of it!
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/r...HAT/prtscr.jpg
warham today at 17:31
there's not even a mention of IMK there
KSTornado today at 17:33
So I guess this is a declaration of war by your tribe then?
warham today at 17:35
Can it wait untill thursday? I get unbanned on PnP by then
KSTornado today at 17:36
Only got jokes when caught red handed?
warham today at 17:38
Well, no point in trying to hide it anymore now :D
Now, for those who are interested, I would just like to attack KST's statement in his mail in the first spoiler about T4H being good to IMK so that we would stay out of the war with some facts noted in the spoilers below. If you are not interested, don't read it because it's not really that exciting.
Spoiler:
03.05
1) IMK declares war on their allies Moogle because Moogle tried to betray IMK.
2) Moogle is at war with Clear! and IMK so T4H wants to join in and make it a gangbang for easy expansion, so they contact IMK(as we suspected) for a 30 day NAP a re-evaluation after 30 day period. Other terms are; support eachother if possible, but no offensive support.
04.05
T4H tells IMK they are going to attack Moogle in 1 week(like we again suspected).
11.05
Final agreements have been made by IMK and T4H about territories on the same day T4H launched their offensive. T4H have to stay out of K14, K25 and K24 will be divided in half, the eastern part goes to IMK, the western part goes to T4H(-450=T4H, +451=IMK).
19.05
T4H lets their members know about this deal after I gave them a little rant. Before this day T4H has offcourse offended it many times.
Spoiler:
Originally Posted by Stuart Maher on 19.05. at 18:37
It was agreed with IMK that we would share K24, them having the east half and us the west half. This is not a accomodation I am 100% happy with, but it was agreed on.
20.05
The T4H diplomat mails me for a 'diplomatic solution' concerning the villages taken in IMK-agreed territory.Spoiler:
Nice solution for IMK eh?Originally Posted by KSTornado
So, my suggestion is this. We draw an amnesty on whats taken till now. Then agree to not claim anything further over the 450 line.My response:
Originally Posted by warham
(he's talking about the mails with me and KST)Originally Posted by Author
StuartMaher on 19.05. at 18:34
Yeah, that was a different transcript to the one he sent me. Let me get back to you with a proposal
This was the last message I had from a T4H representative.
I'm sorry if I was 'snide', but it has indeed taken a while(It took T4H 9 days to 'notify their members' about the deal they made with IMK), and while IMK has been very consequent in the terms, T4H has not. First we make a deal that we could get east you get west, then you mail me why are you attacking pewpewzomglaser, and when I tell you pewpew is in the east you say you are going to notify one of the dukes. After that no-one mailed me about it so I mailed normy(I thought he was in charge).(pewpew was still taken out by T4H, and the nukes & nobles we had headed to him were stacked by T4H or dodged and retaken by T4H)
Then stuart told me that it was agreed between IMK and T4H that T4H would get the total of K24(I'm very sure that stuart did in fact knew the real deal but was just playing dumb). Thats when I explained our convo and forwarded the piece where we agreed that T4H would get west and IMK would get east. After that he said he would get back to me and never did.For reference, KST forwarded me a mail he was having with one of my council members who was attacking pewpewzomglaser and KST was telling my council member that pewpew was a T4H target(eventhough his being in east K24) which kinda contradicts stuarts' 'playing dumb'.Originally Posted by KSTornado
That mail was sent to you yesterday. This game takes time as you very well know. (9 days?)
No duke ever mailed me about this again. First signs of trouble...I JeRzEe BoI I on 14.05. at 21:47
Hey mate,
I sent this to one of your tribemates:
"Hello NiMaCh,
I've noticed that you have taken z002 BBQ (468|267) K24 and I just wanted to let you know that IMK has planned and executed an opertaion on pewpewzomglaser. My attacks on that village are beyond cancelling and I would appreciate it if you would clear the village of troops as to not cause any conflict. Once again, all of the villages of pewpewzomglaser are under attack by IMK and I would greatly appreciate it if you would cease nobling his villages. Thanks.
