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[DeletedUser]

I posted the order of events between ego and suitup. How is that subjective? That is what happened.

I post because you need to be corrected.

 

[DeletedUser]

I posted the order of events between ego and suitup. How is that subjective? That is what happened.

I post because you need to be corrected.

I post because it is my opinion, which does not need to be corrected. I will not change my mind and agree with you.

Your views are blinkered and biased towards the glorious tribe that was EGO, where are they now? All this hard core fighting that you guys did? All this defeating suitup, KOC, smoke?

So yes, if my views are subjective then so are yours. Just because you post something here Nathan does not make it factually correct. In your mind EGO were all that and then some, in my mind Zips are.

 

[DeletedUser]

Again, I posted a series of event that summarized the war between suitup and ego; there was nothing subjective in: "ego beat suitup, brief nap, suitup comes back with 2 allies to try and finish the job". That is the simple truth.

I don't see where you're pulling all this bias from as I simply restate what happened in this corner of the world. My posting something accurate does make it factually correct. Your refusal to acknowledge its objectivity, also, does not make it incorrect.

I had and have no delusions about the fate of EGO, but your repeated posts showing how little you know about it or anything else just prove my initial impressions of you to be woefully under-exaggerated. Pity me, thinking dukes made it their business to be more aware of the world than the tribe around them, and you only barely manage that.

 

[DeletedUser]

Again, I posted a series of event that summarized the war between suitup and ego; there was nothing subjective in: "ego beat suitup, brief nap, suitup comes back with 2 allies to try and finish the job". That is the simple truth.

No Nathan, you post what you believe to be the truth. Your statements are not always correct just because you perceive it to be that way. Just because you say that you beat suitup does not mean that I agree with you. As in my view and the view of others, you did not, especially not solo.

I don't see where you're pulling all this bias from as I simply restate what happened in this corner of the world. My posting something accurate does make it factually correct. Your refusal to acknowledge its objectivity, also, does not make it incorrect.

Your deluded impression that EGO were this awesome tribe that fought so many tribes larger than themselves and won. You post about beating suitup, not the case in certain peoples view. Ask the ex suitup guys in the skype chat see what they say.

As I have shown, Zips have fought larger family tribes and held their own, but when I say it I get jumped on.

I had and have no delusions about the fate of EGO, but your repeated posts showing how little you know about it or anything else just prove my initial impressions of you to be woefully under-exaggerated.

I knew all I needed to know about EGO and your impression or opinion of myself worries me little. I cannot stand you to be honest, I actually wish you would go solo and leave Zips. You are by far the worst recruit I have ever agreed to, not because of your stats but because of your piss poor attitude.

Pity me, thinking dukes made it their business to be more aware of the world than the tribe around them, and you only barely manage that.

Nope, I was always aware of the tribes that mattered, EGO obviously did not matter that much to me. Our council had an opinion of your former tribe and that opinion was spot on from the attitude and play I have seen so far.

I actually know more than you realise about EGO :icon_wink:

 

[DeletedUser]

No Nathan, you post what you believe to be the truth. Your statements are not always correct just because you perceive it to be that way. Just because you say that you beat suitup does not mean that I agree with you. As in my view and the view of others, you did not, especially not solo.

We did beat suitup in the first iteration there is no other way to look at it.

Your deluded impression that EGO were this awesome tribe that fought so many tribes larger than themselves and won. You post about beating suitup, not the case in certain peoples view. Ask the ex suitup guys in the skype chat see what they say.
As I have shown, Zips have fought larger family tribes and held their own, but when I say it I get jumped on.

I never said we won all our wars, I simply stated that EGO for much of the world was fighting tribe(s) who were larger than EGO. And you didn't really "hold your own" until auphan came to the rescue. Wee was a defeated tribe for the most part before ther came to their aid.

I knew all I needed to know about EGO and your impression or opinion of myself worries me little. I cannot stand you to be honest, I actually wish you would go solo and leave Zips. You are by far the worst recruit I have ever agreed to, not because of your stats but because of your piss poor attitude.

If only I could hide under my shiny duke hat so my attitude could be more pompous and undeserved.

 

[DeletedUser]

We did beat suitup in the first iteration there is no other way to look at it.

No you didn't.

I never said we won all our wars, I simply stated that EGO for much of the world was fighting tribe(s) who were larger than EGO. And you didn't really "hold your own" until auphan came to the rescue. Wee was a defeated tribe for the most part before ther came to their aid.

Yes we did after the initial losses.

If only I could hide under my shiny duke hat so my attitude could be more pompous and undeserved.

