HaV!

[DeletedUser33413]

Yeah i think so too ,if susie was in charge of MOJO and Wisdom instead of Shinra and Inty , everything would be much harder ,and we would have much more honor in game ...

You can say what you want about Inty, but without him Wisdom would arguably not have got so far in the first place. He was truly ruthless in his aims for his tribe and frankly thats at least one good thing he had going for him where his tribe was concerned. Do i agree with that type of leadership, no. However it did work, you cant say it didnt as Wisdom controlled a fair proportion of the world at one point.

 

[DeletedUser]

You can say what you want about Inty, but without him Wisdom would arguably not have got so far in the first place. He was truly ruthless in his aims for his tribe and frankly thats at least one good thing he had going for him where his tribe was concerned. Do i agree with that type of leadership, no. However it did work, you cant say it didnt as Wisdom controlled a fair proportion of the world at one point.

I agree that his ruthless, expansionist diplomacy has worked fine in the first half of the game, but it's the main reason of his and his tribe's fall as well. So after all, it wasn't an approach which stand the test of time.

Still, with all his personal flaws, Wisdom has been at least an active opponent (mainly due to his great potential as a propagandist). While we didn't like him, at least it's been mostly fun fighting against the "brainwashed Wisdom hordes" (apart of the cases when he was trying to use out-of-game tricks instead of fighting in-game). :icon_wink:

The old Wisdom he led was being a "perfect" hostile (and probably an awful ally for the same reasons).

 

[DeletedUser43243]

I agree that his ruthless, expansionist diplomacy has worked fine in the first half of the game, but it's the main reason of his and his tribe's fall as well. So after all, it wasn't an approach which stand the test of time.

Still, with all his personal flaws, Wisdom has been at least an active opponent (mainly due to his great potential as a propagandist). While we didn't like him, at least it's been mostly fun fighting against the "brainwashed Wisdom hordes" (apart of the cases when he was trying to use out-of-game tricks instead of fighting in-game). :icon_wink:

The old Wisdom he led was being a "perfect" hostile (and probably an awful ally for the same reasons).

You worded that perfectly and i simply can not add anything that is not on a personal level. I certainly would not 'voice' my personal opinion against Inty here but i probably could right a small book on that relationship!
:icon_twisted:

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah i think so too ,if susie was in charge of MOJO and Wisdom instead of Shinra and Inty , everything would be much harder ,and we would have much more honor in game ...

I laughed at them two being put one next to each other. I imagined two troll faces one next to each other.

Hai Susie.Treachery/abandonment is an important word on this world.
Thanks darknight. The other pics included the squirrel actually escaping and climbing a tree.But HaV or whatever name it holds now, yeah,their trees have been burned.
And, does this merge mean they will actually try to fight?

 

[DeletedUser]

While the numbers don't look good, they are very misleading. For whatever reason, a large number of players switched sides. A quick look shows 13 players switching sides:

TAO took in:
JJFurr
10034
stevenbrandes
Ampra
PhatBass
Dundane

BA took in:
cdm5519
Melalina
ice0808wong

13th took in:
BLOCKTEN
JWGT
phylor deathstalker
sachitpathak

Those 13 players had 116,520,892 points when they joined their new tribes. Those players currently have 151,386,447 points. Included in those numbers are over 2,000 villages that those players took from BoH, HaV, or Wisdom. That is a huge swing in points (over 300,000,000) based only on them switching sides. While the outcome might not have changed, the numbers definitely look a lot worse than they would have if those players didn't switch sides. The numbers of players who quit because of losses to those players will also not be known.

 

[DeletedUser]

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Included in those numbers are over 2,000 villages that those players took from BoH, HaV, or Wisdom.

Congrats to all these members for being able to expand so well even though they all have been recruited directly from hostile areas! Either they are very good, or their opponents were extremely awful! (probably both

Thank you for also reminding us to the fact why BoH's side is a lost cause, despite starting the war having the upper hand.

The whole whining over these 13 players, by the way, is the same that we could do about every single tribe which chose Wisdom's side in the opening of the war and since then (100I, EturgK, etc), right? I beg your pardon that our recruits and members aren't useless like you just implicitly pictured that the majority on your side are... but that might be rather related to either them, or their leadership, as you know.

Next time blame the game for losing as it allows us to take your villages... how unfair, isn't it?

 

[DeletedUser]

This from one of your posts in another topic:

As a celebration over losing Inty, holy patron of Objective Facts, let me simply post some past and present in-game statistics, without further comments, about the initial and current state of the World War.

