WET and Bush - Merge?

[The Sticky Bandits]

Or not.

homcgra1 on 17.08. at 15:45
Fancy attacking me back?

homcgra1 on 19.08. at 03:29
No belittling banter? Not witty response? No sublime statement? :(

homcgra1 on 24.08. at 01:50
You didn't defend :(

Snake MC on 24.08. at 19:30
defending others, oh well. lets see you keep them.


I gotta admit you planned that well... or spent half your waking hours pounding the keyboard.


I do have a wild question for you. What would you and several of your better players think about joining WET?


Do not laugh. If we were not at war with sohk too Bush would be in deep trouble.

I believe we have a few more good active players than bush does, and i was very unimpresed about everyone elses attacks (except yours).


I follow our leadeship what ever they decide and we are currently allied with PHAT but personally i think PHAT is playing both of us. Were a select group to join WET we could grow rapidly and lay waste to sohk.

Currently in the end you and a few other might be asked to join phat (or swat) but bush has little chance as a tribe. A soon as either we get smaller PHAT will attack you and i believe the opposite is true.

Since Swat's only real target is phat and nothing is happening then i can only assume they have some kind of agreement, how long is lasts i have know idea.

homcgra1 on 24.08. at 20:14
Let me ask you this.

You recruited 7TH from us.

You recruited BadboyBoogey from us.

You recruited Physical Terrorist from us.

We've effectively eliminated all the turn-coats, and are gaining K53 rapidly - retaking half a K, forcing capestorm to give up and delete in the process.

TechnoDog went inactive and got kicked for a while the moment I launched nukes and fakes on him. BadboyBoogey relied on Phat to sit him as his WET sitter (elang perksasa usually, according to the sitting name on memberlist).

I sat kingmq38 daily for weeks and you couldn't cap much from us as an isolated player, until his coplayer took over from me.

I've seen nothing but poor attempts at recaps on sat accounts and active accounts over the past month. And one awfully planned op.

Heck, my solo op (which was good fun) was more successful than any WET op so far in this war. Cleared a bunch of O villages, and only got unlucky with undernoblings and forgetting to send a train!

If anything, due to your lack of real leadership in WET, it should be you guys asking to join us.

Regards,

Googly.
HAIL BUSH

Snake MC on 24.08. at 23:39
ok. you will find out.

i took 38 vills off king FWIW. 54 from bush until you shouwed up and i was spent.


lets see you hold them.

Snake MC on 24.08. at 23:41
also you all had phat napping you and they never told us. so now we know, not so easy when you dont have surprise on your side. we gonna have a grinding war now. that should make phat happy

homcgra1 on 24.08. at 23:49
You're not doing a good job of convincing me why I would be interested in joining a more inactively led tribe than the one I'm currently in...

Snake MC on 25.08. at 03:18
i guess i was not clear. we both have inactive dopes.

i believe phat is planning all this and will swoop down on the 'winner'.

we could start another tribe but wet has an allyship with phat which makes them hesitate. but if it takes a new tribe to make everyone happy so be it.

all of our top players are tired of busting their butts and getting shafted by phat or in-actives that waste troops on help etc.

lets get the top players of both tribes together, that is 60. everyone else is cannon fodder. we base it oda and odd. 30 from each tribe unless someone shows a clearly better player. we also have 3 from $hadow i want to bring in (27 wet, 3 $hadow)

i bet we do not really have 60 between us that know how to play and truly are active anyway.

it is just that i do not want to wait around and bust my butt only to have phat snatch it away.

i will play to the end and i can last a long time, but that is not winning.

homcgra1 on 25.08. at 03:32
So you want me to come over, and bring 29 other decent Bush people in to WET?

If we are to do so, we need to decide on a new tribe name. I can make it happen I guess, as I'm very convincing as a writer. I just need every detail planned out first.

I'm willing to discuss this, and then make a decision based on what my gut instinct says. I suspect you could be right about Phat, which is the only reason I am considering this.

~Googly

Snake MC on 25.08. at 06:09

I'm willing to discuss this, and then make a decision based on what my gut instinct says. I suspect you could be right about Phat, which is the only reason I am considering this.

i have never asked this before. i have gone down with three other tribes as a large player... never giving up. It is part of the game

what i cant stand it this political crap... using others, hiding in a tribe and bouncing from time to time.


we can start our own tribe if you want. i dont want to be duke. i can name a few others you can talk to whom you chose as co duke or something. i would like baron so i can see whats going on but other than that i set up ops when needed but mostly like to fight.

one thing we would need to do right away is ask to be allied/napped to phat for now and take out sohk and control the south. that would force them to fight swat if swat doesnt came after them first.

other than not having a dictatorship i dont care who is duke. just someone experienced and active with a thick skin.


as you can see i have incoming. if you are serious i will stop for now once these land.

homcgra1 on 25.08. at 12:16
Why SOHK over Phat?