JB"
Im just letting you know so that this player do not report that he is under attack from IMK. I've already mailed another member(Baited I think was the name) and he seemed pretty easy-going about it and allowed us to continue with our operation. I know that it is somewhat on your northern border, but this operation was to allow several northern IMK members to establish a bas against Moogle. The attacks were already launched before Moogle disbanded. As I stated in my mail, my attacks on that village are beyond cancelling, and I would have cancelled if I would have seen this coming. I would greatly appreciate it if the villages was cleared so that myself and the other attackers may continue with this operation. I am open to negotiation and I am the organizer of this operation so if you have any questions about the targets, feel free to mail me. My apologies for the inconvenience.
JB
KSTornado on 14.05. at 21:49
It was agreed upon with IMK and T4H council that IMK take the Eastern half of K24 and T4H take the western. Our movement is north west on K24. That is the way it will be.
KSTornado on 14.05. at 22:10
......
This message has been forwarded by KSTornado.
warham on 14.05. at 22:15
pewpew is in the eastern part of K24:
TWstats map
KSTornado on 14.05. at 22:27
I will forward this onto a duke. He will take over from here.
KSTornado on 14.05. at 22:41
normy is going to bed right now but he will contact you as soon as he wakes up.
warham on 14.05. at 22:43
Ok. I don't see the problem though. The terms are very clear and pewpew is overobviously in the east of K24.
KSTornado on 14.05. at 22:47
Apparently there is a disagreement with some members on the council over this. I'm leaving it up to a duke to deal with this situation as we both do not need this to blow up into something it doesn't need to be and to let a Duke from our side handle this for us would be better. This doesn't mean I disagree with you, I just want to make sure my Duke speaks with you on the matter in order for both our tribes to get a full understanding and a full agreement on the future so that these type of things don't lead us into problem areas. I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
21.05
Stuart maher offers his apologies for the major T4H noblings inside east K24 and after alot of ranting from me again it is agreed that IMK can invite TurboHead as a compensation.
23.05
Through talks with a T4H member mailing me, I understand that now only a part of the agreement was told to T4H members, and T4H members are supposedly free to noble in K25 and K14.
24.05
Staurt maher sent me an angry mail because TurboHead nobled 2 villages inside west K24.Spoiler:
I don't really see why you want to bring the same village up twice?StuartMaher on 24.05. at 01:05
TurboHeads (415|262) K24Abandoned Turbohead [IMK] 23rd May 2009 - 17:17:02
Barbarian village (433|263) K24 Abandoned Turbohead [IMK]
Thought we had agreement. Turbo is still taking villages in our part of K24.
2 options this time:
a)you dismiss him (I like this one much more)
b)he is giving those 2 villages to our members, sending out troops and not defending.
warham on 24.05. at 08:54
I'll take b)
warham on 24.05. at 08:55
I mailed him I'll tell you when they're clear.
warham on 24.05. at 14:09
They're clear to take.
StuartMaher on 24.05. at 15:09
thanks
StuartMaher on 24.05. at 20:09
TurboHeads future farm (415|262) K24 9,676 Abandoned Turbohead [IMK] 23rd May 2009 - 17:17:02
I`m tired. Dismiss him or our deal is canceled.
warham on 25.05. at 08:04
I will discuss with my co-dukes first plz. You will have an answer today.
warham on 25.05. at 18:23
Option B was taken and followed through, both villages were taken by T4H.StuartMaher on 24.05. at 01:05
TurboHeads (415|262) K24Abandoned Turbohead [IMK] 23rd May 2009 - 17:17:02
Barbarian village (433|263) K24 Abandoned Turbohead [IMK]
Thought we had agreement. Turbo is still taking villages in our part of K24.
2 options this time:
a)you dismiss him (I like this one much more)
b)he is giving those 2 villages to our members, sending out troops and not defending.
warham on 24.05. at 08:54
I'll take b)
StuartMaher on 24.05. at 20:09
TurboHeads future farm (415|262) K24 9,676 Abandoned Turbohead [IMK] 23rd May 2009 - 17:17:02
I`m tired. Dismiss him or our deal is canceled.
warham on 25.05. at 18:28
[URLl=http://en26.tribalwars.net/page.php?page=inbound&screen=info_player&id=261712]kappa01[/url] today at 08:42
I took some villages from your area.
I did it beacause my leader STUARTMAHER were attacked from those villages.
Hope you understand and will have no problems.
I have the reports as well.
