Shadryk 01
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I few weeks ago, I made this topic regarding the Answer-Beyond merge, and events in the area:
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There have been significant developments (some of which are eluded to elsewhere) and there is also some fulfilled retribution that is leaving a few K23 players quite satisfied.
Sense was marginally winning their war against answer, when Sense felt compelled to merge with Ow! Answer felt compelled to merge with Beyond to preserve their numerical superiority over Sense (now Ow!) players. The war continued. Ow! was a 2.5:1 underdog, but fought basically to a stalemate. Stats are above. Nonetheless, we were beginning to undergo transformative changes within Ow!, with a goal of increasing its combat effectiveness. With this group of players, I believe Ow! would have surged in aggression and defeated Beyond.
Here are the stats in the first stage of the Ow - Beyond war (not sure when it really started):
Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: Beyond
Timeframe: 01/11/2011 00:00:00 to 03/12/2011 02:27:50
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 26
Side 2: 24
Difference: 2
However, things took a different path. While Beyond fought us, there was a question of Beyond (presumably allied with MANIC) of being pulled into a war against FORK. This being the case, war planners in FORK could be concerned about Beyond plowing through Ow and setting up a Northern front on their own border. So, what to do?
From the Answer members who recently joined Beyond, a subset of those players left Beyond to join Fork. One of the recruited players occupied a huge space right in the middle of a very hot battlefield. This move cooled that portion of the battlefield at once. The package deprived Beyond control of k24 (critical for their war effort) and also cut off a handful of Beyond players who were not part of the FORK package.
Ow! quickly disposed of the remaining players who were next to us, especially in K23. Here are the stats for Ow! v. Beyond & 2 players who left or were dismissed during combat, AFTER the key battlefront players from Beyond joined FORK:
Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: Beyond
Players: Clan660, ylarkirikal*
Timeframe: 05/12/2011 00:00:00 to 13/12/2011 11:39:54 <---- about 1 week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 37
Side 2: 4
Difference: 33
* Beyond players now in FORK also nobled this player, although it is not represented on this chart.
Everybody in Ow would have preferred to fight Beyond at their full strength. We were holding our own & ramping up our efforts. There is some disappointment expressed on this forum regarding this lost opportunity. But, it is what it is. Beyond was gearing up for a long and punishing war. They even recruited a few players in K23, presumably to offer more local firepower and open up a new battlefront. I'm sure that Beyond is extremely disappointed with the way things turned out. Their latest losses on their Western fringe is not a reflection of their ability. It is a reflection of events beyond their control. Those villages were undefendable without a huge and permanent garrison of support.
The players who left Beyond weren't there long enough to forge strong tribal attachments. Beyond did not lose any of their more historic players. Some may see it as a huge betrayal. Personally, I prefer to fight for whatever tribe I'm in, but I'm not going to judge. While it does suck for Beyond, these transitional players are doing what they feel is best for them. Who knows? There may have been some early internal issues that are not known to the general public.
Now, lets rewind back to Sense. A key goal was to utterly destroy every player who initially defected that tribe to join answer. Especially those who took parting shots at our leadership on their way out. I am happy to report that our goal has now been met. The final surviving defector was rimmed a few hours ago. Here is his final village:
[spoil][report_export]http://en58.tribalwars.net/public_report/95e5805686131191456ffc98f58760e7[/report_export]
Well, hell....how do I show this report? Any help? Sorry, guys. I don't post too often.[/spoil]
If nothing else, at least a few of the ex-Sense players do get to enjoy this one piece of justice. :icon_biggrin:
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[/spoil]There is a post about the Beyond - Answer merge. Both halves are accused of tribal hugging and avoiding a war. Here are 2 elements:
First, Beyond & Answer were natural allies. Both had lots of room to expand and a clear border that neither side violated. They eliminated friction points by staying in their own Ks. They were of equal size. Larger threats brew to their South. War did not make sense.
The other key element is K23. The tribe Sense emerged as the top rim tribe of K23. Having about 20 empty roster spots, Answer pressed for a merged with Sense. I was a new member of Sense at the time. The leadership refused. Answer then recruited about 7 of the top players from Sense, who then turned on & attacked the rest and was joined with the might of answer.
Sense was outnumbered 3:1. There was an emergency shake-up with the sense leadership. About 15 members fled or were dismissed. But the remaining members rallied and killed all of the defectors, save one. With the players recruited by Answer dying or dead, it seemed likely that the resurgent Sense tribe could fight Answer to a stand-still, or overpower them.