You could, leave Zips, form your own tribe call it, Cocky Undervalued Nathans Tribe (Guess what for short?)

Your attitude stinks, I am polite to people from the start until they give me reason to be otherwise. I also hide under nothing Nathan.

 

[DeletedUser]

No you didn't.

stats don't lie

[spoil]Ego gains against suitup:
http://www.twstats.com/en66/index.p...tribe=1152&newtribe=2472&min=&max=&timerange=
(146)
+
http://www.twstats.com/en66/index.p...72&type=all&oldtribe=18717&newtribe=2472&pn=2
(92)
-
Ego losses to suitup:
http://www.twstats.com/en66/index.p...ldtribe=-1&newtribe=1152&min=&max=&timerange=
(105)
+
http://www.twstats.com/en66/index.p...dtribe=-1&newtribe=18717&min=&max=&timerange=
(45)
=88 villages ahead on the whole deal. Too lazy to separate it by war. but most of the evening toward suitup obviously occurred once they had allies with them.
[/spoil]

edit: also, I've talked to a few who were in suitup (even bluetatoo) who told me that their continued opping against me was what drove the tribe apart at least in terms of leadership quitting.

Yes we did after the initial losses.

so.... you didn't.

You could, leave Zips, form your own tribe call it, Cocky Undervalued Nathans Tribe (Guess what for short?)

Your attitude stinks, I am polite to people from the start until they give me reason to be otherwise. I also hide under nothing Nathan.

My attitude is fine until you bring me around who are much too full of themselves for knowing so damn little about anything, then there's trouble brewin'. I know you as the person i had to explain a tribal issue to in my talking-to-a-5-year-old tone because through everyone else calmly explaining it to you it just turned into you telling people to leave if they have an issue. Sam has a cooler head than you do.

 

[DeletedUser]

My attitude is fine until you bring me around who are much too full of themselves for knowing so damn little about anything, then there's trouble brewin'. I know you as the person i had to explain a tribal issue to in my talking-to-a-5-year-old tone because through everyone else calmly explaining it to you it just turned into you telling people to leave if they have an issue. Sam has a cooler head than you do.

You do not know me Nathan and you have never explained anything to me, nor have I needed you too. My view of telling people who complain about the tribe that they have just joined is to leave, still sticks, I know a fair few that wish you would. Both you and another from EGO undermine people because you think you know better, you are not real team players unless you think that it is either a good idea or your idea.

Your attitude stinks, not just with me but others also. You presume I know nothing about this world, you are so far off it is untrue. The difference is that you make it your business to know others business. I make it my business to know what I only need to know, that being things that are relevant to zips and it's growth.

You hold yourself in such high regard and talk such a good talk, shame that it is all lip service.

 

[DeletedUser]

[4/7/2014 12:19:48 PM] Nathan (njc3): all just bitching at sam for no reason
[4/7/2014 12:19:54 PM] Nathan (njc3): adding all of nothing to the conversation
[4/7/2014 12:19:58 PM] Nathan (njc3): good work though
[4/7/2014 12:20:09 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, what do you add that is constructive?
[4/7/2014 12:20:32 PM] mick & mandi shadowknight: they werent just aimed at sam
[4/7/2014 12:20:39 PM] Nathan (njc3): in this chat? nothing I just read the drivel
[4/7/2014 12:21:00 PM] cinders0407: Then post the same.
[4/7/2014 12:21:01 PM] Nathan (njc3): helped sam with his ban, post reports, etc. etc.
[4/7/2014 12:21:05 PM] Sam.: [Monday, April 07, 2014 12:20 PM] Nathan (njc3):