SOHK need to take on Smile regardless. It makes the most sense to make a move on Phat from the south ;)

Snake MC on 25.08. at 14:53
you can all argue that as tribal leaders then.

that would leave us with a 2 front war i believe but get a tribe together of the best, then work it out.


again i do not want to be duke but i suggest 1 duke from each tribe co duke.

i already asked two i trust to get list of 30 they want to continue fighting with, i have given no other details. this is going to be an all or nothing for me. we each get 30 to join and go.

without a doubt we will have the strongest tribe on this world, and i mean the most active, knowledgable, supportive fighters.

homcgra1 on 25.08. at 15:35
Alright.

Once you have chosen your 30 members, I'll sort out 30 of mine.

The best thing to do would be to get down to 30 members each asap. If you can disband $hadow and bring your 3 in, and remove your unwanted players in WET asap, I'll get on it.

I am unsure as to who in WET gives information to SOHK. Do you know who in Bush is the person giving both WET, Phat and probably SOHK information? I suspect it could well be one of the people I would otherwise bring with me.

Snake MC on 25.08. at 17:37
we have a spy in $hadow. they are gonna be left behind as the 3 i want i trust and have high oda against sohk.

Snake MC on 25.08. at 17:40
no idea on bush. i had access to a spy a while back third hand but they seemed to have stopped. other than the nap you all were working on with PHAT i didnt get anything else.


FWIW we have been asking for support from PHAT since our war broke out and all they do is ask more quetions, have not received a single troop in support.

and that is from an ally.

Snake MC on 25.08. at 18:20
i am down to 38 players. would you want to have a sister tribe of 20 (10 from each) they never invite but is only used to replace players sin the main tribe that quit? remember this world is going to be at war for another year or two.

homcgra1 on 25.08. at 19:34
I don't believe in sister tribes. They cause more problems than they solve.

Snake MC on 26.08. at 01:03
hmm we were great with $hadow.
i am down to 34 and hard to lose those last 4. call it a replacement tribe because that is what they will be.
we have some mid size who have really come on and i hate to leave the behind since with this shift there is no doubt they will grow fast. anyway think about it.

homcgra1 on 26.08. at 01:52
Not an option. 60 people is the maximum.

Any more, and we're effectively achieving nothing that diplomacy wouldn't do anyway. And Bush is currently winning in the war against WET, so diplomacy would be pointless at this stage.

Snake MC on 26.08. at 03:36
ok

homcgra1 on 26.08. at 17:59
Can you pass me a list of the people you want out of the tribe at your end?

Snake MC on 26.08. at 18:36
tomorrow, i have to a make few more cuts.

who do you want to start the new tribe? you? me?

details, are you going to co-duke from bush or someone else? i need to figure out ours.

homcgra1 on 26.08. at 18:53
I'd probably be baron with the current Bush duchess being a co-duke.

You'd be best of starting it - if you can get your 30 all settled down and then we slowly incorporate the 30 Bush people in to it, there will be less problems long-term.

Snake MC on 26.08. at 19:56
agreed. tommorow I will make the announcement and give you the list. we give them 1 day to step up.

but i still need to know are you going to move and create the new tribe and send invites or me? we can do that saturday afternoon.

i will finish my list tonight after work. i guess i can should send it then.

Snake MC on 26.08. at 20:01
i also I think for us put me as co duke, temporary until our guys chose one or klenne5 instead of me. i want to make sure we have someone that can work with your duke and have an even view on things.

most will love the idea once the shock wears off as we work very well together, and the few that never stepped up or currently are in limbo are anger the ones that fight.

homcgra1 on 26.08. at 20:22
"but i still need to know are you going to move and create the new tribe and send invites or me? we can do that saturday afternoon."

If you could handle that, it would be fantastic

Snake MC on 26.08. at 22:05
I will need your list tomorrow and the co-duke you want.

homcgra1 on 26.08. at 22:25
Alright mate, I'll get on it too.

