Once again a thread flaming the Hawks in its title has been made. There's a big surprise!
As I see it there are two issues that seem to be at contention here.
1. The content within my address to my tribe within Hawks Forums.
2. Whether or not Sp.ag's account was hacked...and whether it was a Hawk who did it.
Firstly I will address the content I made within our own forum.
. Who said i used spies? This is displayed openly for anyone to see, heck how do i have a spy when i dont even log into my account?
The concept that you don't have a spy in our tribe is ridiculous. How else would you have obtained it? It was not public knowledge until you posted it here.
This is a quote from the forums inwhich i sent a mail to Lord Hawks to try and find a solution to the ongoing skirmish between our tribes while Morph! was around, i would like to point out that i never asked for a Truce, i asked for a solution,
You say i made a truce, heck i had to swallow some pride and find a solution to the increasing pressures i had from the east from the entrente as well as yourselves, I was hoping to create a NAP with you until E=MC decided on their actions and able to bide some time to allow us to push more support through to other front lines that looked ever increasing, as we in Morph! were aware of what was only a matter of time.
I received a message from you offering a truce. That you had to swallow your pride to do so...and your reasons for offering a truce are irrelevant to this discussion. The fact is you offered a truce...which is what I was making my tribe aware of.
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sP.Ag on 08.06. at 12:59
Grettings again Hawk.
I Understand we never developed a decent conversation last time round when i sent you a mail, however i feel its time to taken offical action on whats happening.
Ofcourse its obvious why whats been happening that you were prepared to obtain those players from our skirmish we had at any cost, and we in Morph! have come to terms about that, However the ongoing hostile nature to one another is becoming a little boring now dont you think?
It is clear both sides have lost alot of nukes, nobles and defensive power in this for such little so far and what i hope is the future. This from both our point of views is nothing more than a set back for our expansion else where, having to keep and an eye upon one another.
For this reason, enough beating around the bush so to speak, i would like to offer your Family an NAP Ofcourse clauses/agreements would have to become defined to one another so we know the NAP is on the same level at either end. However dont feel i will be offended if you turn it down, i am merely trying to find possible solutions to a ongoing situation that has done nothing but hinder us both in honesty.
Regards
Sp.aG
You are right that you did not say the word "truce"... you offered us a NAP and you did say "find possible solutions"...
However offering a NAP to a tribe you are fighting with constitutes a truce. This is mincing word though. So call it what you want.
Now lets take a look at the big picture:
1. For the past number of weeks The Hawks were engaged in a conflict with the #1 tribe in the world...everyone knows this...and not just any #1 tribe...but one composed of famous and illustrious TW players. Not exactly a position many tribes would want to find themselves in single handedly...or even in a coalition for that matter.
And we Hawk Knights were holding our own. I imagine even creating a bit of frustration for Morph! and possibly a bit of embarrassment...considering the length of time and lack of any significant progress made by the vaunted Morph!...but then that is a matter of conjecture...even for those who actually have all the facts. For our part I can say that we were happy that our position was good and we were in the process of achieving our objectives.
That is no disrespect to Sp.ag as a leader or the great players in Morph!, but rather a compliment to the Hawks.
2. Sp.ag offered a NAP which for all intents and purposes is a truce. I messaged him back that I would be willing to discuss it with him(albeit that the price would be high as stated in my address).
3. However the disband of Morph! happened before that conversation was able to take place.
So lets draw a straight line. The disbandment of Morph! is a bit too convenient. There are no coincidences. As I mentioned above we were happy with our progress and our position. The disbandment of Morph! actually takes away from what we were doing. I would have liked to see how things would have progressed over the coming weeks/months.
Firstly...No.
From your point, you thought you had won against Morph! ?
Stats show that Morph! were winning and that it was going quite well for Morph, also with HAWKS losing much more nukes. The sudden disband meant that the war could not of been justified in whether you have won or not in this tif.
You could say in "your eyes" that it was a ploy to save face, or you could say HAWKS wasn't going to win or weren't ever going to win.
Either way you do not have the right to decide who won, the war never finished and the most you could say it is a draw or Morph! was "winning".
What I said was that "the offer of truce should be counted as 'a victory' for the Hawks". I did not say "I thought we won"...
The stats do say Morph! was ahead in noblings against Hawks...true...by a hand full...which in tribes counting their villages by the thousands is meaningless...
As far as who lost more nukes...I would love to see you quantify that statement.
You might be right that I don't have the right to decide who won the conflict...never said that I did...but then who are you to say what rights I have posting in my own forum?
All I am saying is that I have the right to inform my tribe of events and give them a moral boost and congrats for a job well done as I see fit in my own forum.
Now moving on the the second major point of contention: whether or not Sp.ag's account was hacked or not...and whether it was a Hawk who did it.
@ Sp.ag...I can say I am truly sorry if your account was hacked. No player in this game should have to endure that. It is a cheating and criminal act. It is despicable.
I will state now that nobody in my organization had authorization to commit such a crime ever...and I have serious doubts that anyone in the Hawks even knows how to "hack" someones account.
First of All i would like to Point out that I have found evidence and i have evidence that a Player from HAWKS was infact part of Some log in attempts on my account, while the other IP was not located to any other accounts that played Tw, But after i saw this reply on the HAWKS forums i had to make this public,
I would like to see what proof you have that a Hawk was involved in the "Hacking" of your account. If you could prove it then the perpetrator will be dealt with.
Barring that proof however I find it extremely bad form for you to immediately accuse the Hawks for Morph!'s disbandment on account of hacking. Especially without proof. Even if you did have proof there was no reason for you to post my address on the public forum. Unless of course your intent was merely to flame Hawks...because you took it personally that I gave congrats to my players who participated in operations against Morph!...in my own forums...god forbid.
I don't know whether you account was hacked or not. But when you put it all together this all smacks of yet another PnP campaign designed to smear honorable and noble players in Hawks. I might also point out that it is unlikely that your account was hacked given that the hacker didn't choose to make all your mails and the secret council info of Morph public knowledge...any hacker who hates someone enough to disband and then keep control of an account for several days would do that stuff...
But that is a clever attempt to gain sympathy for Morph!(as if you needed it)...and also as a ploy to get your inactive members motivated to play again because they are outraged...after all the ones who were attacking us were so fed up by the lack of support in Morph they left for another tribe, which would have been bad PnP for Morph if the "hacking" had not happened a half hour later...because we never got attacked by the bulk of Morph players...
This leads me further to believe that EliteHawk's words that they had nothing to do with the attempts and hacking on my account are a lie, its rather sad to see that HAWKS believe that its a victory and that they made us disband, Please, let me remind you who was winning at the time? you guys tried multiple times of mass offensive's against us with minimal success.
There is no reason for you to call EliteHawk a liar...and your tribes offensives against us were as equally unsuccessful.
I myself do not wish to any longer be associated with a world filled with players such as some are in HAWKS, however Pimpf and Eastparks i wish you all the best i do not see why you are still in a tribe that would go so low. I have my account back but have set it to delete, as i said i am not remaining in a world with such people.
Its a Game yes i know hence why i have not really kicked up a fuss about things as i wont allow such a thing to affect my in RL.
I certainly hope that you don't quit after all this. And I stand behind my statement that the Hawks had nothing to do with you account being Hacked. We stood nothing to gain from allowing your tribe to just disappear. As I mentioned above I think it would shaped up to be an interesting contest. And I would have listened to what you had to say about the truce offer... You Sp.ag are a good leader...you just need to contain the negative campaigning a bit.
Lord Hawk IX