Hello everyone,
Sorry for the late post. I would like to take a moment to congratulate ESLL for making his first ever war cap in this war on 21st May 2015. I believe there are players who were eagerly waiting for it to happen.
At this point some of you may be like "Wait? What this is about?"
So let me give you a recap. Sorry for my really long post. I tend to write long but less cryptic to avoid explaining to people later.
In this post, I will be using data from in-game war system & TWStats. All the players of top 4 tribes have direct access to the former source to see by themselves. Still I will be putting links to screenshots of them. (sorry not putting images direct, too much work) Those are mainly for people like Wittman who actively participate in forums. I don't intend to make any point to him or others by showing those screenshots, but as a respect to their activity in the forum, I don't want to leave them out from access to information which hinders their participation.
Few days ago following was posted in this thread
First of all, I would like to state that North is doing really a good job. Their teamwork and efforts are extra-ordinary and they deserve credit for that. Their work is quite a good watch and learning opportunity for many others players (like me) in this world.
At the end of day 11th May, 2016 when above post by ESLL was made,
Summary war stats -
http://prntscr.com/b9bz9w
Please do not forget that when I post stats, sides are reversed therefore my side has red -3 which indicates 3 losses overall in the war.
Tribe-wise war stats -
http://prntscr.com/b9bzlo
As you can see North is at the top number of conquers wise. (results of their hard work) And TNub is nearly washing away all their efforts. (Well they were Flood at one point of time so "Wash It Away") You can say likewise for Loading if you want to.
So moving towards the bottom of table, if we see number of losses, then Loading & TNub has very high amount of losses as if both tribes are trying to be rank 1 at number of lost villages. And looks like Loading is winning that battle. (1126 - 1064). (that hurts me really!)
Yeah, surely that's how it looks. But is that a clear picture of this war? Are these stats totally unaltered by various methods?
Now I am in Rhythm, I don't have much interaction with North on war front. From the little knowledge I have, I know that lord zlane from Loading had deleted account and Unforgiven was kicked from North. Conquers on both which were made after those events are not in war stats. Due to my lack of knowledge, I am no one to give you full picture of any alteration of war stats made by those 2 tribes. So I would refrain myself from including those 2 tribes in further discussion. If someone from North or Loading would want to make a post on it then its upto them. (They don't need to post it for me.)
So looking at Rhythm & TNub.
This war started 3rd Feb 2016. So taking data from TWStats after that date,
There are 11 players who were kicked from Rhythm.
- 8 of them were fully internalled before they were kicked. (0 villages left).
- 1 of them had some villages left but all were nobled by Rhythm.
- Remaining 2 turned barb due to inactivity. None of the barbs were nobled by TNub.
From TNub side, (not going into full details just few mentions)
On 7th April, LordLordCalvin was kicked from TNub at ~2 mil points. After getting kicked he lost 104 villages to Rhythm.
On 28th April, Rankorn was kicked at ~1.3 mil points. After getting kicked he lost 105 villages to Rhythm.
Ignoring other players in TNub who had small amounts of such losses to Rhythm after getting kicked (like Emperor Dorian), above 2 players were not inactive after getting kicked. Troops were being moved, trains were sniped/blocked and villages were being internalled by TNub. Some of the TNub war caps are just recaps on these Rhythm caps. Considering those recaps are in the war stats, by all means caps from above should also be included in war stats. In the end there doesn't seem to be any reason to kick them other than to save war stats.
So if I take sum of above numbers which is 209 caps from TNub which are not part of war stats because TNub kicked those players. Which simply means that, they don't have any lead. They are actually in 200+ losses.
Yeah stats certainly look in your favour after all the things (other than nobling enemy villages) you did to make it look better for you.
The current stats for the records - at the time of posting this -
http://prntscr.com/b9c4l4
There is a small part in above stats which we will revisit at the end of the post. (called "The Surprise Ending"
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Moving to next part,
Genko did withstand op from Rhythm. Though it wasn't tribe op, just 4-5 players attacking him. But if you want to call it Rhythm op to make yourself proud then sure go ahead. On another note, AceZSpades sat Genko account during the op. Exact timings I don't know. The only information I have is this -
http://prntscr.com/b9ckyo
After reading that mail, I was not too much surprised at the failure. Ryan knows this game well and a skilled player. If I knew before op that Ace is going to sit, failure would have been my expectation even before the op landing.
But let’s look the details of this op and TNub op on Rhythm.
