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[DeletedUser]

Oh dj, why the sudden burst of hate? Dont u agree that after 1up got gangbanged, an outsider would assume that going through all these merges is for the sole purpose of being on the first page of rankings?
There is a difference between selective recruitment and merging (or, god forbid, mass recruitment)
Also, LR is a cool tribe.

 

[DeletedUser108039]

Oh dj, why the sudden burst of hate? Dont u agree that after 1up got gangbanged, an outsider would assume that going through all these merges is for the sole purpose of being on the first page of rankings?
There is a difference between selective recruitment and merging (or, god forbid, mass recruitment)
Also, LR is a cool tribe.

Lol it was no hate mama if you remember we were talking about this on skype it was me messing with you :O

 

[DeletedUser]

Thats not nice

 

[DeletedUser]

really surprising that Jager is just 1 good village from being #2

 

[earthquake girl]

I have only done this once on w53, we got our asses kicked and I tried to quit and they talked me out of it. Truth be told Drama was close to falling apart when they asked me to lead it. Mohua and I founded Axte on w51 and I was one of the first to join DNY on w12. I have been apart of tribes that have won and have founded or led tribes that have lost (OCD comes to mind on W41).

I hate it when people try to reinvent the past.

You weren't asked to lead Drama. You refused to follow existing leadership, and then you forced a vote to gain control.

I had enough sits that I could have voted for myself and won.

 

[DeletedUser100466]

I hate it when people try to reinvent the past.

You weren't asked to lead Drama. You refused to follow existing leadership, and then you forced a vote to gain control.

I had enough sits that I could have voted for myself and won.

No offense i missed you but do not talk about w53 it's w69 :icon_twisted:

Story down!:lol:
1 UP up:icon_cool:
Varyag is the most skillful tribe in world 69 and they will win w69 just sayin
Stich will Internal whole Angry and will join varyag
Jager will try to party but i don't think they can succeed as they have justin bieber
Hugged and Inbreeders dancing all night long where pirates stealing pornstars jewels

The End
I know my post sucks but i am not up to the mark

 

[DeletedUser]

Corleone left us because he was scared of being to far and of being nobled. After he left Varyag, there was no way back for him. We had nothing to do with him after that, naturally. We don't talk to whimps.

Soooo..... he leaves Varyag to join a tribe that is heavily clustered in his area out of fear of being nobled AND he still gets nobled out??? Seems like he played that one well. Now let's analyse this as there are a few options:

Option 1 - Maybe Michael moved to RAM to protect himself without the consent of Varyag. He may have used the "I'll make out I'm an advisory to protect my ass" angle. Fat lot of good it did for him. He clearly ended up with our nobles on his doorstep. Let's not forget that at the time of moving to RAM, he had several villages and was a force to be reckoned with. So why would RAM dump him and feed him to 1UP???

Option 2 - Maybe Michael decided to join RAM after discussing it with Varyag's leadership. It is highly plausible that Michael was moved to RAM by Varyag to keep an eye on how the RAM V 1UP war went. This sounds like a very legitimate scenario to me as we've all done it at some stage.

Either way, Varyag will simply wash their hands by stating that he was worried about being isolated and he wimped out and left Varyag. What the hell.... if all else fails blame the player by calling him a wimp.

If option 2 is the correct option, then this is a failure on Varyag's behalf by initially having a scattered recruitment policy at the start of the world and then another failure by not placing appropriate diplomacy in place to compensate for having such a scattered tribe.

Don't worry shnobel, I think we know how things panned out with Michael. The core players in 1UP know enough about this game to know when a spy is planted in a rival tribe. Unless Michal had an argument with the Varyag leadership and left Varyag to join RAM, then it is quite clear that Michael was working for Varyag. Feel free to post skype chats or in-game mails to dispute this point. If you cannot post information to the contrary, then I suggest you shut it.



For the record, Michael had run his mouth off at me in other worlds to the point where I had been waiting for a world where he would land near me. That world was W69. I had marked him on the map from day 1 and it was simply a case of watching his growth and his actions. When he moved to RAM, it raised a few eyebrows and Rednecks investigated further. By this time, I had been having several chats with Rednecks and he sealed the deal by ensuring that our account got to noble his ass. Michael was outplayed before a single nuke was fired.



