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We have a much different view of hugging. Quite frankly, I don't think Loen has any lesson for anyone on this particular topic.
+Phoenix 26 Players 320 million points
those that were invited seen they were doomed an understood to survive to the end game it was time to shallow their pride an ask nicely if they could join us,not that they were not being hit as well brnkmike was about to be hit when we were told to hold fire for now jonboy an NBD was hammered hard by us to which they understood they would be next on the removal list an was smart enough to come to us an ask to join to survive that much longer when they understood Karma an ship lead them down the primrose path to their doom! now when someone comes to us seeing the light as it were it shows us they were a bit smarter then the others an should be given a chance to show what they can bring to the tribe while others are still believing the BS ship an them gave them an are still fighting the lost cause if anything they make us smile at their craziness in thinking they stand a chance but we assign them their fate an tip a Axe to them for standing to the end even if it was dumb of them but who are we to tell someone how to play the game if they want to make a last stand so be it an let the TW gods smile upon them.
My thoughts on Phoenix Hugging, feel free to a) Give your view on what "Hugging" Entails b) What name you give to recruiting players from a tribe you are warring before said tribe has surrendered. c) Any other reasons you'd like to offer that dispel my assertion that Phoenix are hugging certain players to bulk out their points total.
Well you haven't beaten them, because they haven't disbanded, so you can't term the players or the terroritory they control as the spoils of victory.
Therefore one can only assume that seeing as you haven't beaten them you are hugging certain players by wooing them to join Phoenix, reason for this would be speculative, but assuming it's NOT because you wouldn't have eventualy beaten them, I think Phoenix would eventualy have beaten them, then the only other reason I can surmise is to bulk out Phoenixs total point count so that they are able to (eventualy) relegate BH to #2 ( BH 55 players 628 mill points versus Phoenix 26 Players 320 million points ) and declare themselves as a) outright winners or b) the senior partner in a winning coalition
BH have limited expansion other than by conquering ( Close To Tribe Member Limit ) whereas Phoenix still have some 50% of the limit
All your logical construction is based in a wrong assumption: "Well you haven't beaten them, because they haven't disbanded"
If a duke of a losing tribe doesn't click the disband button, does it mean that they haven't lost? For me it means that they don't recognize their defeat. Almost all the meatshields they recruited have already been nobled, from GREEN times to MF times, many of their dukes have quit the game or resigned to go to other tribe, in the last months they are getting conquered more than what they conquer, they are mostly nobling inactive and barbs, they rarely organize any offensive raid, they are just defending and losing territory, one third of their tribe are inactive (even after recruiting new ppl), they have changed their name to try to change their "stigma", their current players don't want to assume the responsabilities for their "old" tribe ("dont the players left deserve a chance to overcome a stigma not created by them?"), etc.
So, if they don't hit disband, what do we do? Noble all them? Their are still 3rd in the world and I only have 3 nobles left ...
Or we move on?
Those damn nobles. They keep running out.
It's not uncommon for a winning tribe to recruit a few of a defeted tribe, or in this case almost defeated.
No need to be bitter here M. Mike, it's probably not your fault if Loen is becoming irrelevant.
Sir Mike,
I do not wish to be rude or unforthcoming, but you are claiming we haven't defeated RAM. Yes, 'technically' they have not pressed the disband button. They have however already changed names, and not to mention the results are clearly obvious to anyone who is looking. If Phoenix as a tribe can produce the following result :
Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: =H==G=, Drift
Timeframe: Last 24 hours
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 129
Side 2: 1
Difference: 128
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 577
Side 2: 12
Difference: 565
Then I say that we won the war. And please keep in mind that those figures above are with us having to limit ourselves to the nobles we can recruit. I for one would be having at least 2 or 3 times more caps then I can now make.
We're nobling more from RAM, then RAM is nobling externally, and RAM's #of points is rapidly shrinking.
As for the recruiting. As everyone in Phoenix should know, that is our Duke who answers . So I'll refrain from commenting.
Bullmastiff
24hours
Total conquers:
Side 1: 19
Side 2: 52
Difference: 33
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 16
Side 2: 0
Difference: 16
last week
Total conquers:
Side 1: 65
Side 2: 618
Difference: 553
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 53
Side 2: 0
Difference: 53
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Maybe we should take a look at our other frontline players?
So can't really call it hugging, as we are still gaining villages, and RAM or HG isn't nomore.
So the assertion that you are hugging players to finish the war ( maybe finishing it by ACTUALY defeating them was going to take too long! ) remains
Dude. We're pounding RAM in so many ways, and so many levels. And yes, our new recruitees have (i) orders to prove themselves on the offensive field and (ii) do not receive tribal support for their inaugural period. That's the way Phoenix works, you need to earn your position.
Off course they are going to account for a certain % of our caps. Even if it would have been 10%, you would have used that to assert your above stated claim.
Lets then use the following stats (who will only be very mildly distorted) :
Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: =H==G=
Timeframe: Last month
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1,534
Side 2: 41
Difference: 1,493
I think we can safely say the war is already over, and the mopping up action has begun.
I do admit that you are right that nobling all of RAM villages would take a long time. They are still equally large then us on village count. But if you know Phoenix in any way, you would know that such a thing is NEVER any grounds for recruitment (I also refer to the above). We do not care about village count, only skill and merit. Everything else follows.
Feel free to call it whatever you want. The only thing that matters to me (and the rest of Phx) is that we have 3 new players with us, who deserve their spot in Phoenix, and will greatly help in cleaning up RAM and all future endeavours.