So who's playing?

[DeletedUser84793]

hell i thought i had a huge ego..this guy takes the cake..claims to create AXES..I was in AXES but yet never heard of him...claims to be better then most players here..but yet never heard of him..claims the most villages he had was 60 to 70 villages and made it to 1 million points but yet he's an apex predator! this guy takes the cake i tell ya! only in tribal wars...i feel for these types of players..they seek the attention but not deserving to be on the world stage...sad case of self building...because they lack other to speak of their name....i could think of so many players i could mention that would blow this guy away...so many! hell even some of my enemy's has a better record...but yet so many..no i think ALessonInPointWhoring is in fact a good player..but he lacks the respect he should have for other great players in this game..which makes him the biggest noob of all time...xxstealthyxx vs ALessonInPointWhoring maybe? if i see this bum on the field of play..I will see how good he really is...lol

 

[DeletedUser120160]

Dude you can't compare yourself to any of them players when a) no one knows who you are and b) you haven't ever played late game

 

[a.K.a elmoo]

Luckily, we have this world, so everyone can show off his/her skills. 24/7 accs wont have farming advantages, so it will be about strategy and skill mostly

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

Dude you can't compare yourself to any of them players when a) no one knows who you are

Those are all players I've played with on dozens of worlds. As for no one knowing who I am....just lol. I was at one time arguably the most well known player on TribalWars, anyone who's played for a long time and has read the forums knows exactly who I am.

h0llyghost has the oldest forum account of anyone posting on this worlds forums, when I claimed to be better than Jamm in the other thread he didn't even try to refute the claim from a technical aspect, he just said he liked Jamm more for personality reasons. I'm not some unknown player who's never stood out from the crowd, I hold numerous ingame records, was a staff member for years, have taught hundreds of players 1 on 1, and have written guides that have been read by thousands of players.

 

[DeletedUser84793]

don't you hate it when you try to show some decent attitude to someone and they just bluntly and rudely say something uncalled for..like calling me a mouse compared to his great so called game play...it kills me i tell ya...people like this has no friends i dont think...who wants to line them self's up with this kind of blindness...hell guys on here i fight with i never say im better then them...or their not worthy...i really hope i run into this guy..i beg to differ from his thoughts..

 

[DeletedUser84793]

Those are all players I've played with on dozens of worlds. As for no one knowing who I am....just lol. I was at one time arguably the most well known player on TribalWars, anyone who's played for a long time and has read the forums knows exactly who I am.

h0llyghost has the oldest forum account of anyone posting on this worlds forums, when I claimed to be better than Jamm in the other thread he didn't even try to refute the claim from a technical aspect, he just said he liked Jamm more for personality reasons. I'm not some unknown player who's never stood out from the crowd, I hold numerous ingame records, was a staff member for years, have taught hundreds of players 1 on 1, and have written guides that have been read by thousands of players.

please dont start comparing your self to h0llyghost..i know who he is and may i say he a killer in this game! your just a joke...anyways im done speaking on this..you cant fix stupid so i wont even try..good day to you sir...hope you prove me wrong..ill be looking forward to it..lol

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

please dont start comparing your self to h0llyghost..i know who he is and may i say he a killer in this game! your just a joke...anyways im done speaking on this..you cant fix stupid so i wont even try..good day to you sir...hope you prove me wrong..ill be looking forward to it..lol

I wouldn't compare myself to h0lly, I'm a much more skilled player than he is - and he knows it. h0lly's known for leading tribes and being fun, no offense to him, he's a cool guy, but he'd never be in a discussion of the most skilled players.

If your goal is to fix stupid I suggest finding a psychiatrist. The problem is internal, not external.

Being nice is overrated. Being accurate is all that matters, if you can't handle blunt criticisms get off the internet.

 

[DeletedUser84793]

I wouldn't compare myself to h0lly, I'm a much more skilled player than he is - and he knows it. h0lly's known for leading tribes and being fun, no offense to him, he's a cool guy, but he'd never be in a discussion of the most skilled players.

If your goal is to fix stupid I suggest finding a psychiatrist. The problem is internal, not external.

Being nice is overrated. Being accurate is all that matters, if you can't handle blunt criticisms get off the internet.

wow! please tell me i just did not read this....holly is a great player! man your really over the top here...my jaw just dropped on this comment...are you an idiot? really? that's bold! no respect at all...sad their is players out their that over looks greatness as if they dont matter...Just wow!

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

How about actually asking h0lly? He's known me for years, I highly doubt he'd refute anything I have said.

 

[Deleted User - 10770065]

Look Nauz, you're a great startup player no doubt. But startup is just one part of the game. If you're just going to paint all the players who make it past early game as people who just have "dedication" then that is simply ignorant. If that's the case, then what's so impressive with being super active and thus farming an absurd amount during the first few weeks of the world and nobling noobs around you? Is that more impressive than a player who fights tough wars, defends ops well, participate in ops well, rimming enemies, assisting tribemates? Not in my books.

