Wheggs stands up for W47...

grummit

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Aww doggystyle, it's just goshdarn terrible that you think i'm scum, it really hurts my feelings :(

Alright, here's my argument (go ahead point and laugh):

1rst:
like someone said before, he used too many rams. With 0% luck 219 rams are enough.

2nd:

The village has 7.7k points so i'm guessing that both the stables and barracks are maxed.

It takes ~21 days to build 9k axes and almost 15 days to build those horses. That means his stables have been doing nothing for 6 days.

3rd:

LC > MA, even when people use a fair amount of archers. If he had used LC instead of MA he would've lost less.

And thats why i wondered why he was bragging.

I think he needs more rams. Chuckles put more rams plz 500+. More axes and more MA.
 

grummit

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The tribe does have the biggest boob I ever met (Grum) Glad to see the restart has paid off for you!!

also this has gone on without a response long enough.

Don't be jealous that my account is made of pure win and yours is not :p. But you are right I am a big boob. As for the restart someone has to take on the noob tribes and show them what TW is really like.
 

DeletedUser

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More rams wouldn't be bad if it was meant to be a wallbreaker, although at this stage and as a clearing nuke its a waste. Using the excess on cats or just cranking out more LC are far better options. Since the village was a pop bonus and probably built up from 1500 pts its understandable that the first build through could be a little off but especially if taking the low mines approach, going LC heavy to maximize farming beats the axe oriented approach.

Really its, the number of rams though makes no sense. The kinds of stacks where wall busters become effective are still far away and 350ish rams is insufficient to be useful. Even with the ram weapon you are more effective with a lower number of rams.

I don't think this was meant to be a serious "my nuke is da best" post. Seeing some of the people trying to come up with defenses and slinging insults over the value of this build is ridiculous.

Getting back on topic, its nice to see that wheggs is upping its members' game. Astonishing improvement over the last attack.

Attacker: Etroupie
Origin: 3.Steelers Country!!!* (557|277) K25

Quantity: 0 0 2000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 2000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 

DeletedUser

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Getting back on topic, its nice to see that wheggs is upping its members' game. Astonishing improvement over the last attack.

Attacker: Etroupie
Origin: 3.Steelers Country!!!* (557|277) K25

Quantity: 0 0 2000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 2000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

i knew KeepItClean's account is still being used. Did you ever considered that someone is just suiciding his troops for strategic reasons?

P.S. sometimes it helps to use twstats to understand the whole picture and not just bits of it.
 

DeletedUser

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i knew KeepItClean's account is still being used. Did you ever considered that someone is just suiciding his troops for strategic reasons?

P.S. sometimes it helps to use twstats to understand the whole picture and not just bits of it.

As opposed to tactical reasons like actually killing troops?
 

Bloodhood

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Two points to be made:

- The increased population due to its bonus and low resource building nature decreases the ratio of offense:rams (especially if that paladin increases the offense of axes or LC). This means that the opportunity cost of more axes or LC is lower. If you actually try it out in the simulator for say a 12K/12K defence, it actually has more worth as a nuke with more rams.

- Having a high amount of rams can be very useful, especially in this high population village. One of the most effective strategies in offense is taking out troops on a low wall. Stick more rams in an offense where you won't have as much damage to the ratio of offense to rams, and then follow up with a number of nukes, taking out defence easily and effectively. Send 4 nobles from different points with only the tiniest of escorts at different times from different villages to ensure the player either decides to lose the village or stack. Leaving a follow up nuke after the last noble if he does dodge and try to snipe with his own noble. A very effective way of taking out a players main core of defence.

Hence why I said:

That is one sexy nuke.
 

DeletedUser

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Two points to be made:

- The increased population due to its bonus and low resource building nature decreases the ratio of offense:rams (especially if that paladin increases the offense of axes or LC). This means that the opportunity cost of more axes or LC is lower. If you actually try it out in the simulator for say a 12K/12K defence, it actually has more worth as a nuke with more rams.

- Having a high amount of rams can be very useful, especially in this high population village. One of the most effective strategies in offense is taking out troops on a low wall. Stick more rams in an offense where you won't have as much damage to the ratio of offense to rams, and then follow up with a number of nukes, taking out defence easily and effectively. Send 4 nobles from different points with only the tiniest of escorts at different times from different villages to ensure the player either decides to lose the village or stack. Leaving a follow up nuke after the last noble if he does dodge and try to snipe with his own noble. A very effective way of taking out a players main core of defence.

Hence why I said:

Wallbusters aren't efficient other than for decreasing build time in the situation you described. If you are capable of dropping the wall multiple levels on the first nuke then you are better off going offense heavy rather than ram heavy. Its only when you reach stacks where walls remain at 20 through multiple nukes that wallbusters are useful. When you get very large nukes, extra troops do significantly more damage. Against a 12/12/12 stack you get nearly a 1:1 kill ratio for additional offense at the top end, which is huge when you consider that the whole nuke has less than a 50% kill ratio.

Further, in that situation you would be much better losing 2 regular size nukes first rather than sending them after the bonus. The downside to bonuses is the much longer rebuild time so using them to clear means all three nukes are ready to use around the same time rather than being staggered out.
 

grummit

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How about we say we use more axes when we need axes. More LC when we need more LC. More rams when we need more rams. Regardless the nuke was decent and chuckles has used it. So I say stop talking about chuckle and his nuke and focus talk about wheggs. Particularly me and my account of pure win.
 

chucklefang

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Aww doggystyle, it's just goshdarn terrible that you think i'm scum, it really hurts my feelings :(

Alright, here's my argument (go ahead point and laugh):

1rst:
like someone said before, he used too many rams. With 0% luck 219 rams are enough.

