Well hello there everybody!
Let me start by saying how absolutely wonderful it is to return to TW after a week-long break forced upon you by parents when your teachers fail to properly update grades, bestowing bad marks upon you, then failing to ever fix the grades, lengthening the grounding.
How can you come here and state that die. members need to learn and support the villages they take and how to time nobles when you are clearly being nobled up.
Wisescarab has every right to state that. He is a 400k point player being attacked by 4 different Die. players, each with at least two times as many villages as him. On top of that, you convinced your NAPs, los1, to attack him as well (2 players). So that makes 6 people you have focusing on one 400k player.
Despite this, he has refused all tribal stacking, all support, all sitting, any sort of assistance whatsoever. He realizes that he might lose all of the villages on his account, but rather than tie up a bunch of the tribes support, he is going to fight tooth and nail until he cannot fight any longer, and then he will fight some more. I am proud to have him fighting by my side with that sort of attitude. He has shown reports of the attacks that are incoming to his villages, and shown the results of his defending. He has killed upwards of 60 nobles from Die., and done a fair bit of recapping. This is all by himself, squeezing in time online when and where he can find it to defend his account. If you look at his twstats page, this isn't his first world. Of everybody in NADs, I believe that he has a fair amount of reasons why he is able to say that.
Now why do I not simply kick him to attempt to save stats? Because I do not care about the stats from week to week, day to day. I post them here, but you will never see me brag about the stats, they are typically posted to bring closure to a post of mine.
That covers Wisescarab.
Yes congrats to Phoenix, I mean NADs, on destroying Die.
How can you expect this war to be taken seriously, Pajuno has already dismantled Die and you guys are just exploiting it. If people want to find out if Die are dead yet, they will visit the other thread.
Keep in mind that Archon holds no title within my tribe, and his views are his solely. I don't believe I have once stated that I (or my tribe) wish to take credit for the destruction of Die. To quote myself in a much earlier post:
asalamalakum said:
I gave my word to T-W-C recently that we would not declare on them, I uphold my word. Both BD and T-W-C have a vested interest in my tribe's participation on their respective side of their war, we wish to remain neutral in that conflict. It would be a real low blow to give somebody your word that you won't attack them, then within 2 weeks turn around and attack them. That isn't my style. Die.'s most skilled edge is the one facing us, so we felt it would be polite and proper to declare first, then start launching attacks. You probably won't see me posting a ton of stats here in the forums as I didn't make this thread to brag, but merely to state our intentions. I apologize if I am incorrect in assuming that the PnP boards are for posting your war intentions...
I have posted stats in 3/8 or 37.5% of my posts in this thread, so I may have contradicted what I originally stated in that aspect, and I will admit that, although I have tried not to use stats as a bragging point, rather to simply post them. As I stated before, I posted the declaration as a courtesy to Die. and to World 30 to convey the intentions of my tribe. With the exception of BD, whose style is to never declare, and the "Silent War" between PMP and T-W-C, wars are typically posted on the forums. I posted a declaration before any attacks began.
ROFL!!!
The very fact you can claim that Phoenix is a non related factor in your war is an absolute joke! I dont need to post a wall of text to hammer home that point, everybody with a brain cell in W30 knew Phoenix were warring Die and winning convincingly. You expect people to believe that wasn't a factor in deciding to declare on them while they were warring and losing elsewhere.
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Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Players:
Side 2:
Tribes: Die.
Players:
Timeframe: Forever
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 679
Side 2: 188
Difference: 491
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 6,270,869
Side 2: 1,620,321
Difference: 4,650,548
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Those stats are being very generous to you, because if I cared enough to post walls of text and research the players in Die and Kill at the date of declaration I wouldn't be surprised to see the stats nearing the 1000 mark! I can understand coincidences happen, but give me a break, you coincidentally declared after Phoenix have been warring Die for 6months!!
Maybe your coincidental move to hit Die while they were busy on another front can be replicated on YOUR other front! So keep it up and we will see how good NADs like a taste of their own medicine.
Chris, Brutii is not trying to say that Phoenx has no relation to the war, but rather that they have no pertinence to us. He is merely trying to address the point that NADs and Phoenx are in no way coordinating. There have been no timed OPs, no coordinated strikes on players, no forum sharing, etc. etc. It is a well-known fact that Die. is Dying. due to the work of Phoenx and Phoenx alone. To correct you, though, Kill and Die. declared on Phoenx rather than the other way around, which makes their current victory over Die. all that much more impressive.
