@ wanderer:
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Paj: I do consider whatever tribe is left standing or at least the most dominant tribe near the end. Really isn't that why we all started playing this game? I suppose focus can change some when you know you can not possibly win the "world', so we choose a lesser victory. For you beating Ram is good, but that's you. Do you play monopoly to just get Boardwalk and the railroads? There is some serious personal hate going on here. Kinda like Frasrya(butchered that probably) and shiply. Now neither play.
No, dude. The last tribe standing wins the "marathon" award. Let me draw you a comparison...
I left world 6 after many of the biggest names, many of the best tribes. What was i left with? Not many enemies.... no one i KNEW in pnp.. etc etc./
I returned a few months ago, just to look around. I do not recognize MOST of the players still playing. Do these players left over deserve more credit than any of the tribes that actually FOUGHT the best w6 had to offer?
Tribalwars admins have an end game solution finally> It just ends the world, as there wouldnt be enough premium users to afford it open. Sure, you get credit for it... but "the meek inherit the earth"... BH is the only counter i have to my argument for this. They still have some of the best players left in w30.
However, that being said..... Would you rather be the tribe that ends the world,
a. when the forums are dead, and all personalities have gone
b. 90% of the best players are dead and gone...
c. Gonna have to recruit some unsavory characters to finish the world i believe...
Personally, i prefer to establish my tribes dominance early, beat the best the world had to offer, (BD) and finish with the largest family. (ram)
You can say what you want about my leadership style and tribal goals, but most of Phoenx was tired of TW before we even started this world... Hence we planned this exit ALL ALONG. Nothing you can say will make me stay and endure the number of senseless nukes/nobles needed to "end the world".
THe best players have come and gone already.
What victory do you claim?? WHO will be here to care besides you and your tribe? Dont lie, most of us play this gmae for personal gratification, and pnp personalities usually play for their egos... Who will be here to rub in their face?
As far as a duke making sure all "situations" are handled, what if mark-e or bullmastiff disagreed with your war with Ram over recruitment. Would you have not fought with us then to make them happy? What if they left because you went ahead with it anyway? What would you do? It seems to me you can't make everyone happy all the time, you have to do what is best for the silent majority and not the loud few.
Bullshit. If there is an issue, mark and bull are both intelligent enough to either open their mouths if needed, or keep it shut. They and i have worked together for two years with bull, and four years or so with mark. There is a level of trust there that i believe is unrivaled on w30. (maybe parm and wc)
Now, the thing of it all is.. if i say we can beat Ram and BH... my tribe would believe me. (not saying i can, just using an example) the difference between rammites and Phoenx members... is their belief, trust, and loyalty to me. You will never have that karma, because you play dirty. Dirty thoughts, lead to dirty members, leads to disloyalty, bactstabbing, and usurping...
But hey, dont listen to me... i have only dealt with people every day of my life for 30 years, and i have only led two tribes to world glory and respect... And i never needed an academy to do so....
I see a lot of posturing from both tribes you haven't reached our core(us), or you(ram) have reached our core now and here is where all our(phoenx) good players are so it's hopeless for us(ram). Do you really believe that if 1/2 our members weren't fighting in the NE and used those troops on you that you would hold as much territory as you do? I may not be the best player here but I am not the worst and I can use my eyes. Let's say on the low side we weren't using 10,000 villages against phoenx, 7500 defense 2500 offense we'll assume we're turtles. It's a numbers game. It's not like a boxing ring where the smaller guy can bob and weave and not take a direct punch. If we had chosen to we could have crushed your front lines and stacked the hell out of ours. Maybe you could have sniped some or renobled a few but it would be only a matter of time before you couldn't maintain the level of activity you would need to constantly defend. I have a lot of respect for how well you guys have done and continue to do, but please don't make it out like you can beat anything.
