First off googly you defending him , your the one that moved in on the tribe as there salvation , you came on these externals and bragged how you were going to save a tribe.
well you didnt .My belief is shaz could have done the same job as either you or ant if he was given the proper opportunity he wasnt.
I again stated that either wicker or smoov could have done a better job then either you or ant. You see a failed trend developing here ?
You can come on and defend shaz all you want , call me whatever names make you happy really dosent bother me . Again "my opinion " and its shared by many i might add ,=X was doomed from the start , to many bad council choices to start and then recruiting a player from another world to come in and lead , that again according to shaz was undermined by ant.
On 18th Jan 2012 Googly decided to step down and handed the leadership to Anthills. Googly believes Anthills is interfering in his leadership and not letting him lead the way he wanted to. Anthill took over and started a thread where people apply for leadership position. Alex applied for diplomat position. I asked Alex if u have time why not lead the tribe. Me and Ants do not want to lead, if u have time u should lead, since all three of us were council members before googly was installed as duke. We can talk to Anthills and I think he would agree.
and this
Shave leadership is liar, not because they lied, because they support a liar. If someone is supporting a liar there are 2 possibilities.
1. If he knows that the person is a liar and still supporting the liar, in-fact he is a liar himself.
2. If he do not know that the person is a liar and is supporting him, he is not a liar but he is being miss-lead by a liar.
I believe Shave leadership knows what Wickerman is all about but they still supported him so I believe they are liars as well.
Adding i believe dosent change the original statement you called shave liars
Shaz i have a few questions for you please answer them.
1. Did i tell you i had meet wicker on this world while i co Duked Sick! and that he had an open invite to join us up until the point he restarted in the west?
2. Did i tell you that wicker requested diplomacy for =x as a diplomat from shave and was refussed?
3. Did i tell you it was reffused for 3 reasons?
A- previous diplomacy set with another tribe
B- Ant as a Duke
C- The fact we knew that =X was going to be attacked by both pita and KP and again would have effected our diplomacy (Wicker knew all of this)
4. Did shave at any time ever offer assistance to =x in any way? (Not that i no of)
5.Did shave at any point ever assist wicker or his council using members in your tribe for him to gain advantage ? ( not that i know of )
6. Did i say wicker would be the new Duke ? I had said thats what i was told by him .(regardless of if he became due or not there was never a mention of any diplomacy being granted )
So please answer these questions and again where did shave lie or support wicker in any way , or might i add have anything at all to do with your tribe or its downfall??
So to basically sum up all your opinions (that you want everyone to accept as facts without any proof ), you were upset because "I" spoke to wicker a player that was respected and still is both on the externals and privately .
The only discussions we ever had were the ones regarding diplomacy where he was refused. That and the fact" he" had mentioned he would be the new Duke . Actually not much of a conversation more of that he brought it up.
So again where did shave lie? Where did we support ? Where did we help destroy your tribe?
All of the above can be blamed 100% on your council , shave had nothing to do with it.
And again this wasnt a goodbye thread as much as it was a
rant thread started by shaz where he wanted to take a couple of cheap shots on the way out the door . Using the same propaganda he has tried to use in the past .That by his own admission
I never said i have any proof that Shave leadership(u and slinky) lied. What i stated is I believed that Shave leadership(u and slinky) is liar since you guys supported Wicker who is a liar, knowing he is a liar. If u guys support him not knowing he is a liar than obviously i am wrong in my belief. I have proof that Wicker lied.
Again throwing the word
believe in repeatedly while still calling us a liar , is just Dumb. If wicker lied he lied , personally i dont no what he lied about as all i saw were "opinions" by wicker in these forums , that were backed up by facts that he supported with proof.
And well you supported his statements about what you now call "his lies" with your opening post .He had said you were a Duke that was lead by ant and did his bidding after he had claimed to step down . Funny as again we have this and if its true i have no clue why googly is even defending you , especially as you said Ant quit , after he said he quit ( how could he undermine googly if he wasnt here ??
On 18th Jan 2012 Googly decided to step down and handed the leadership to Anthills. Googly believes Anthills is interfering in his leadership and not letting him lead the way he wanted to. Anthill took over and started a thread where people apply for leadership position. Alex applied for diplomat position. I asked Alex if u have time why not lead the tribe. Me and Ants do not want to lead, if u have time u should lead, since all three of us were council members before googly was installed as duke. We can talk to Anthills and I think he would agree.
So i ask again whos lied ? and who supported who?