Best reagards.
Kappa01
Baron of T4H
warham today at 18:25
I got attacked from the east of K24 aswell, I didn't noble inside east K24 either?
[/quote]
If our agreement goes both ways, those villages should now belong to IMK if he only recently nobled them. I gave you back the villages my guy nobled in your turf, then you should give back the villages your guy nobled in my turf. It's as simple as that. And plz don't bring up the fact that I recruited turbohead, because I recruited him with your permission because T4H had been nobling in the east.
StuartMaher on 25.05. at 18:49
Kappa nobled those villages to not let him noble mine. And Turbohead`s location is in our part of K24.[/quote]
So 2 villages being nobled by IMK in west K24 is good enough to either 'dismiss an entire player or cancel the entire deal', but T4H can noble in east K24 but they don't have to be give anything back? Or is stuart really incapable of defending from a few attacks from 1 player at least half a K away? Not to mention the illegal T4H conquers below which we never recieved compensation for:
Spoiler:
... (483|276) K24 4,294 pewpewzomglaser [Moogle] Baited [T4H] 12th May 2009 - 04:38:42
... (486|280) K24 5,675 pewpewzomglaser [Moogle] Baited [T4H] 12th May 2009 - 05:17:47
035. Christina (457|288) K24 12,355 snowday202 [Moogle] normy [T4H] 12th May 2009 - 21:07:49
... (493|263) K24 10,558 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Baited [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 00:45:40
025. Carrie (459|294) K24 11,495 snowday202 [Moogle] normy [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 14:56:51
attack (458|275) K24 9,747 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] kappa01 [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 19:12:42
attack (452|275) K24 9,706 djrichie kappa01 [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 18:03:25
... (473|266) K24 9,754 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Baited [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 21:04:08
Dimitris Kalantzis (464|275) K24 9,711 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] kappa01 [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 21:27:20
attack (453|276) K24 9,706 djrichie kappa01 [T4H] 13th May 2009 - 21:30:11
attack (467|272) K24 9,714 j-tyle [Risen] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 08:15:01
attack (468|273) K24 9,780 j-tyle [Risen] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 11:07:12
attack (468|269) K24 9,600 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 12:12:49
T4H~ D7 (456|278) K24 9,661 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Jeydin [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 12:53:1
attack (459|273) K24 9,672 j-tyle [Risen] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 14:39:41
z002 BBQ (468|267) K24 9,680 pewpewzomglaser NiMaCh [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 14:46:03
attack (459|273) K24 9,672 kappa01 [T4H] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 14:48:27
24.Cirdan (456|273) K24 6,881 djrichie AbsalomNZ [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 20:02:39
Refugee Camp (454|272) K24 10,414 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Tristor23 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:01:00
... (462|274) K24 9,657 j-tyle [Risen] Baited [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:03:16
attack (467|272) K24 9,718 j-tyle [Risen] kappa01 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:06:11
Morty (453|277) K24 10,361 djrichie 0--0 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:27:47
Refugee Camp (457|272) K24 9,659 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Tristor23 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:29:38
Antwnis Repanis (457|276) K24 10,300 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] 0--0 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:33:03
... (463|273) K24 9,952 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Baited [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 21:40:13
Dimitris Kalantzis (464|275) K24 9,761 kappa01 [T4H] 0--0 [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 22:29:40
z001 Yummy (467|268) K24 9,680 pewpewzomglaser NiMaCh [T4H] 14th May 2009 - 23:52:25
022. Behind these hazel eyes (457|293) K24 12,099 snowday202 normy [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 00:41:01
T4H ~ D8 (452|278) K24 12,109 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Jeydin [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 04:33:38
Rescue and Recovery A016 (464|279) K24 9,818 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Devilyn Caster [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 10:00:23
... (484|270) K24 9,632 Kwash Baited [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 12:40:24