Snake MC on 27.08. at 04:24
not in any order

1 Warrior
2 Snake mc
3 Klenne5
4 All4vols
5 Litkafilip
6 Elang, but not as a leader
7 Empty
8 Okiks
9 Candlej4ck
10 River
11 Scienticien
12 blue.devil
13 cesar III
14 marauder
15 mizha
16 mentalstate
17 seve330
18 asulto
19 chemicalclown
20 connor connor
21 C tunes
22 Obelix
23 rudixar
24 peter Edmund Lonsdale
25 egna
26 Ballenor
27 pimptrump
28 theking-Stephen
29 vederzone
30 RUDYG

Snake MC on 27.08. at 04:26
as soon as i get your list (and the co duke name) i will send my guys an email with explanation, then start the tribe, then invites.

i will just come up with name for now, we can change it later.

homcgra1 on 27.08. at 12:10
homcgra1
Santhergeist
nikra
Memory Lane <-- co-duke
phil224
Aleksandr1
sub555
makita1969
mnr88
jjensen53
jrqtwall
dwinpenny
Canuck1982
sibyfarms
Marius Valentius
fightingscots
bobbingforapples
moomey
w-hat
kingmq38
xCaliburEagle
ciucci80
widd
Youcef04
sexylove187
Tenticle
zhong yan
Wehrmacht222
Syldexia
TjHooker


Let me know when you start, and I'll send a mail around about it.

Snake MC on 27.08. at 16:27
i recognize some names...good choices. i have bit a work to do (wife never stops with her to-do list), I should get the announcement out and tribe set before 0400 st.

Snake MC on 27.08. at 20:45
came home and the wife is out shopping ....typical. any i sent the email to my guys and am setting the tribe invites to mine now. let me know when you want it sent to yours.

homcgra1 on 27.08. at 21:04
I'll get on it in a bit - doing W57 stuff currently.

Snake MC on 27.08. at 21:06
np. the name we can change i just picked something (i watch whale wars). i sent my team invites.

Snake MC on 27.08. at 21:07
FYI some of us are on W58 if you want to try (or anyone else) just select the NW

homcgra1 today at 00:07
I'm in W58 already, in Pacman.

Snake MC today at 02:17
ahh i m in _hits_ nw

Snake MC today at 05:15
it would help to start bringing you all over. some are worried this is a trick. after phat crap kinda hard to blame them

Snake MC today at 17:42
many are waiting for some bush to move over

homcgra1 today at 17:59
Bush is a tribe loyal to its members, and its members are loyal to Bush. We're going to stay put. Thanks for talks though

~Googly

Snake MC today at 18:00
wow a trick then nice well gl with that

homcgra1 today at 18:01
Best wishes.

Snake MC today at 18:02
not really

Snake MC today at 18:02
same as phat what honor

homcgra1 today at 18:17
Amuse yourself :P

This message has been forwarded by homcgra1.

[dwinpenny]

at least my name was on the list from BUSH.

the formation of gojira doesnt seem to have gone down too well with certain players from WET

http://www.twstats.com/en52/index.ph...ax=&timerange=

[Freyrsapprentice]

ahdamm googly, you are cruel
couldnt just nuke them could you

[--S--]

I enjoyed the read, glad to see the wonderful WET go down in flames ;) Good work Bush & thank you for the read!

[Artofdefence]

This thread is legend. I like how snake MC talks about Phat not having any honour while Phat would probably *still* be fighting bush if Snake was not part of Wet's council. Not to mention.. without Snake wet would probably have taken in the -MM- members when the latter fell apart as well.

But guys, does this also mean I can't make the academy tribe any more?

[ali985]

This thread is legend. I like how snake MC talks about Phat not having any honour while Phat would probably *still* be fighting bush if Snake was not part of Wet's council. Not to mention.. without Snake wet would probably have taken in the -MM- members when the latter fell apart as well.

But guys, does this also mean I can't make the academy tribe any more?

Does this mean that Bush and Phat are not at war anymore. If so i think Snake's doing the right thing in trying to ditch Phat like Phat ditched WET as soon as WET started to struggle a bit.

[stutterinsteve]

Does this mean that Bush and Phat are not at war anymore. If so i think Snake's doing the right thing in trying to ditch Phat like Phat ditched WET as soon as WET started to struggle a bit.

Never ditched you guys. We supported some of your tribe members and we also offered to sit accounts in your tribe. But never got any sent to us.

[Artofdefence]

Never ditched you guys. We supported some of your tribe members and we also offered to sit accounts in your tribe. But never got any sent to us.

I sat badboyboogey for a few days, around the time she got 4 defender of the day awards in a row. Apparently I was the only sitter who knew how to snipe. While I sat her she lost 4 villages, I did three recaps. The days before and the days after my sitting she lost between a dozen and 35 villages a day.

I also would like to point out that I arranged about 90 to 100 villages of support to be sent to her during this time. This was about 2-3 times more def than WET was giving the account.

Does this mean that Bush and Phat are not at war anymore. If so i think Snake's doing the right thing in trying to ditch Phat like Phat ditched WET as soon as WET started to struggle a bit.

Phat and bush napped a while ago.

I came back from vacation and there was a large argument in our shared forum from them. Their council was straight out flaming us and asking silly things in a way that came across very unprofessional. Wet council members even flamed each other in this shared council room. I stopped taking the forum serious at this point and it was around this time that the relations between phat and wet hit an all time low. I do also recall scienticien or warrior1978 deleting all the posts in the forum. We napped Bush soon after.