Oh... and this sure felt good:
[SPOIL]Defender: Michael Corleone. (deleted)
Destination: K53 005 (389|552) K53

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Defender's troops, that were in transit

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Haul: 0/138.900
Loyalty: Dropped from 20 to -5[/SPOIL]

The guy finally get his chance to face off against me and he folds like a house of cards once we start attacking... pathetic.

 

[DeletedUser]

That's how he grows, so that he can come on here and act all brutal and skillful. Pityful player and just a rotten human being.

Shnobel you do remember this is a game. When you run out of things to say you always take it personal. Just like you did with Tyler. You got upset that he smarted off to you and said you were going to have him killed. Lol what a joke you must feel like in your real life to have to make yourself feel bigger by saying things like that over a browser game.

 

[TG Smurf]

[spoil]

Soooo..... he leaves Varyag to join a tribe that is heavily clustered in his area out of fear of being nobled AND he still gets nobled out??? Seems like he played that one well. Now let's analyse this as there are a few options:

Option 1 - Maybe Michael moved to RAM to protect himself without the consent of Varyag. He may have used the "I'll make out I'm an advisory to protect my ass" angle. Fat lot of good it did for him. He clearly ended up with our nobles on his doorstep. Let's not forget that at the time of moving to RAM, he had several villages and was a force to be reckoned with. So why would RAM dump him and feed him to 1UP???

Option 2 - Maybe Michael decided to join RAM after discussing it with Varyag's leadership. It is highly plausible that Michael was moved to RAM by Varyag to keep an eye on how the RAM V 1UP war went. This sounds like a very legitimate scenario to me as we've all done it at some stage.

Either way, Varyag will simply wash their hands by stating that he was worried about being isolated and he wimped out and left Varyag. What the hell.... if all else fails blame the player by calling him a wimp.

If option 2 is the correct option, then this is a failure on Varyag's behalf by initially having a scattered recruitment policy at the start of the world and then another failure by not placing appropriate diplomacy in place to compensate for having such a scattered tribe.

Don't worry shnobel, I think we know how things panned out with Michael. The core players in 1UP know enough about this game to know when a spy is planted in a rival tribe. Unless Michal had an argument with the Varyag leadership and left Varyag to join RAM, then it is quite clear that Michael was working for Varyag. Feel free to post skype chats or in-game mails to dispute this point. If you cannot post information to the contrary, then I suggest you shut it.



For the record, Michael had run his mouth off at me in other worlds to the point where I had been waiting for a world where he would land near me. That world was W69. I had marked him on the map from day 1 and it was simply a case of watching his growth and his actions. When he moved to RAM, it raised a few eyebrows and Rednecks investigated further. By this time, I had been having several chats with Rednecks and he sealed the deal by ensuring that our account got to noble his ass. Michael was outplayed before a single nuke was fired.



Oh... and this sure felt good:
[SPOIL]Defender: Michael Corleone. (deleted)
Destination: K53 005 (389|552) K53

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Defender's troops, that were in transit

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Haul: 0/138.900
Loyalty: Dropped from 20 to -5[/SPOIL]

The guy finally get his chance to face off against me and he folds like a house of cards once we start attacking... pathetic.

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I think you are looking too far into it.
You can't make accusations unless you have at least a little bit of evidence, why would varyag wanna put a spy in RAM anyway.

Varyag have been spread out from the start and got on fine, so i fail to see how there spread is a failure on there part. They must have done something right?

 

[DeletedUser]

You are saying that Michael Corleone. was placed in RAM by Varyag and with RAM's knowledge as a consultant?
Wow..look who is the misinformed one :icon_rolleyes:



Yes. 1 Up emerged from the gangbang by abandoning K64 and merging in K53. Nothing to be proud of in my opinion.

Who have Varyag manipulated and can you provide proof without making wild accusations? All diplomacy Varyag has had so far has been respected and remains to be.



How have the leaders of 1 Up outplayed Varyag? Simply by making claims does not make them true and it is even worse when the one who makes the claims boasts of them.