....then Ow! started moving into K23 from the South. Gicusan (Sense) correctly realized they intended to run right over Sense. There was no way we could take on 2 enemies, each three times our size, and positioned on 2 different fronts. The only option was to merge with one tribe and fight the other. The leadership chose to merge with Ow! The fortified Ow tribe would very likely overrun Answer.
By this time, Answer & Beyond each had fewer than 20 members. To Beyond's credit, they avoided recruiting a bunch of trash players just to fill up a roster. Answer appeared to be identifying and culling bad members during the war effort, as well. There are also threats to Beyond and Answer to their South.
From my perspective, the merge of Beyond & Answer is the perfect solution and makes total sense. I can't find any fault with it. A tribe often does not know who their bad players are until a war hits. Answer leadership was apparently able to ID the deadwood, and calculated that it was better to walk away from them and beef up for a fight v. Ow! at the same time, while also steeling themselves against a potential war against a top tribe to their South.
There have been significant developments (some of which are eluded to elsewhere) and there is also some fulfilled retribution that is leaving a few K23 players quite satisfied.
Sense was marginally winning their war against answer, when Sense felt compelled to merge with Ow! Answer felt compelled to merge with Beyond to preserve their numerical superiority over Sense (now Ow!) players. The war continued. Ow! was a 2.5:1 underdog, but fought basically to a stalemate. Stats are above. Nonetheless, we were beginning to undergo transformative changes within Ow!, with a goal of increasing its combat effectiveness. With this group of players, I believe Ow! would have surged in aggression and defeated Beyond.
Here are the stats in the first stage of the Ow - Beyond war (not sure when it really started):
Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: Beyond
Timeframe: 01/11/2011 00:00:00 to 03/12/2011 02:27:50
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 26
Side 2: 24
Difference: 2
However, things took a different path. While Beyond fought us, there was a question of Beyond (presumably allied with MANIC) of being pulled into a war against FORK. This being the case, war planners in FORK could be concerned about Beyond plowing through Ow and setting up a Northern front on their own border. So, what to do?
From the Answer members who recently joined Beyond, a subset of those players left Beyond to join Fork. One of the recruited players occupied a huge space right in the middle of a very hot battlefield. This move cooled that portion of the battlefield at once. The package deprived Beyond control of k24 (critical for their war effort) and also cut off a handful of Beyond players who were not part of the FORK package.
Ow! quickly disposed of the remaining players who were next to us, especially in K23. Here are the stats for Ow! v. Beyond & 2 players who left or were dismissed during combat, AFTER the key battlefront players from Beyond joined FORK:
Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: Beyond
Players: Clan660, ylarkirikal*
Timeframe: 05/12/2011 00:00:00 to 13/12/2011 11:39:54 <---- about 1 week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 37
Side 2: 4
Difference: 33
* Beyond players now in FORK also nobled this player, although it is not represented on this chart.
Everybody in Ow would have preferred to fight Beyond at their full strength. We were holding our own & ramping up our efforts. There is some disappointment expressed on this forum regarding this lost opportunity. But, it is what it is. Beyond was gearing up for a long and punishing war. They even recruited a few players in K23, presumably to offer more local firepower and open up a new battlefront. I'm sure that Beyond is extremely disappointed with the way things turned out. Their latest losses on their Western fringe is not a reflection of their ability. It is a reflection of events beyond their control. Those villages were undefendable without a huge and permanent garrison of support.
The players who left Beyond weren't there long enough to forge strong tribal attachments. Beyond did not lose any of their more historic players. Some may see it as a huge betrayal. Personally, I prefer to fight for whatever tribe I'm in, but I'm not going to judge. While it does suck for Beyond, these transitional players are doing what they feel is best for them. Who knows? There may have been some early internal issues that are not known to the general public.
Now, lets rewind back to Sense. A key goal was to utterly destroy every player who initially defected that tribe to join answer. Especially those who took parting shots at our leadership on their way out. I am happy to report that our goal has now been met. The final surviving defector was rimmed a few hours ago. Here is his final village:
[spoil][report_export]http://en58.tribalwars.net/public_report/95e5805686131191456ffc98f58760e7[/report_export]
Well, hell....how do I show this report? Any help? Sorry, guys. I don't post too often.[/spoil]
If nothing else, at least a few of the ex-Sense players do get to enjoy this one piece of justice. :icon_biggrin:
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