If someone hasn’t noticed, then there is `In a day` section in Ranking (in game) which tells personal records of players for daily awards.
At present table for units defeated while defending looks something like this -
http://prntscr.com/b9c5g8
As you can see Genko is ranked 11 there with ~2.5 mil troops kill on 7th May. ESLL surely can confirm that was the date when "Rhythm op" landed on Genko. According to TW stats he lost 1 village to Rhythm in the op. (on 7th May Genko lost 1 village to Rhythm and gained 1 village from Rhythm, though the gain was just a recap on ex-Rankorn village and un-related to Genko op). By all means, a failed op. Rhythm lost so many nukes just to noble 1 village, which is very costly. (May be I should kick those players.)
If you look at the above table, then at the top there is a Rhythm player liwu629 who has ~9.7 mil troop kill on 29th April. That was the day when TNub landed op on him. For the records, TNub could not land all nukes on liwu on 29th. Some of them landed on day before and after too. As a matter of fact liwu won defender award on 28th April too with about 1 mil troop killed as defender. If we check TWStats for villages lost by liwu on 29th April, there is 1 loss which was recapped 18 mins later. You may argue that it may have been just clearing day and nobling could have happened in following days. According to TWStats, liwu did not lose any village to TNub in next full week.
So you lost more than 3x troops than Rhythm, you had more players participating in the op than Rhythm (at that number of players and scale of attacks, I would call it tribe op), and you could not even noble & keep 1 village like we did. Your op was as successful as ours (or even worse).
Just side note: In the next week after the op landing, liwu nobled villages from BASH. According to their tribe profile (which has not been updated even though LLC is gone) BASH is basher tribe for TNub. You can find more examples of this in TWStats with player movements or internals. For reference, here is the screenshot of tribal profile -
http://prntscr.com/b9c834
As you know BASH are not part of this war so these caps are not going to appear in war stats either.
The Surprise Ending
You may be wondering by now yeah all above is fine but it still doesn't make any sense about my first statement. So let’s dive into that.
As mentioned earlier this official war started on 3rd Feb 2016. If I check war stats till 11th May (when ESLL posted above), this is what player-wise war stats look like. (well bottom of it actually)
http://prntscr.com/b9cac6
Now from what I know ESLL plays on Liii account, if you ignore the rank (I don't know how it sorts amongst players when the number of caps are same), you can clearly see 0-0 against Liii's name. That means he has not gained or lost any village in war (in more than 3 months of war). The main reason he has not lost any village to Rhythm is, he has only 1 death star village in Rhythm area. He was nowhere close to frontline anywhere else. He got some villages in K56 but he is nicely hiding behind Bloody Purity. As for the gains, let’s see how much nobling he has done during that time.
According to TWStats during above period (3rd February to 11th May 2016) Liii had,
398 - Total Conquers
015 - Self Conquers
210 - Barbs below 2.5k points
007 - Barbs above 2.5k points
085 - Conquers from TNub - Internals
002 - Conquers from Ex-TNub players. Internals only but players were kicked before nobling villages
052 - Conquers from ESLL as part of merger
027 - Conquers from other players for which he may have fought to gain village
So basically out of 383 villages he gained, 349 (~91%) came from small point barbs, internals & merger. And still in 3 months of war he did not even get a frontline with Loading/Rhythm.
Side note: At the time of Op on liwu, Liii did not send any nuke to him. Instead he sent nukes at me which landed 6 days before the op on liwu and which made no difference on that op. So neither he participated nor he indirectly helped in his tribe op.
So if we put everything together,
- North is nobling at phenomenal rate (in ESLL's own words)
- TNub made alteration to war stats by about 200+ villages by kicking their players
- TNub shows Rhythm that our op failures are as good as theirs
And after all this, North+TNub gets lead of just 3 villages in which
- Liii played no direct part in nobling any enemy village
- Even though being pretty active at nobling he did not come to frontline to fight instead took mostly easy villages
- Liii did not even help his tribe by nuking in the tribe op
If a North player had posted above stats would still have made sense. They have given effort and they should be proud of it.
So I really wonder why ESLL feels refreshing about above stats when he has literally done nothing for it directly.
Therefore after all these happened, when he made first war cap at 109th day in the war, I really like to highlight such huge event. It is really very refreshing to see him fighting in game and not just on forums.
P.S. There is another thread in the forum where people may be expecting a post from me. Please keep that matter to that thread only and don't bring in this thread. I will post on the other thread when I get permission & time to write.