(yawn)

More meaningless words. This has already been proven. You can try to manipulate this however way you want to try to hide the facts. But really it's just more empty words

And the fact that you guys bad mouth people on here then criticize them when they respond is even more pathetic. We all respond in different ways. Heck your guy shnobel threatens bodily harm to people irl. So what if Dj says "gasp" a curse word to defend their point. Really that is far more harmless don't you think?

 

[DeletedUser]

I think you are looking too far into it.
You can't make accusations unless you have at least a little bit of evidence, why would varyag wanna put a spy in RAM anyway.

Varyag have been spread out from the start and got on fine, so i fail to see how there spread is a failure on there part. They must have done something right?

i would have thought the same thing however this was proven otherwise. . It was a smart move just didn't last long. But really Chris with your involvement in the whole al murph secret identity thing it's funny that you would say that someone else was looking to much into something.

 

[DeletedUser98503]

There is no plural in 1 UP leader, Everything being said here hasn't even came from the keyboard of the 1 UP leader, I do not bother to talk the real deal on the externals as their opinions don't bother me.

We may have "merged"(Can't be bothered to argue recruiting and merging) some but we'll just see what happens in the future. #LIVELONGANDPROSPER

 

[TG Smurf]

i would have thought the same thing however this was proven otherwise. . It was a smart move just didn't last long. But really Chris with your involvement in the whole al murph secret identity thing it's funny that you would say that someone else was looking to much into something.

Yes because that totally has ANYTHING to do with varyag planting a spy in RAM :icon_eek:

 

[DeletedUser98503]

Yep, Choco planted himself into ZG so he could lead 1 UP without being rimmed, Something his co duke CleanUp Squad should of done.

 

[DeletedUser]

I think you are looking too far into it.

I don't think so...

You can't make accusations unless you have at least a little bit of evidence

An accusation is an imputation of guilt or blame. I never blamed anyone or implied guilt. I simply disputed shnobel's claims that Corleone ran from Varyag by discussing several options. I then asked for proof that Corleone ran from Varyag to save his own neck.

why would varyag wanna put a spy in RAM anyway.

Are you serious?? I'll let this one go through to the keeper considering how ludicrous the statement is.

Varyag have been spread out from the start and got on fine, so i fail to see how there spread is a failure on there part. They must have done something right?

shnobel 's argument is that Michael complained about being isolated and was at threat of being attacked. If this is the reason why Michael left Varyag, then the tribe most definitely failed to offer him assistance via appropriate diplomacy to protect him in some manner. It kinda shoots your argument into pieces too...

Ultimately, you state that I don't have any proof, but I don't need it. I didn't make the initial statement that Michael left of his own accord. I've asked shnobel to back up his statement that Michael left Varyag on less than suitable terms, so unless Varyag can show evidence that Michael left Varyag and intended to have nothing more to do with them, then I'd be pretty certain that they just lost a valuable asset. If this is the case, then they are most certainly are doing something wrong.

More importantly, other tribes should be aware of how Varyag works and that they just might end up with a spy in their tribe if they deal with Varyag in the future.

Find the skype chats or in-game mails to prove that Michael wasn't planted into RAM and all will be well. Varyag's name will be cleared and we can all go back to picking on 1UP.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes because that totally has ANYTHING to do with varyag planting a spy in RAM :icon_eek:

no but it shows that people do make the effort to try to manipulate. As clearly you Showed everyone with that episode. Also speaks of your character just a tad.


And please varyag use spies? No way! They use "consultants"

 

[DeletedUser]

[SPOIL]

Soooo..... he leaves Varyag to join a tribe that is heavily clustered in his area out of fear of being nobled AND he still gets nobled out??? Seems like he played that one well. Now let's analyse this as there are a few options:

Option 1 - Maybe Michael moved to RAM to protect himself without the consent of Varyag. He may have used the "I'll make out I'm an advisory to protect my ass" angle. Fat lot of good it did for him. He clearly ended up with our nobles on his doorstep. Let's not forget that at the time of moving to RAM, he had several villages and was a force to be reckoned with. So why would RAM dump him and feed him to 1UP???

Option 2 - Maybe Michael decided to join RAM after discussing it with Varyag's leadership. It is highly plausible that Michael was moved to RAM by Varyag to keep an eye on how the RAM V 1UP war went. This sounds like a very legitimate scenario to me as we've all done it at some stage.