T4H PROPERTY NOW (454|278) K24 2,792 djrichie 0--0 [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 14:53:21
026. I just cannot live a lie (458|293) K24 11,507 snowday202 normy [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 23:03:31
attack (466|265) K24 9,716 j-tyle [Risen] kappa01 [T4H] 15th May 2009 - 23:21:29
... (462|260) K24 10,141 j-tyle [Risen] Baited [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 02:19:48
... (482|270) K24 9,509 Kwash Baited [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 03:19:27
Azron (466|275) K24 9,239 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Blackfire Mage [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 04:47:49
... (455|259) K24 10,783 snowday202 Baited [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 13:27:02
24.Celeborn (464|272) K24 9,706 j-tyle AbsalomNZ [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 15:07:58
OCHUMBA WUMBA (454|287) K24 3,192 mitsnave [EBAY] normy [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 15:51:30
z002 BBQ (468|267) K24 9,690 I JeRzEe BoI I [IMK] NiMaCh [T4H] 16th May 2009 - 19:28:4
HORRID (452|291) K24 10,230 mitsnave [EBAY] normy [T4H] 17th May 2009 - 05:27:44
... (475|260) K24 9,789 j-tyle [hahaha] Baited [T4H] 17th May 2009 - 05:47:09
z900 (500|299) K25 9,460 Abandoned NiMaCh [T4H] 17th May 2009 - 07:59:30
z1000 (472|271) K24 9,680 pewpewzomglaser NiMaCh [T4H] 17th May 2009 - 15:47:24
... (464|234) K24 9,612 latinoshadow02 [Deleya] Baited [T4H] 17th May 2009 - 23:22:24
... (473|252) K24 8,824 j-tyle [hahaha] Baited [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 06:33:36
... (468|234) K24 5,275 mitsnave [EBAY] Baited [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 18:56:45
... (472|258) K24 10,197 Abandoned Baited [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 20:08:39
... (496|266) K24 6,942 pewpewzomglaser Baited [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 20:49:16
... (467|232) K24 10,010 mitsnave [EBAY] Baited [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 21:12:33
... (472|258) K24 10,197 Baited [T4H] NiMaCh [T4H] 18th May 2009 - 21:10:54
24.Durin (463|260) K24 8,812 j-tyle [hahaha] AbsalomNZ [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 01:52:53
24.Elrond (467|256) K24 8,652 j-tyle [hahaha] AbsalomNZ [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 01:52:16
24.Dain (461|262) K24 8,566 j-tyle [hahaha] AbsalomNZ [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 01:49:30
24.Eomer (467|257) K24 8,556 j-tyle [hahaha] AbsalomNZ [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 02:39:25
thedangerzone 33 (519|291) K25 8,937 Abandoned thedangerzone [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 07:17:38
... (472|258) K24 10,197 NiMaCh [T4H] Baited [T4H] 19th May 2009 - 06:58:25
There's lots and lots more, I couldn't be arsed to search even more, it's to time-consuming to list them all down.
31.05
A duke of T4H is account sitting one of our players, the T4H duke and our player happen to come from the same country, and the player in question is only 9 years old so easy to manipulate. I mail that duke about it and the outcome was this:Spoiler:
[quote]normy on 31.05. at 08:14
He set me as sitter and mailed that I can take his villages. That`s all.
warham on 31.05. at 11:20
oh thats all. Like, you accepting is not a big deal at all? Even if he were not IMK you can't even take his villages as it goes against the terms for our NAP. We were allready about to dismiss him for inactivity anyway, so we will be taking his villages thank you.
normy on 31.05. at 11:22
I accepted it not looking who is asking for sitting. Noticed that it is he later.
Taking his villages is breaking our NAP.
normy on 31.05. at 11:29
Why inviting is breaking NAP? You didn`t start taking his villages and he was free to join any tribe.
He offered his villages to me. Sorry, but can`t forward mail I can but you will be not able to understand it becouse it is not in english.
Do I even need to explain how dumb that last reply was? Ok i'll give it a go: Inviting players from another tribe is an act of war, definately when they are NAP'd, and especially if in that NAP terms have been made about territories, and that player is in the middle of IMK territory. Not only did they invite a player, they invited an inactive player(if we wouldn't have had activity issues at the time we would've eaten and dismissed him ourselfs) to start nobling him out.
05.06
NAP with T4H has ended, and is not renewed. The decision of not renewing came from T4H's side.
In the previous days IMK has started minor defensive preperations for a possible war with T4H, also it is agreed with Risen who we have a NAP with, that if one of us is attacked by T4H the other side will not join in on the gangbang. In the following days T4H starts attacking Risen.




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