If you want to argue, you're welcome to do so - in any of the many war argument topics. Keep this thread for statistics, though.

Figures only consist related top20 tribes!


War of the World
United Western Tyrannies vs United Eastern Tyrannies

Status on October 16, 2009

• Declaration from 13th & [BA] against Wisdom Family
• Brotherhood attacks [BA] clusters

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Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
1 	[BA] 	213.377.429 	323.090.663 	89 	32851 
6 	*np* 	144.470.097 	166.693.053 	57 	17098 
7 	Tao 	133.451.630 	185.692.659 	83 	18879 
9 	13th 	123.778.871 	148.105.358 	67 	14914 
10 	TITANS 	119.592.253 	146.051.921 	79 	14438 
11 	*np*A 	71.916.975 	95.447.919 	94 	9673 
13 	13th. 	47.027.073 	52.686.844 	77 	5482 
19 	*np*AX 	14.294.126 	14.294.126 	40 	1438

Total:114.773 villages, 586 players

Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
2 	Wisdom 	188.856.695 	267.673.447 	85 	26837 
3 	BoM 	176.616.549 	229.782.608 	92 	22823 
4 	Wise S 	169.127.595 	229.870.491 	82 	23205 
5 	BoS 	151.527.159 	172.510.159 	60 	17289 
8 	BoK 	126.248.103 	161.059.177 	83 	16404 
12 	EturgK	71.756.059 	78.107.677 	70 	7879 
15 	Beer 	32.807.684 	32.807.684 	11 	3308 
17 	100I 	23.050.518 	23.050.518 	32 	2346 
18 	BoC 	19.744.021 	19.744.021 	41 	2059

Total: 122.150 villages, 556 players
[/SPOIL]Sum: 114.773 villages, 586 players vs 122.150 villages, 556 players

Status on March 30, 2010

• ROMA formed, NAPd to United Eastern Tyrannies
• 13th. was merging into 13th
• BoM is reverted back to MOJO
• Beer is changed to FTW
• BoC is no more

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Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
2 	[BA] 	273.359.346 	402.655.710 	85 	40994 
4 	*np* 	186.530.001 	194.324.118 	48 	19956 
5 	13th	176.001.121 	203.037.056 	81 	20624 
6 	Tao 	167.446.050 	215.273.492 	80 	21863 
9 	TITANS 	105.131.967 	105.131.967 	39 	10363 
10 	*np*A 	100.780.669 	114.955.227 	71 	11548 
16 	SA 	7.306.206 	7.306.206 	15 	771 
17 	[RA] 	6.365.162 	6.365.162 	7 	673 
20 	*np*AX 	4.351.333 	4.351.333 	7 	413

Total: 127.205 villages, 433 players

Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
1 	Wisdom 	284.651.070 	372.085.530 	74 	37265 
3 	BoS 	217.833.195 	253.587.600 	54 	25598 
7 	MOJO 	164.203.137 	170.718.268 	50 	17318 
8 	Wise S 	139.843.704 	139.843.704 	33 	14054 
11 	EturgK 	88.890.498 	89.531.841 	47 	9037 
12 	BoK 	82.201.363 	82.695.910 	45 	8422 
13 	100 	69.123.037 	69.123.037 	31 	6809 
(14 	ROMA 	42.377.899 	42.377.899 	9 	4095 
19 	FTW 	4.746.255 	4.746.255 	2 	483

123.081 villages, 345 players
[/SPOIL]Sum: 127.205 villages, 433 players vs Total: 123.081 villages (4095 in ROMA), 345 players (9 in ROMA)

Status on September 21, 2010

• MOJO has been destroyed
• FTW was merging into Wisdom
• np*AX was merging into *np*
• FTW was merging into Wisdom Family
• TCHOP is founded
• ROMA was changing side
• Wise S was merging into Wisdom
• EturgK was merging into Wisdom
• Wisdom was splitting into HaV and Wisdom
• Wisdom was merging into HaV

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Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
1	[BA]	384.014.527	487.017.439	68	49 686
3	*np*	279.494.914	283.206.315	44	29 004
5	13th	249.679.602	268.410.313	66	27 452
6	Tao	237.322.463	249.905.128	50	25 348
7	TITANS	121.621.762	121.621.762	33	12 165
8	*np*A	95.430.573	97.760.863	46	9 764
9	ROMA	92.119.533	92.119.533	15	9 219
12	SA	14.039.902	14.039.902	11	1 424
18	[RA]	3.659.885	3.659.885	2	397
20	TCHOP	2.243.983	2.243.983	4	225