Also, one thing I will agree with is that the rank spots late game value does decrease for sure. But that also depends on the context of the world. There has been times in the late game that players are more "dedicated" than others towards the end, over those who had a major part in winning the world and noble more later when it doesn't matter as much. But the world knows who were the hard carries of that world anyway.

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

If you're just going to paint all the players who make it past early game as people who just have "dedication" then that is simply ignorant.

I have the utmost respect for people that dominate every stage of the game. I have no respect for those that barely get by early on and then grow fat off internals and barbs.

If that's the case, then what's so impressive with being super active and thus farming an absurd amount during the first few weeks of the world and nobling noobs around you?

That's not what startup is about.
As I explained earlier, the reason I love startup is that errors matter, and any small error can get you rimmed. The most successful starts begin not with nobling noobs around you, but with killing anyone near you that poses a threat. One of my most successful starts was a world were I was rank 3 prior to nobling, and then rimmed both rank 1 and 2 as the worlds first two conquers.

I had a tribemate near me, I told him to rush nobles, I did as well. We each sent 2 nobles at rank 1 with our nuke split in half, as soon as they returned we re-sent them at rank 2. He got one village I took the other.

Is that more impressive than a player who fights tough wars, defends ops well, participate in ops well, rimming enemies, assisting tribemates? Not in my books.

All of that exists in early-game, the scale changes, but the actual actions are the same ones just repeated over and over.

 

[Metal Duck]

Though Metal Duck commenting on .uk's CM reminded me of this, https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-stole-24k-charity-spent-8157809

That is Tracey, the former CM of .uk. Super classy lady.

Ha! Never liked her.

It doesn't, I don't rate you at all. I'd never even compare you and I. My comparables are Jamm, Purple Predator, Murderous Mouse, JChilds, Hoodoo, Robj, Lardingd, Muldie, Dentarthurdent, Hoang, Hasoona, etc. We're all apex predators. You're a mouse. I concern myself with competing with other apex predators, not food.

The same Purple Predator that was proven to be an ingame cheat? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the players listed were cheats too.

1 vs. 1 I beat anyone in this game. Full stop.

 

[DeletedUser95593]

what about metal duck vs metal duck? Who beats who in that situation.

Please tell us we're all dying to know...

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

what about metal duck vs metal duck? Who beats who in that situation.

Please tell us we're all dying to know...

Probably Metal Duck, but the loser isn't Metal Duck. The loser is everyone else that'd have to read the thread about MD's victory over himself.

 

[DeletedUser95593]

I'd have to disagree. Whilst you are the better player im sure, he is far more entertaining on the externals.

That's all that really matters at the end of the day...

 

[Deleted User - 10770065]

I have the utmost respect for people that dominate every stage of the game. I have no respect for those that barely get by early on and then grow fat off internals and barbs.




That's not what startup is about.
As I explained earlier, the reason I love startup is that errors matter, and any small error can get you rimmed. The most successful starts begin not with nobling noobs around you, but with killing anyone near you that poses a threat. One of my most successful starts was a world were I was rank 3 prior to nobling, and then rimmed both rank 1 and 2 as the worlds first two conquers.

I had a tribemate near me, I told him to rush nobles, I did as well. We each sent 2 nobles at rank 1 with our nuke split in half, as soon as they returned we re-sent them at rank 2. He got one village I took the other.



All of that exists in early-game, the scale changes, but the actual actions are the same ones just repeated over and over.

I'm pretty sure everyone hates those who suck early game and then get big because of easy targets/internals/barbs, it's not just you. Don't get me wrong, a lot of noobs can make it to late game, no doubt. But that doesn't necessarily mean that all those that get to that stage are the same.

Startup to me is basically activity. The more active you are, the better you can do. Sure, you have to play more careful and every move matters more but it's generally just out-farming your area then killing them as consequence of your insane activity. I played my first startup haul world on W73 and I was extremely active and got rank 1 for a long time. It wasn't fun at all, being extremely active to play the game in a set period is not really a skill. Skill to me is being able to defeat any opponent that stands in your way whether offensively or defensively at any given time. That is why no hauls/limited hauls are my preference, because activity doesn't get you far, but skill does. Why should I have to compete with a guy who sits farming 24/7 but can't attack or defend for shit.

Also, startup attacking and defending is non comparable to mid/late game attacking and defending. How is timing nukes, nobles, supports to multiple villas or defending against a lot of nobles trains easier than what goes on in startup?

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

Also, startup attacking and defending is non comparable to mid/late game attacking and defending. How is timing nukes, nobles, supports to multiple villas or defending against a lot of nobles trains easier than what goes on in startup?

I typically have all of that happen during startup. I think the difference is most people tend to play with the mindset that you build up for a long time and then wage war, the people I've played with have tended to go to war early to kill their enemies before they have a chance to get big enough to have wars of attrition. The scale certainly changes, it's more time consuming to fight wars later on, since you're doing each of those things more times, but those are still skills you need to consistently do well in early-game wars.