Either way, Varyag will simply wash their hands by stating that he was worried about being isolated and he wimped out and left Varyag. What the hell.... if all else fails blame the player by calling him a wimp.

If option 2 is the correct option, then this is a failure on Varyag's behalf by initially having a scattered recruitment policy at the start of the world and then another failure by not placing appropriate diplomacy in place to compensate for having such a scattered tribe.

Don't worry shnobel, I think we know how things panned out with Michael. The core players in 1UP know enough about this game to know when a spy is planted in a rival tribe. Unless Michal had an argument with the Varyag leadership and left Varyag to join RAM, then it is quite clear that Michael was working for Varyag. Feel free to post skype chats or in-game mails to dispute this point. If you cannot post information to the contrary, then I suggest you shut it.



For the record, Michael had run his mouth off at me in other worlds to the point where I had been waiting for a world where he would land near me. That world was W69. I had marked him on the map from day 1 and it was simply a case of watching his growth and his actions. When he moved to RAM, it raised a few eyebrows and Rednecks investigated further. By this time, I had been having several chats with Rednecks and he sealed the deal by ensuring that our account got to noble his ass. Michael was outplayed before a single nuke was fired.



Oh... and this sure felt good:
[SPOIL]Defender: Michael Corleone. (deleted)
Destination: K53 005 (389|552) K53

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Defender's troops, that were in transit

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Haul: 0/138.900
Loyalty: Dropped from 20 to -5[/SPOIL]

The guy finally get his chance to face off against me and he folds like a house of cards once we start attacking... pathetic.

[/SPOIL]

Now that we have delved deep into the hypothetical world. Let's try and make sense of why and how you arrived at the above conclusions that you just posted. Just like you, there's a lot of guesswork involved in my theory. Here's what you must be basically thinking.


Option 1: He joined RAM of his own accord. (Your probable thought- No opening to begin trying to flame his first tribe so we will focus on a different line of argument.)


Option 2: He joined RAM at his old tribe's request. (Your probable thought- Gives us a reason to flame them. So let's go with that.)


My personal favorite is the as-of-yet-not-mentioned Option 3...

​Option 3: 1 UP members feel a need to big up the importance of nobling out an account that rolled over under their attacks. (My thoughts - Well already enough evidence has been given in Faaaaark's original post about how lovely it was to noble an old rival)


“Soooo..... he leaves Varyag to join a tribe that is heavily clustered in his area out of fear of being nobled AND he still gets nobled out??? Seems like he played that one well. Now let's analyse this as there are a few options:”


Okay now let's get out of the hypothetical world. I am sure people have had a lot of that by now.

Quite clearly, he did not play it well at all. He joined RAM of his own accord. There are skype logs later to prove it.

Option 1: This clearly is a lot more likely than your second option. If you look at our tribal history you won't find another person who left Varyag to join another for protection due to our spread, and just looking at a map shows we don’t think that is necessary. (With the exception of Beyond Divinity who joined 1UP of their own accord right at the start and later got rimmed in your war against RAM while representing your tribe.) We are fine with our spread. And if you can prove that we diplomatically back stabbed anyone, you are more than welcome to produce facts.

Option 2: Why would someone need to join RAM to influence them or know what was going on in their war/merge-fest with 1 UP? You can do that without being in a tribe, so it seems rather foolish to me.

“Unless Michal had an argument with the Varyag leadership and left Varyag to join RAM, then it is quite clear that Michael was working for Varyag.”

So basically, you have discarded option 1…why?

Varyag has a right to wash their hands off any player who makes a decision to do what is best for them instead of what is best for their own tribe.

And to confirm that Option 1 is indeed what happened, let me serve you some lovely skype logs of course with names edited to preserve the privacy of our members.

[SPOIL][6/19/2013 1:33:45 AM] *** 28 - ALEKZ has left ***
[6/19/2013 1:56:50 AM] Member 1:
[6/19/2013 1:56:52 AM] Member 1: Why did he leave?
[6/19/2013 1:57:30 AM] Member 1: He wasn't that far from us (think)
[6/19/2013 1:58:17 AM] Member 2: no idea
[6/19/2013 1:59:09 AM] Council 1: scared obviously
[6/19/2013 1:59:23 AM] Member 2: he wanted us to recruit people by him
[6/19/2013 2:03:43 AM] Member 3: Jun 18
21:04 Michael Corleone. left the tribe.