Total: 164,684 villages, 271 players

Rank	Tribe	Points #40	Total points	Members	Villages
2	HaV	381.115.880	502.232.927	79	50 548
4	BoS	261.553.303	291.460.683	68	29 383
10	Wisdom	81.630.448	81.630.448	16	7 898
11	BoK	29.131.940	29.131.940	7	3 044
13	100	7.674.576	7.674.576	13	758
14	JHF	6.130.211	6.130.211	1	626
15	EturgK	5.990.052	5.990.052	2	593
16	Fire	4.730.024	4.730.024	1	508
17	AIO	4.551.813	4.551.813	1	452
19	LBS	2.776.726	2.776.726	1	265

Total: 94,075 villages, 189 players
[/SPOIL]Sum: 164,684 villages (9219 in ROMA), 271 players (15 in ROMA) vs 94,075 villages, 189 players

As you can see, the war was a lot closer when we had the upper hand. We had 7,377 more villages at the start. That is only a 6% village advantage. It is purely propaganda for you to imply that we had overwhelming odds when the war started.

We lost 21,000+ villages when ROMA and most of MOJO switched sides. We also lost another 2,771 villages from 4 players that defected who were in either Wisdom or 100. That is a 47,000 village swing from our side to your side within 6 months of the war starting.

When BoS merged with HaV, BoH gained 93,000,000 points worth of villages. At the same time, 5 of BoS's top players joined enemy tribes. Those 5 players combined for 62,000,000 points. That is another swing of 124,000,000 points. Defections have bulked up the numbers a lot more than actual conquers.

Your side now has more than a 3-1 village advantage. You should be winning, and a lot faster than you are.

 

[DeletedUser33413]

13th took in:
BLOCKTEN
JWGT
phylor deathstalker
sachitpathak

While the outcome might not have changed, the numbers definitely look a lot worse than they would have if those players didn't switch sides. The numbers of players who quit because of losses to those players will also not be known.

I can only speak for the 13th but taking in these players was a huge risk for us and without causing offense if we had not taken them in then we would have eventually taken them out.

I think it would have taken a long time to remove them from the south but eventually we would have succeeded. However if you guys had actually helped them instead of leaving them out to dry then they could potentially be taking villages for your side now. Hopefully we have shown you that when supported by team mates and friends in the way that we do in the 13th people can really thrive as players and actually enjoy playing the game again on a world that has become slow and stagnant.

Its great to have these new friends with us, as a product of Wisdoms lack of moral support for their members.

On a side note this is possibly why you lost MOJO and ROMA to the other side?

 

[DeletedUser]

I can only speak for the 13th but taking in these players was a huge risk for us and without causing offense if we had not taken them in then we would have eventually taken them out.

I think it would have taken a long time to remove them from the south but eventually we would have succeeded. However if you guys had actually helped them instead of leaving them out to dry then they could potentially be taking villages for your side now. Hopefully we have shown you that when supported by team mates and friends in the way that we do in the 13th people can really thrive as players and actually enjoy playing the game again on a world that has become slow and stagnant.

Its great to have these new friends with us, as a product of Wisdoms lack of moral support for their members.

On a side note this is possibly why you lost MOJO and ROMA to the other side?

I have never been involved in diplomacy, so I am not sure why some tribes and players turned on us. If anyone ever asked me for troops, I sent as much as I could. I always thought ROMA turned on us because they still disliked us from our war with MOJO. Whatever the reason, it doesn't matter now.

 

[DeletedUser]

This from one of your posts in another topic:
As you can see, the war was a lot closer when we had the upper hand. We had 7,377 more villages at the start. That is only a 6% village advantage.

6% advantage and the regional situation (a totally surrounded Corridor, a several Ks thick MOJO buffer) together have been a major advantage, enough to make your side boasting on a weekly basis how East is going to destroy the whole south-western region in a matter of weeks (if you wouldn't remember, ask Bashers or Jeho, the rest of your speakers have been either banned [Oxcy] or deleted [Inty, babyteeth] in the meantime). Now either you were totally delusional and were just spreading cheap propaganda back then, or you're doing it now to make it less shameful that you became the small dog so easily.

We lost 21,000+ villages when ROMA and most of MOJO switched sides. We also lost another 2,771 villages from 4 players that defected who were in either Wisdom or 100. That is a 47,000 village swing from our side to your side within 6 months of the war starting.