<<< all just bitching at sam for no reason
i crave for the attention
[4/7/2014 12:21:15 PM] Sam.: nathan his in fact been very helpful
[4/7/2014 12:21:17 PM] Sam.: recently
[4/7/2014 12:21:23 PM] Sam.: helped me and loosifer with both ban appeals
[4/7/2014 12:21:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): shhh don't tell cinders
[4/7/2014 12:21:29 PM] Sam.: and helped/offered help for dao
[4/7/2014 12:21:35 PM] Nathan (njc3): he might have to log on mor ethan once every two months
[4/7/2014 12:21:36 PM | Edited 12:21:51 PM] Sam.: more than once
[4/7/2014 12:21:52 PM] cinders0407: Again more sarcastic unhelpful comments.
[4/7/2014 12:21:58 PM] cinders0407: Practice what you preach kids.
[4/7/2014 12:21:59 PM] Nathan (njc3): i reply in kind
[4/7/2014 12:22:17 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, you seem to take great pride in saying that you are not a team player.
[4/7/2014 12:22:19 PM] Sam.: My sarcastic unhelpful comments have been about as helpful as most of what the council has said here
[4/7/2014 12:22:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): i'm not
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] cinders0407: If that is really the case then just set up on your own.
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] Sam.: especially mandi
[4/7/2014 12:22:30 PM] cinders0407: Seriously.
[4/7/2014 12:22:31 PM] Sam.: it seems
[4/7/2014 12:22:55 PM] Nathan (njc3): i offer to help because i'm in a position to, i don't want any for myself
[4/7/2014 12:23:13 PM] Sam.: nathan dont need the tribe, the tribe needs nathan (cool)
[4/7/2014 12:23:25 PM] cinders0407: You are part of a tribe, use it. Do not sit there and bitch about us giving preference to others.
[4/7/2014 12:23:32 PM] cinders0407: You want to be part of it then be part of it.
[4/7/2014 12:23:52 PM] Dan (Mad): who are we apparently giving preference too?
[4/7/2014 12:23:58 PM] cinders0407: Do not moan about the op we have set up and say you will not get involved. Get involved, moan to me on skype or in game then we help you out.
[4/7/2014 12:24:07 PM] Nathan (njc3): i wasn't bitching, i was pointing it out... if i were vying for the tribe's help i might care, but i don't
[4/7/2014 12:24:10 PM] cinders0407: Alpha players and logboss reading some of that.
[4/7/2014 12:24:30 PM] cinders0407: It is not true though Nathan.
[4/7/2014 12:24:44 PM] cinders0407: We do not give a preference to anyone.
[4/7/2014 12:24:50 PM] Nathan (njc3): it may not be, but you know all those "people" that have been complaining to everyone but you?
[4/7/2014 12:25:00 PM] Nathan (njc3): maybe they can easily misconstrue that as the truth
[4/7/2014 12:25:10 PM] Nathan (njc3): and maybe THAT is what you need to communicate more effectively to the tribe

 

[DeletedUser]

[4/7/2014 12:19:48 PM] Nathan (njc3): all just bitching at sam for no reason
[4/7/2014 12:19:54 PM] Nathan (njc3): adding all of nothing to the conversation
[4/7/2014 12:19:58 PM] Nathan (njc3): good work though
[4/7/2014 12:20:09 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, what do you add that is constructive?
[4/7/2014 12:20:32 PM] mick & mandi shadowknight: they werent just aimed at sam
[4/7/2014 12:20:39 PM] Nathan (njc3): in this chat? nothing I just read the drivel
[4/7/2014 12:21:00 PM] cinders0407: Then post the same.
[4/7/2014 12:21:01 PM] Nathan (njc3): helped sam with his ban, post reports, etc. etc.
[4/7/2014 12:21:05 PM] Sam.: [Monday, April 07, 2014 12:20 PM] Nathan (njc3):

<<< all just bitching at sam for no reason
i crave for the attention
[4/7/2014 12:21:15 PM] Sam.: nathan his in fact been very helpful
[4/7/2014 12:21:17 PM] Sam.: recently
[4/7/2014 12:21:23 PM] Sam.: helped me and loosifer with both ban appeals
[4/7/2014 12:21:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): shhh don't tell cinders
[4/7/2014 12:21:29 PM] Sam.: and helped/offered help for dao
[4/7/2014 12:21:35 PM] Nathan (njc3): he might have to log on mor ethan once every two months
[4/7/2014 12:21:36 PM | Edited 12:21:51 PM] Sam.: more than once
[4/7/2014 12:21:52 PM] cinders0407: Again more sarcastic unhelpful comments.
[4/7/2014 12:21:58 PM] cinders0407: Practice what you preach kids.
[4/7/2014 12:21:59 PM] Nathan (njc3): i reply in kind
[4/7/2014 12:22:17 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, you seem to take great pride in saying that you are not a team player.
[4/7/2014 12:22:19 PM] Sam.: My sarcastic unhelpful comments have been about as helpful as most of what the council has said here
[4/7/2014 12:22:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): i'm not
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] cinders0407: If that is really the case then just set up on your own.
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] Sam.: especially mandi
[4/7/2014 12:22:30 PM] cinders0407: Seriously.
[4/7/2014 12:22:31 PM] Sam.: it seems
[4/7/2014 12:22:55 PM] Nathan (njc3): i offer to help because i'm in a position to, i don't want any for myself
[4/7/2014 12:23:13 PM] Sam.: nathan dont need the tribe, the tribe needs nathan (cool)
[4/7/2014 12:23:25 PM] cinders0407: You are part of a tribe, use it. Do not sit there and bitch about us giving preference to others.
[4/7/2014 12:23:32 PM] cinders0407: You want to be part of it then be part of it.
[4/7/2014 12:23:52 PM] Dan (Mad): who are we apparently giving preference too?
[4/7/2014 12:23:58 PM] cinders0407: Do not moan about the op we have set up and say you will not get involved. Get involved, moan to me on skype or in game then we help you out.
[4/7/2014 12:24:07 PM] Nathan (njc3): i wasn't bitching, i was pointing it out... if i were vying for the tribe's help i might care, but i don't
[4/7/2014 12:24:10 PM] cinders0407: Alpha players and logboss reading some of that.
[4/7/2014 12:24:30 PM] cinders0407: It is not true though Nathan.
[4/7/2014 12:24:44 PM] cinders0407: We do not give a preference to anyone.
[4/7/2014 12:24:50 PM] Nathan (njc3): it may not be, but you know all those "people" that have been complaining to everyone but you?
[4/7/2014 12:25:00 PM] Nathan (njc3): maybe they can easily misconstrue that as the truth
[4/7/2014 12:25:10 PM] Nathan (njc3): and maybe THAT is what you need to communicate more effectively to the tribe