This?
[6/19/2013 2:04:07 AM] Member 2: [21:29:32] Council 1:: scared obviously
[21:29:45] Member 2: he wanted us to recruit people by him
[6/19/2013 2:04:39 AM | Removed 2:04:45 AM] Member 4:This message has been removed.
[6/19/2013 2:04:49 AM] Member 2: (chuckle)
[6/19/2013 2:04:59 AM] Member 5: yea he is having problems with getting peeps to join us in his area
[6/19/2013 2:06:04 AM] Member 1: Meh, for someone that doesn't care much about the game or "rank" he sure did jump ship fast
[6/19/2013 2:06:13 AM] Member 3:: Mmmmm. Jumped up to something that gives him more status rank wise or what?
[6/19/2013 2:06:25 AM] Member 1: He joined the rank 6 tribe
[6/19/2013 2:07:00 AM] Duke: I talked with him
[6/19/2013 2:07:04 AM] Duke: Its all good.
[6/19/2013 2:07:21 AM] Member 2: (think)
[6/19/2013 2:07:31 AM] Member 2: what does that mean?
[6/19/2013 2:07:36 AM] Member 5: yea no bad blood
[6/19/2013 2:07:59 AM] Member 1:
[6/19/2013 2:08:01 AM] Duke: his position was a problem, unlike Member 5: we couldnt get anyone for him.
[6/19/2013 2:08:05 AM] Duke: so he had to leave
[6/19/2013 2:08:08 AM] Member 1: He wasn't that far out
[6/19/2013 2:08:19 AM] Duke: He wasnt but RAM surrounds him area
[6/19/2013 2:08:22 AM] Member 5: far enough at this stage I thinks
[6/19/2013 2:08:25 AM] Member 1: and he was just preaching in here the other night about not caring about rank and that he only played for the people
[6/19/2013 2:08:41 AM] Duke: and he by all means has the right to choose
[6/19/2013 2:08:49 AM] Duke: I don't blame him
[6/19/2013 2:08:51 AM] Council 1: he does but i will not invite back
[6/19/2013 2:08:51 AM] Council 1:
[6/19/2013 2:09:03 AM] Member 1: I never said he didn't have a choice (think)
[6/19/2013 2:09:18 AM] Member 1: I just find him hypocritical
[6/19/2013 2:09:22 AM] Duke: well he told me
[6/19/2013 2:09:28 AM] Duke: before he was leaving
[6/19/2013 2:09:36 AM] Duke: i wont invite him back yes
[6/19/2013 2:09:45 AM] Duke: but he told he d leave
[6/19/2013 2:09:46 AM] Duke: he left
[6/19/2013 2:09:48 AM] Duke: the end[/SPOIL]

If you want to create any more unfounded accusations based on illogical guesswork and hypothetical theories, feel free to. However, the skype quote above from when he left the tribe is proof enough of what occurred. And Just so you know, I won't even bother replying unless you produce facts with the next post you make. Too much hypothetical theories in your post for my taste already. Thanks for your time.

Respects

 

[DeletedUser]

I can edit Skype chats to

Also why he left and how you used that to your benefit are 2 very different things.

 

[DeletedUser]

[SPOIL][6/19/2013 1:33:45 AM] *** 28 - ALEKZ has left ***
[6/19/2013 1:56:50 AM] Member 1:
[6/19/2013 1:56:52 AM] Member 1: Why did he leave?
[6/19/2013 1:57:30 AM] Member 1: He wasn't that far from us (think)
[6/19/2013 1:58:17 AM] Member 2: no idea
[6/19/2013 1:59:09 AM] Council 1: scared obviously
[6/19/2013 1:59:23 AM] Member 2: he wanted us to recruit people by him
[6/19/2013 2:03:43 AM] Member 3: Jun 18
21:04 Michael Corleone. left the tribe.