An advice: don't lie just below a quoted war status report. Let me re-quote:

When ROMA was still listed on your side:

Sum: 127.205 villages, 433 players vs Total: 123.081 villages (4095 in ROMA), 345 players (9 in ROMA)

After they switched side:

Sum: 164,684 villages (9219 in ROMA), 271 players (15 in ROMA) vs 94,075 villages, 189 players

That is -9219 villages at most, hardly 21000+, and thus hardly a 47000 swing. Also, you forget their location again, as half of their territory has been surrounded by Brotherhood and Wisdom, while being several Ks away from the bulk of western tribes.

(and just to clarify: I don't say that location should make scores more or less worthy in a war stat; but I do say that your scores should have been a lot better during the months due to the extremely easy positioning in all the major situations, including ROMA's departure, or the kick-off situation at the start. It's like a world class team wouldn't even pass the qualifying matches. Unexpected and disappointing if they are indeed world class... and stupid excuses instead of admitting the real mistakes are just making it worse.)

Your side now has more than a 3-1 village advantage.

Thank you for respecting our great achievement. Wasn't easy, given the starting situation and all the regional difficulties, but honestly, like always, it couldn't have happened without your help!

You should be winning, and a lot faster than you are.

Blame yourself (remember the topic starting reason?). It should be a bit more entertaining for that, but given you don't cross a thing to make it harder, whatever pace we choose seems enough. An already dead horse won't run anywhere.

 

[DeletedUser]

An advice: don't lie just below a quoted war status report. Let me re-quote:

When ROMA was still listed on your side:


After they switched side:


That is -9219 villages at most, hardly 21000+, and thus hardly a 47000 swing. Also, you forget their location again, as half of their territory has been surrounded by Brotherhood and Wisdom, while being several Ks away from the bulk of western tribes.

MOJO had 17318 villages when they split from BoS. At that time, ROMA had 4,095. That is where I got 21,000 from. They also weren't surrounded, they had allies to their north and west.

 

[DeletedUser]

MOJO had 17318 villages when they split from BoS. At that time, ROMA had 4,095. That is where I got 21,000 from. They also weren't surrounded, they had allies to their north and west.

If I were you, I'd immediately stop creating "stats" this way. MOJO never "split", even after the name change; nor they ever joined to the West. When ROMA split, the other half of their players went to self-made tribes (and were being hunted down by West) or joined BH or you, then Susie closed their tribe. Pretty low propaganda or your memory doesn't serve you well I'm afraid, but either way, your numbers are unreal. I'm also sure that Susie (and the few other survivors) are "happy" to see that Inty's heritage about calling her/them a traitor never gets old, regardless of what did they truly do or how much they were really being hunted in the past months.

With friends like you.....

 

[DeletedUser]

If I were you, I'd immediately stop creating "stats" this way. MOJO never "split", even after the name change; nor they ever joined to the West. When ROMA split, the other half of their players went to self-made tribes (and were being hunted down by West) or joined BH or you, then Susie closed their tribe. Pretty low propaganda or your memory doesn't serve you well I'm afraid, but either way, your numbers are unreal. I'm also sure that Susie (and the few other survivors) are "happy" to see that Inty's heritage about calling her/them a traitor never gets old, regardless of what did they truly do or how much they were really being hunted in the past months.

With friends like you.....

You are either lying, or your memory doesn't serve you. 8 of MOJO's top 10 players joined either BA, ROMA,TAO, or in the case of Shinra, gifted his villages to TAO. RPG deleted shortly after joining Wisdom. That makes 1 of MOJO's top 10 players that didn't switch sides and didn't delete. Out of the top 20 players, only 4 didn't delete or switch sides. Out of the top 40 players, 9 stayed in BoS or BoH. I am not trying to minimize the contributions of those who remained loyal to BoS, but you are insane if you think that 1/2 of MOJO's players stayed in BoS or formed their own tribes. In terms of points, The players who stayed in BoS totaled 28,152,168 points. The total points of the players who joined BA/ROMA/TAO or gave them their villages was 122,041,091. That is over 12,000 villages that switched sides. Sorry, your propaganda = Fail.

I have some more stats for you. Let's look at barbs nobled since the war started:

BA 19,600 barbs nobled
TAO 9,375 barbs nobled
13th 9,126 barbs nobled

That is 38,000 barbs. That is a lot more than what you've taken from BoH. That is also a lot more than BoH have nobled, and you made a big deal out of that number. Even though you are winning, you still have to resort to misrepresenting the numbers.

 

[killergoon=-]

tony u are being a naive moron.....