[randerson586]

LOL and after all phat flaming of -SWAT- not helping there allies it so just turns out you do sweet fa for yours.

[minaise]

its pretty obvious why anyone hasn't helped snake, because all you get from him is arrogant gibberish.

i myself have supported both wet players who have asked me, not sure why more haven't asked tho.

[Dark Conviction]

It was Snake MC who deleted all the posts in the shared council forum. This was at the same time he announced to both Phat and WET that Phat were making an alliance with Bush.

[tossa75]

Entertaining.

[randerson586]

Phat and bush napped a while ago.

I came back from vacation and there was a large argument in our shared forum from them. Their council was straight out flaming us and asking silly things in a way that came across very unprofessional. Wet council members even flamed each other in this shared council room. I stopped taking the forum serious at this point and it was around this time that the relations between phat and wet hit an all time low. I do also recall scienticien or warrior1978 deleting all the posts in the forum. We napped Bush soon after.

So you took a NAP with a tribe who is attacking your allies ?

[Asta Lapasta]

We sent support, we sat accounts, we offered to do much more. In return? We get a bunch of crap, and people telling us how such bad allies we are.

If helping with support, sitting your accounts is "ditching" you then fine.

Snake, its not our fault that Sohk and Bush declared on you. Recruiting Warrior caused you guys to miss out on a lot of recruits that Phat was helping you get.

We like Wet, always have even with the poor decision making

Googly, do what you got to do bro, but Snake will create you more harm then good. He likes putting the blame on people when otherwise it is him who starts the trouble. Would rather put the blame on Phat, who has helped Wet out in more ways then one, then to worry about his two-front war that they have done more to bring on then to prevent.

Phat members: Don't even bother wasting your time on this thread. Obviously Snake wants people to dig him and his tribe out of the situation they put themselves in.

[tossa75]

You're not exactly calling out WET anyway (IMO, at least.) - you're calling out Goj.

[Artofdefence]

Snake is just 7th cavalry minus Akon.

[ali985]

I do agree with some of what you say. Once WET invited 7th and warrior i just knew i couldn't be a part of that tribe anymore.

However i still think its quite bad that because of 1 or 2 members of WET, Phat has now made peace with Bush and left WET to be destroyed by Bush and SOHK. Doesn't seem like good allies at all their. Also WET council did appear to be split when i was still there mainly with a few people wanting to recruit warrior and go to war with SOHK and everyone else looking at it from a logical point of veiw.

[Asta Lapasta]

I do agree with some of what you say. Once WET invited 7th and warrior i just knew i couldn't be a part of that tribe anymore.

However i still think its quite bad that because of 1 or 2 members of WET, Phat has now made peace with Bush and left WET to be destroyed by Bush and SOHK. Doesn't seem like good allies at all their. Also WET council did appear to be split when i was still there mainly with a few people wanting to recruit warrior and go to war with SOHK and everyone else looking at it from a logical point of veiw.

Not to single you out, but this seems to be a common thing. We have done more for Wet then they have for us (Phat), and yet we get told that we are bad "allies." They never supported us, or offered to help sitting (even with a huge number advantage) yet we have.

It is, and has never been Phat's fault that Bush and Sohk have both ganged up on them. This is a result of poor decision making. Can not be put to blame on Phat, and putting the blame on Phat is just not accepting the causes of your actions.

By no means can Wet not bounce back from this. Will it take a lot of work, planning and maybe better communication? Yes. Is it impossible? No.

[stutterinsteve]

I do agree with some of what you say. Once WET invited 7th and warrior i just knew i couldn't be a part of that tribe anymore.

However i still think its quite bad that because of 1 or 2 members of WET, Phat has now made peace with Bush and left WET to be destroyed by Bush and SOHK. Doesn't seem like good allies at all their. Also WET council did appear to be split when i was still there mainly with a few people wanting to recruit warrior and go to war with SOHK and everyone else looking at it from a logical point of veiw.

You guys would have received multiple recruits from MM if your leaders didnt recruit warrior. But they did. Complained. So all the MM guys joined SOHK. We can still help you guys. But you have a guy leave your tribe and you complain about it being our faults when its clearly all his fault

And we can still help you guys against SOHK. Just not against BUSH

[Memory Lane]

LOL and after all phat flaming of -SWAT- not helping there allies it so just turns out you do sweet fa for yours.

Phat sat to snipe trains for WET for days. Phat supported WET. Phat took hundreds of villages from their ally's enemy.

I see nothing similar between -SWAT- and Phat in terms of how much help they provide an ally. At least when Phat says they are going to war, they actually do go to war.