2nd:

The village has 7.7k points so i'm guessing that both the stables and barracks are maxed.

It takes ~21 days to build 9k axes and almost 15 days to build those horses. That means his stables have been doing nothing for 6 days.

3rd:

LC > MA, even when people use a fair amount of archers. If he had used LC instead of MA he would've lost less.

And thats why i wondered why he was bragging.


Herp derp you are neglecting a few things.


1rst:(lol) I chose that many rams on purpose. It was my choice because I have horrible morale in my area. That means the faster get walls down the better. With that many rams, it would take quite a bit to stop it from tearing down the walls.

2nd: That village was my only gray I have taken this world. Meaning I got it at a measly 1.5k points. As soon as I nobled it I whored the hq up to 24 (as the picture shows) then I worked the rax up from 8 to 25. (Along the way of course I did a few farm lvls) In this process the stables were left as is for a few days. That being lvl 13. This whole time both rax and stable pumping out troops. Why not make my first nuke with that village a power house with axes since I had plenty of time to whore them as I was building the village up? Pound for pound axes have a higher damage per pop used anyway.

3rd In my area of the world people like archers. It was another conscious choice on my part to make a few MA and throw them in there. My choice not yours. Until you farm for me, clear my villages, buy my premmy, and make my choices, I will build my villages how I want. You stay in your villages and I will stay in mine. ;)
 
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DeletedUser

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1rst: You have a point

2nd: Stables pump out more offense/hour even if you have the battleaxe. They also improve farming possibiities. So why the rax first?

3rd: Like i said,even if people use a fair ammount of archers, LC does a better job than MA.
 

grummit

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1rst: You have a point

2nd: Stables pump out more offense/hour even if you have the battleaxe. They also improve farming possibiities. So why the rax first?

3rd: Like i said,even if people use a fair ammount of archers, LC does a better job than MA.

Like he said it is his nuke and his village.
 

DeletedUser

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Aww doggystyle, it's just goshdarn terrible that you think i'm scum, it really hurts my feelings :(

Alright, here's my argument (go ahead point and laugh):

1rst:
like someone said before, he used too many rams. With 0% luck 219 rams are enough.

2nd:

The village has 7.7k points so i'm guessing that both the stables and barracks are maxed.

It takes ~21 days to build 9k axes and almost 15 days to build those horses. That means his stables have been doing nothing for 6 days.

3rd:

LC > MA, even when people use a fair amount of archers. If he had used LC instead of MA he would've lost less.

And thats why i wondered why he was bragging.

Douchebag, I have even used nukes with 750rams before on w6 and other worlds and that was always for a good reason. Every nuke can be used in some situations. Even a 20k axe nuke. I never built a 20k axe nuke before, but if a defender has 20k spears, then 20k axes would be a good nuke in that situation. Now, the situation of someone having 20k spears is very unlikely, so that is why building a 20k axe nuke wouldn't be very smart, but in later stages of the game, ppl can often stack their villages with dozens of full defensive villages. In that case, it is not more efficient to kill more troops with the first nuke(s), but to lower the wall more, so that the next nukes will kill more troops.

Now, 219 rams destroys a lvl 20 wall, but only in the case that there are no, or few defenders. If the village is well defended or even stacked, then a nuke with 300 rams, will lower the walls more then a 219 ram nuke. All in all, after the 200 - 300k stage, I never built a nuke again with less then 300 rams after extensive researching.

I am not saying I agree with the nuke, I would have made alot less axes, alot more MA and some extra LC aswell. More like 6.5k axes, 3.2k LC 700-1k MA and 300-350 rams, depending on how much would fit. And in later stages of the game(around the millions), the rams would increase up to 500 at least and I would make it a spearhead nuke.
 

DeletedUser

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Damn, i'm a douchebag. Even YOU have used nukes with 750 rams. 700-1k MA, thats just awesomeness. And 20k axes would only take ~48 days to build. I'd definately would have my stables doing nothing if i'd encountered some spears even if i could hit the village with 3 regular nukes from the same village within 48 days instead.

I'm not saying he can't build a nuke like that, after all it's his village. I just think it isn't brag-material.
 

DeletedUser89429

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Damn, i'm a douchebag. Even YOU have used nukes with 750 rams. 700-1k MA, thats just awesomeness. And 20k axes would only take ~48 days to build. I'd definately would have my stables doing nothing if i'd encountered some spears even if i could hit the village with 3 regular nukes from the same village within 48 days instead.

I'm not saying he can't build a nuke like that, after all it's his village. I just think it isn't brag-material.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.
 

chucklefang

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I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.


I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.


I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.


I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.

I think the point of the picture was to show that his nuke was in fact bigger (due to the farm bonus) than the rest, not bragging about his nuke build or anything like that.


We have a winrar.
 

King Matt II

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We have a winrar.

Oh thanks. :icon_redface:

The two pages of arguing about it was getting out of hand so I thought I'd share my common sense with the rest. :D

And yes I'm Watercolour I'm too lazy to switch back to that forum account. :3
 
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