 

[DeletedUser]

Tony,

• half of those barbs are ex-BoH members, so blame yourself & review the first post of this topic. If you wouldn't be that useless as an opponent, we wouldn't need to take that many barbs from you. Kind of a talk the talk vs walk the walk scene.
• that 21,000 villages suddenly melted to 12,000, that 47,000 is nowhere now, and you talk about lying, propaganda and misinterpreting numbers? Ten thousands are randomly flying in a matter of two posts distance, it's a joke, really.
• This whole method of even adding deleted players to our numbers just to boast the scores or to prove how treacherous those bastards were is truly sick. I guess you lost your mind along with your face a few months ago.

Man, fight back, and shut up, you're like a group of sad, old women! DoH!



ps: Since the war started, we ([BA]) have taken 38,350 villages. Do the math...

 

[DeletedUser]

Tony,

• half of those barbs are ex-BoH members, so blame yourself & review the first post of this topic. If you wouldn't be that useless as an opponent, we wouldn't need to take that many barbs from you. Kind of a talk the talk vs walk the walk scene.
• that 21,000 villages suddenly melted to 12,000, that 47,000 is nowhere now, and you talk about lying, propaganda and misinterpreting numbers? Ten thousands are randomly flying in a matter of two posts distance, it's a joke, really.
• This whole method of even adding deleted players to our numbers just to boast the scores or to prove how treacherous those bastards were is truly sick. I guess you lost your mind along with your face a few months ago.

Man, fight back, and shut up, you're like a group of sad, old women! DoH!



ps: Since the war started, we ([BA]) have taken 38,350 villages. Do the math...

You posted these numbers:

Status on March 30, 2010
MOJO 164.203.137 170.718.268 50 17318
ROMA 42.377.899 42.377.899 9 4095

That is 21,413 villages that were in MOJO or ROMA. When MOJO disbanded in May, 2010, 28,152,168 points worth of villages stayed in BoS or went to Wisdom. That is less than 3,000 villages that remained. That is still 18,000+ villages that were no longer in BoS when MOJO disbanded. 18,000 is a lot closer to 21,000 than it is the 9,000 you claim.

You are also wrong about the barbs. The war between BA & Wisdom was declared on Oct. 16, 2009. Since that date BA has taken 19628. I am not sure where you got 38,350 from. Please get your numbers right and then get back to me.

 

[netjakdim]

I still very much enjoy the banter between MM and our new Inty.
I however am a bit dissappointed about refering to the guys that joined
13th as traitors. I might present to you in this fact that the real traitor
might have actually been babyteeth in this case. I might not know all
of the details but was privileged to some of the info and saw that it
was the treachorous actions taken by 100I leadership that caused the
split amongst their group to begin with. That probably caused more
of their members than the ones that eventually joined us some loyalty
issues to their family. I would dare say that they 4 that joined us were
probably not the entirety that would have if they would have been given
the chance alot sooner before they got so fed up and decided to quit.

 

[DeletedUser]

I still very much enjoy the banter between MM and our new Inty.
I however am a bit dissappointed about refering to the guys that joined
13th as traitors. I might present to you in this fact that the real traitor
might have actually been babyteeth in this case. I might not know all
of the details but was privileged to some of the info and saw that it
was the treachorous actions taken by 100I leadership that caused the
split amongst their group to begin with. That probably caused more
of their members than the ones that eventually joined us some loyalty
issues to their family. I would dare say that they 4 that joined us were
probably not the entirety that would have if they would have been given
the chance alot sooner before they got so fed up and decided to quit.

Where did I call the players who joined 13th traitors? Like I said, I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, so I won't judge their reasons for switching sides. I also don't think the comparison to Inty is an accurate one. Other than defending my tribe, I don't see any similarities.

 

[killergoon=-]

I still very much enjoy the banter between MM and our new Inty.
I however am a bit dissappointed about refering to the guys that joined
13th as traitors. I might present to you in this fact that the real traitor
might have actually been babyteeth in this case. I might not know all
of the details but was privileged to some of the info and saw that it
was the treachorous actions taken by 100I leadership that caused the
split amongst their group to begin with. That probably caused more
of their members than the ones that eventually joined us some loyalty
issues to their family. I would dare say that they 4 that joined us were
probably not the entirety that would have if they would have been given
the chance alot sooner before they got so fed up and decided to quit.

surely the wisdom leadership and not 100I?

 

[netjakdim]

surely the wisdom leadership and not 100I?

:icon_cool: It was all Wicks fault sir.