This?
[6/19/2013 2:04:07 AM] Member 2: [21:29:32] Council 1:: scared obviously
[21:29:45] Member 2: he wanted us to recruit people by him
[6/19/2013 2:04:39 AM | Removed 2:04:45 AM] Member 4:This message has been removed.
[6/19/2013 2:04:49 AM] Member 2: (chuckle)
[6/19/2013 2:04:59 AM] Member 5: yea he is having problems with getting peeps to join us in his area
[6/19/2013 2:06:04 AM] Member 1: Meh, for someone that doesn't care much about the game or "rank" he sure did jump ship fast
[6/19/2013 2:06:13 AM] Member 3:: Mmmmm. Jumped up to something that gives him more status rank wise or what?
[6/19/2013 2:06:25 AM] Member 1: He joined the rank 6 tribe
[6/19/2013 2:07:00 AM] Duke: I talked with him
[6/19/2013 2:07:04 AM] Duke: Its all good.
[6/19/2013 2:07:21 AM] Member 2: (think)
[6/19/2013 2:07:31 AM] Member 2: what does that mean?
[6/19/2013 2:07:36 AM] Member 5: yea no bad blood
[6/19/2013 2:07:59 AM] Member 1:
[6/19/2013 2:08:01 AM] Duke: his position was a problem, unlike Member 5: we couldnt get anyone for him.
[6/19/2013 2:08:05 AM] Duke: so he had to leave
[6/19/2013 2:08:08 AM] Member 1: He wasn't that far out
[6/19/2013 2:08:19 AM] Duke: He wasnt but RAM surrounds him area
[6/19/2013 2:08:22 AM] Member 5: far enough at this stage I thinks
[6/19/2013 2:08:25 AM] Member 1: and he was just preaching in here the other night about not caring about rank and that he only played for the people
[6/19/2013 2:08:41 AM] Duke: and he by all means has the right to choose
[6/19/2013 2:08:49 AM] Duke: I don't blame him
[6/19/2013 2:08:51 AM] Council 1: he does but i will not invite back
[6/19/2013 2:08:51 AM] Council 1:
[6/19/2013 2:09:03 AM] Member 1: I never said he didn't have a choice (think)
[6/19/2013 2:09:18 AM] Member 1: I just find him hypocritical
[6/19/2013 2:09:22 AM] Duke: well he told me
[6/19/2013 2:09:28 AM] Duke: before he was leaving
[6/19/2013 2:09:36 AM] Duke: i wont invite him back yes
[6/19/2013 2:09:45 AM] Duke: but he told he d leave
[6/19/2013 2:09:46 AM] Duke: he left
[6/19/2013 2:09:48 AM] Duke: the end [/SPOIL]
And there we go. Evidence...!!!! This is all I asked for. That wasn't too hard, now was it?

Maybe some proper screenshots next time...
Editing out the council names simply adds weight to the fact that the rest of the chat could have been edited too. Food for thought. Either way, I believe you... millions wouldn't, but I do. :icon_cool:

If you want to create any more unfounded accusations based on illogical guesswork and hypothetical theories, feel free to. However, the skype quote above from when he left the tribe is proof enough of what occurred. And Just so you know, I won't even bother replying unless you produce facts with the next post you make. Too much hypothetical theories in your post for my taste already. Thanks for your time.

Thank you for clearing a few things up, but you might want to keep the attitude in your pants next time.

As for facts, I was civil in my posts (something you might want to try...) and I brought a valid argument to the table in light of the information we had received. If we had not received that information, we would not even be having this conversation.

As for your 'option 3', please note that if anyone had something to boast about when Michael was rimmed it would have been me, but you didn't see me here posting about it the other day. I didn't consider it to be news worthy at the time. If it was so important to 1UP, it would have been posted 2 minutes after Michael was rimmed. Either way, free to move to my area and we'll see if I will get to boast again in the externals.

 

[DeletedUser]

The reason why we thought MC was spy from VaryAg was because he gave the RAM leaders some horrible advice. There was a merge on the table taking the best of both tribes and creating a new tribe with a new council. It was an ideal situation for both tribes, we thought the deal was done and had even made it known to the tribe that big changes were coming soon. All of the sudden RAM started dragging their feet and we get ahold of some information where MC advized the RAM council against this move. That day I organized an op on him, our leaders started tearing RAM apart internally, and he ended up rimmed. Obviously I had no proof MC was still working for VaryAg but after seeing the bad advice he gave the RAM leaders it lead to suspicions.

I hope that clears it up.