I think to people that get to 100 villages and then begin to attack their enemies startup is boring, but that doesn't have to be the way it's played. I find it more rewarding to crush my opponents before they have a chance to get big enough to wage a "proper" war. Early-game wars are usually far more crushing and decisive than lategame wars.

Example - W32 Hate vs. iP

They were both premades, they both started in the northwest. Hate. was rank 1, iP was rank 2. Most people expected they'd both grow for a while and then later have a major war. That didn't happen (okay, it did, but Hate.'s plan was to prevent that). Hate. rushed cats, and catted iP into the stone age, targeting smithies first so iP couldn't make cats of their own to retaliate. The first few members of Hate. to reach nobles then used their nobles on iP in an op that rimmed iP's largest members. iP promptly waved the white flag and the entire premade restarted to the rim, where they made it back to rank 2 and fought Hate. again. They lost the second time too, but the second war lasted much longer. Many times when you kill a tribe like that early on they aren't going to restart and fight you again later, and the early victory will save you from having to endure a grueling war later down the line.

 

[DeletedUser]

I feel like Hate. vs. iP though, Hate. were far better of a tribe and had the advantage regardless.

 

[Deleted User - 10770065]

I typically have all of that happen during startup. I think the difference is most people tend to play with the mindset that you build up for a long time and then wage war, the people I've played with have tended to go to war early to kill their enemies before they have a chance to get big enough to have wars of attrition. The scale certainly changes, it's more time consuming to fight wars later on, since you're doing each of those things more times, but those are still skills you need to consistently do well in early-game wars.

I think to people that get to 100 villages and then begin to attack their enemies startup is boring, but that doesn't have to be the way it's played. I find it more rewarding to crush my opponents before they have a chance to get big enough to wage a "proper" war. Early-game wars are usually far more crushing and decisive than lategame wars.

Example - W32 Hate vs. iP

They were both premades, they both started in the northwest. Hate. was rank 1, iP was rank 2. Most people expected they'd both grow for a while and then later have a major war. That didn't happen. Hate. rushed cats, and catted iP into the stone age, targeting smithies first so iP couldn't make cats of their own to retaliate. The first few members of Hate. to reach nobles then used their nobles on iP in an op that rimmed iP's largest members. iP promptly waved the white flag and the entire premade restarted to the rim, where they made it back to rank 2 and fought Hate. again. They lost the second time too, but the second war lasted much longer. Many times when you kill a tribe like that early on they aren't going to restart and fight you again later, and the early victory will save you from having to endure a grueling war later down the line.

But if you rim a good opponent at startup and they restart on the other side of the world and grow again they win by default since you don't really play past early game, right? Also, since you rimmed that opponent at startup does that make you better than him? Not necessarily. Again, you were perhaps more active and therefore farmed more than him so therefore, your village was more well developed and obviously you have more troops. Beating that good player in mid-late game when he has hundreds/thousands of villages and thus restarting to the rim isn't viable anymore since the world will be decided at that particular moment, to me, is far more vital and important than rimming someone when they just had one village.

Again, not trying to discredit good startup players, there is certainly skill involved early, particularly decision making and what not, but just because you find success early on in the game, doesn't make you better players than those that go onto to achieve greatness and carry their tribes to a win.

 

[ALessonInPointWhoring]

But if you rim a good opponent at startup and they restart on the other side of the world and grow again they win by default since you don't really play past early game, right?

I wouldn't really consider that to be them winning. They might have a greater chance to win the world, but they still lost the encounter.

Also, since you rimmed that opponent at startup does that make you better than him? Not necessarily.

Oh, one off events definitely do not determine who is better. I consider consistency to be key.

Again, you were perhaps more active and therefore farmed more than him so therefore, your village was more well developed and obviously you have more troops.

I don't think that's the big variable to be honest. It's easy to beat someone who has more troops than you, especially since most people play O-heavy early on. It's more likely to be decided by catching someone offline, superior decision making, or by timing skills.

For example, the scenario I mentioned of rimming rank 1 as my first target.

I sent 2 nobles, he mailed me and called me a moron. He said I was an overly arrogant idiot for trying to noble him in two trips and that I'd learn to take him seriously after he backtimed me. He'd farmed more resources than me, he had about as many troops as me as well, IIRC he had more lc, I had more axes. The problem was he went all offense, and he underestimated me - or perhaps more accurately, he thought I underestimated him. I wasn't taking two trips, I'd never try to take two trips vs. a top player (except maybe if I was stacked and was trying to bait a backtime, but even then unlikely), I was in fact taking him more serious than if I'd sent a train. If I sent a train it'd be hard to have big enough escorts to prevent the death of my nobles if he split me, and I knew he'd probably split me because he was a speed player well known for his timing abilities, but he was arrogant, and rather than expect I had someone else sending 2 more nobles he assumed I was daft enough to try and take 2 trips.

The account in question was played by trapkid, Miggy, and Grant. Grant and Miggy are very well known, both been rank 1 numerous times, and are good players. I'm biased, I think I'm probably better than they are, but I'd never try and use that one world I rimmed them on as absolute proof of that.