All you have done by posting this is show yourself up, you come across child like in it with your unhelpful sarcastic remarks.

Also, you have not explained anything to me either now or in the chat that you posted. You have cherry picked a part that suits you, but you still come off argumentative.

 

[DeletedUser]

i picked the part i was referring to, how is that cherry picking? I've actively avoided talking to you at all other times, but after two hours of this continuing i figured it was time to walk you through it until you understood it.

 

[DeletedUser108663]

The only way to end this, frankly pathetic arguement, is for one of you to quit commenting.

If youre going to play the "who's got the biggest dick?" game, please dont bring it into the externals.

Nathan, you dont like Cinders. Cinders, you dont like Nathan.

I dont like either of you.

Are we done now?

 

[DeletedUser]

i picked the part i was referring to, how is that cherry picking? I've actively avoided talking to you at all other times, but after two hours of this continuing i figured it was time to walk you through it until you understood it.

Do not make out you were the peace keeper in all of that Nathan as that was far from the case.

 

[DeletedUser108070]

[4/7/2014 12:19:48 PM] Nathan (njc3): all just bitching at sam for no reason
[4/7/2014 12:19:54 PM] Nathan (njc3): adding all of nothing to the conversation
[4/7/2014 12:19:58 PM] Nathan (njc3): good work though
[4/7/2014 12:20:09 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, what do you add that is constructive?
[4/7/2014 12:20:32 PM] mick & mandi shadowknight: they werent just aimed at sam
[4/7/2014 12:20:39 PM] Nathan (njc3): in this chat? nothing I just read the drivel
[4/7/2014 12:21:00 PM] cinders0407: Then post the same.
[4/7/2014 12:21:01 PM] Nathan (njc3): helped sam with his ban, post reports, etc. etc.
[4/7/2014 12:21:05 PM] Sam.: [Monday, April 07, 2014 12:20 PM] Nathan (njc3):