And really, no duh that it isn't a "coincidence" that Phoenx happened to be fighting Die., and doing a good job; at the time that Phoenx and Die. began their fight, we had an alliance with Die. Furthermore, back when the war began, I was still a peon within that failure of a family tribe, *RS. Since then, tribes have reformed (NADs). We went from having 3 tribes in a family covering 2.5Ks to having one tribe of 18 players covering 2.5 Ks. Our first goal was to eat up everything that was within our territories/circles that we had left behind. We couldn't exactly declare on a large tribe at that point, we were vastly outnumbered and outclassed. So we had to let the world progress.
The role of the duke is to ensure the success of your tribe, your friends, your constituents (however your intribe politics are organized). Every duke has their own style and tactics to ensuring their success. What they are required to do is different for every tribe and is influenced by a countless number of factors, each that vary from tribe to tribe. As duke of T-W-C, you have your east up against the rim/OH! (who aren't anything to worry about), and your south is up against the rim/PMP (who you are walking all over from the looks of things). You have diplomacy with a number of tribes around you, or if not official diplomatic relations, then good working relations with dukes of large tribes. Your size is different, your player count, size, skill are different than ours, so what I have to do is different from what you need to do. You keep your tribe running smoothly and effectively, I commend you for that, and I try to do my best for mine. I unfortunately only have a 1 K border to my south against the rim, and am surrounded by the rank 7 tribe, rank 4, rank 2, and rank 3 tribes. If I need to take advantage of Die having focus on Phoenx to assist the success of my tribe, then I will do it. You did the same thing with your war against KBC, you sent a Propaganda mail to their entire tribe promising them safety for leaving KBC within 24 hours. You did what you had to do to ensure your success against, and I see no fault in that. I could have mailed Die, given them a 3 day warning to move support around, but that would have benefited Phoenx, and as stated before, we aren't in this war to assist them, we are trying to achieve our own goals and end results. Just to reiterate, we are not coordinating with Phoenx in any way at this time (shared forums, coordinated attacks, timed ops). If one of my players personally wishes to forward reports to Phoenx for whateve reason, that is outside of my control.
cshipley said:
If I made a forum declaration on Die tomorrow :icon_rolleyes:, saying please dont mention Phoenx or NADs and came onto pnp posting heroic war stats :lol:, you really think people will think, "good job T-W-C, you really showed those Die players!". Of course not. They will always know who did the hard work, who the opportunists were and who really deserves to be out here bragging about war caps and posting up personal war stats.
Archon is the one person who is allowed to post his own personal stats against Die.; his conquers have come from abscindo, who happened to be one of the main talkers/pnp'ers for Die. when dealing with Phoenx. He often made allusions to his skill, and his wish to be involved in the war, and while we are not Phoenx, Archon brought the fight to abscindo, and is currently up 44-0. Personally, I would not brag about the stats if I was up 100-0, but we all have a different set of character traits, and if he wishes to boast about his personal success (which has been commendable thusfar), he is free to do so.
This is funny you expect us to believe this nonsense you was in talks with phoenx a few weeks before you declared i bet my money on it that is why you was recruiting players around our members to use them in your war with us and players don't like to be used.Who are now good members of die. as they so what NADs was really like.
To be honest, we weren't in talks with Phoenx regarding warring you guys. I got a number of mails forwarded to me from my players with your leaders offering safe haven once we started warring you.
Actually, I recruited the players along k83/93/94 while our tribes were experiencing good relations. If we could have secured ks 93/94, that would have provided us with a few other backline K's to send support to should we have gotten in a war. However, myself and the other leaders of NADs decided to go after Die. Mavfan cut tail and ran to you guys before talking to me; the rest followed their PA. If I notice correctly, Mavfan left Die. already... I don't know the circumstances too clearly as I have been gone, but at face value it appears that he was not completely satisfied with your tribe either. I don't know, I just returned to the game after being grounded for nearly a week.
I would like to close by commending Die. on evening out the stats over the past week, hopefully this war continues to be fun and enjoyable to all parties involved. It appears your temporary recent promotion of Zubizarus and Ungar has proven beneficial.
Respectfully,
Scott
PS: sorry for the wall of text, I have been gone a week and it takes a bunch of catching up.