ITs not posturing. Its Nads recruits never lived to their large mouthed billings. there isnt much i can do about that, that was against my normal procedures to recruit that many foreign players at once.. i usually meld them in one by one or in pairs... But that is another story. The fact is that now you are against real Phoenx. The ones that have been with me two years, the ones that have stayed up day and night to sit accounts and fight Ram...
Dont worry, you guys were never smart enough to
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It's a numbers game. It's not like a boxing ring where the smaller guy can bob and weave and not take a direct punch. If we had chosen to we could have crushed your front lines and stacked the hell out of ours. Maybe you could have sniped some or renobled a few but it would be only a matter of time before you couldn't maintain the level of activity you would need to constantly defend.
You had me on the ropes, catted to hell and back.. and you never finished me. You HAVE tried your best. We have rebuilt millions of points in catted villages. We are still defending Kevmaster to the last troop. You cannot beat us, you never had the tools even before Decide war.... YOUR LEADERSHIP JUST ISNT SMART ENOUGH.
I'll make you a deal. Talk to all the other tribes we are fighting and get them to stop for 2 months and we will fight just you during that time and let's see who has gained the most ground. Not sure if we can "bet" anything but mail me in game to work out the stakes.
Hey mush mouth.... why does ram always forget the two-three months they had 4 tribes against us?? Why does it always come down to "woe is ram, we got too many enemies"...
Did you hear us bitch about the odds? No. you heard us talking you up, so that when we do beat you... we look that much better. We could beat you, 1 vs 4 as it were.. and we have!! Right up until Ram and drift both disbanded, Phoenx had a forever lead on BOTH. And lets not forget the 100 or so villages that ram snagged from Phoenx prior to the war. (in forever stats and fraser) That was 2-3 months of your "numbers" vs our "elite"... and what happened? You dont have enough "numbers" any more to beat us in a fair fight.. actually, Ram has NEVER had enough numbers to beat Phoenx on its own... 1 v 1. But you guys bring your little sisters D2 and drift along... it hasnt helped much.
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@ EC:
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No Pajuno, winning the world is not relative. When a game is started, there are terms to win the game. In TW's case it is a tribe or alliance conquering 100% of the world. When this world ends, there will be no 'World won by Phoenx' under the forum title. If you beat RAM, you will only gain a fulfilment that is great enough to say goodbye to world 30, leaving with your head high.
No, sir. winning the world is making your mark as the baddest ass little tribe ever. You wont likely forget Phoenx for a very long time.. and i doubt Gicusan will forget me ever. My point has been made, you all know who we are.. and whether or not anyone will admit it... you all aspire your tribe to be like ours... :icon_wink:
But in all seriousness.. winning the world is besting the best players in the game RIGHT NOW> not two years from now when all the best people are gone. (again, damn bh is the only hitch on this argument)
That is quite an ignorant statement Pajuno. The people that will stick around to the end of the world are the most resilient and persistent players, not ones that quit at the first sign of boredom. Those people find other intuitive ways of keeping intrest, which are all great qualities that I admire.
They are the marathon runners.. does not mean they are the best. Just look at MF.. Worst tribe from the start until now.. their fate was decided by BD and co not having enough nobles to eat them with worthy enemies on the field.. Now, do you think they deserve to have their names counted among the best of w30? I certainly dont. and im quite sure many of hte players that have left this world will agree.....
I believe your statement was ignorant. You have not argued that the remaining players are the best. You have argued the point that they are most deserving. If they last four years on a world to see it ended, then yes, i agree.. they are most
deserving. They are, however, NOT the best players from w30. Period.[/spoil]
I will rebuild something better and more honourable.
This is why noob will have respect from w30, (enemies and friends alike) and Karma never will.
ANd wanderer, found another thing.. Players that hit beaker and parm... Hmmm.. a member of phoenx (alright maybe one) would never disobey an order, nor would they in their drunkest times instigate a fight that I did not authorize. So maybe its not just leadership having a problem, maybe your members are just bad tribemates...