<<< all just bitching at sam for no reason
i crave for the attention
[4/7/2014 12:21:15 PM] Sam.: nathan his in fact been very helpful
[4/7/2014 12:21:17 PM] Sam.: recently
[4/7/2014 12:21:23 PM] Sam.: helped me and loosifer with both ban appeals
[4/7/2014 12:21:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): shhh don't tell cinders
[4/7/2014 12:21:29 PM] Sam.: and helped/offered help for dao
[4/7/2014 12:21:35 PM] Nathan (njc3): he might have to log on mor ethan once every two months
[4/7/2014 12:21:36 PM | Edited 12:21:51 PM] Sam.: more than once
[4/7/2014 12:21:52 PM] cinders0407: Again more sarcastic unhelpful comments.
[4/7/2014 12:21:58 PM] cinders0407: Practice what you preach kids.
[4/7/2014 12:21:59 PM] Nathan (njc3): i reply in kind
[4/7/2014 12:22:17 PM] cinders0407: Nathan, you seem to take great pride in saying that you are not a team player.
[4/7/2014 12:22:19 PM] Sam.: My sarcastic unhelpful comments have been about as helpful as most of what the council has said here
[4/7/2014 12:22:24 PM] Nathan (njc3): i'm not
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] cinders0407: If that is really the case then just set up on your own.
[4/7/2014 12:22:29 PM] Sam.: especially mandi
[4/7/2014 12:22:30 PM] cinders0407: Seriously.
[4/7/2014 12:22:31 PM] Sam.: it seems
[4/7/2014 12:22:55 PM] Nathan (njc3): i offer to help because i'm in a position to, i don't want any for myself
[4/7/2014 12:23:13 PM] Sam.: nathan dont need the tribe, the tribe needs nathan (cool)
[4/7/2014 12:23:25 PM] cinders0407: You are part of a tribe, use it. Do not sit there and bitch about us giving preference to others.
[4/7/2014 12:23:32 PM] cinders0407: You want to be part of it then be part of it.
[4/7/2014 12:23:52 PM] Dan (Mad): who are we apparently giving preference too?
[4/7/2014 12:23:58 PM] cinders0407: Do not moan about the op we have set up and say you will not get involved. Get involved, moan to me on skype or in game then we help you out.
[4/7/2014 12:24:07 PM] Nathan (njc3): i wasn't bitching, i was pointing it out... if i were vying for the tribe's help i might care, but i don't
[4/7/2014 12:24:10 PM] cinders0407: Alpha players and logboss reading some of that.
[4/7/2014 12:24:30 PM] cinders0407: It is not true though Nathan.
[4/7/2014 12:24:44 PM] cinders0407: We do not give a preference to anyone.
[4/7/2014 12:24:50 PM] Nathan (njc3): it may not be, but you know all those "people" that have been complaining to everyone but you?
[4/7/2014 12:25:00 PM] Nathan (njc3): maybe they can easily misconstrue that as the truth
[4/7/2014 12:25:10 PM] Nathan (njc3): and maybe THAT is what you need to communicate more effectively to the tribe

at the end of the day, this :icon_rolleyes: proves that "despite" differences of opinion, playing style, attitude, language and overall harmony, ZIPS has proven that it, and the players within, work together when push comes to shove. Outside help or not, past or present ... that cannot be disputed.

it is conceded:

EGO won (almost) every fight they fought ... good work
EGO had little or no help in their wars ... fine
ZIPS has had help in every fight they've fought ... great
ZIPS leadership isn't all that and a packet of jelly babies ... matter of opinion, but ok

can we just get on with the task(sssssss) at hand now?

 

[DeletedUser103075]

Dirty laundry gets washed in family home.

Also all this arguing is totally off topic.

It already hurts to see cinders to have to defend Zips from a fellow zips member in general, but seeing it here is deplorable.

 

[nowitsover]

Free prem for anyone who post on topic! (Marco`s paying )

Nah, but really, next on topic gets 100 PPz from me.

 

[DeletedUser]

:icon_rolleyes: this is exhausting.

 

[DeletedUser]

Free prem for anyone who post on topic! (Marco`s paying )

Nah, but really, next on topic gets 100 PPz from me.

I'll bite

In interest of ensuring we don't have a revisionist situation happening with the history of the world:

Although Cinders is correct when he states that ZIPs did better against our tribe then Ego and Smoke, he (and Smoke) are missing one important piece:

We had a fork put in is by our own people leaving. That enabled ZIPs to do well against us. Had that part not happened, ZIPs wouldn't have had the success that they had

With that being said, being I was one who was on the front line and knew what was happening first hand, ZIPs did do a hell of a job moving their warriors to the front line during .....even if it was off of the backs of the cowards we know as EGO

So if I was to rank as most warrior tribe, and one that caused the most damage, it would be:

1) ZIPs
2) Smoke (and a very distant 2 I might add)
3) Ego (shouldn't be on the list lol)

BUT....

If I differentiated between Smoke and ex-KOCers, then the list would be:

1) Ex-KOC
2) ZIPs
3) Ego (strictly cause of Tag and a couple of his cohorts)
4) Smoke (about as inept as they come)

 

[nowitsover]

Toll, you shoulda answered the questions at the first post of the thread to be on topic (?..)
Sending prem anyway just for the hell of it xD

 

[DeletedUser]

My attempts to let people have a productive offtopic discussion have been met with the most pointless of pissing contests. And just to clear this up, anybody who tries to continue that discussion, or start another one in a similar vein, will get at least one infraction point on their record.

However, since this world is in endgame phase, I have endgame moderation standards - which means productive offtopic discussions are totally OK. But stick to the point, instead of whining about wording, meanings of words, intent, and other pointless distractions.

-Wolf