So you can indeed use TWStats, it's actually an amazing tool, but jumping on assumptions is pretty annoying since as you said, "I am not really sure why we are talking about O2 if i am honest. But sure ill reply.", and I'll go for each tribe as you see fit.
TFBS: They were up for a massive tribe-wide op, with (at the time), 70% of our offence to hit them entirely. The Korean players managed to begin take villages and sniping TFBS trains, and they caught wind of our OP. In a move to save face, they backed right off and surrendered, offering up low-point accounts and recruitment for a full loss. 2 weeks later, they decided that they didn't want to take part on w102 as they wanted their own leadership and left the tribe. Since they, TFBS has been hitting LITD indiscriminately (as shown by stats). Up until a week or so ago, only former TFBS members were working with each other and nobling TFBS villages. They're now in full swing on w103, so they're pretty much out of w102.
The Hype situation ties hand-in-hand with John09, the spastic of Tribalwars. When John left Hype, it was due to "massive disagreements with leadership". Because of this, and surprising to your claims of the 9th till the 22nd, we were actively defending the John09 account from Hype. They weren't happy, at all. hellosica lost upwards of 60 nukes in under 10 days to the account. In the process of easing the Hype front to actually fight O2 properly, John joined another account and he went bipolar, spent all the pp, sent the troops on 60 hour trips, and attempted to lock the original owner out of the account. This didn't work as planned, but he was removed and pretty much burnt in that instant. He's made a target of himself for future worlds, essentially.
The Hype front was settled and we moved to attack O2 and then suddenly... Mails from O2 showing an attempted alliance, as well as recruitment of Hype members, began to emerge. Your little secret attempt at an alliance surfaced and it showed again, not just Xiyie, but O2 wanted to violate the NAP... For the third time... And then O2 launched on Lloyd. It's almost like you're deflecting tribal actions as results of rogue members. Honestly, it's annoying.
When O2 fell apart, and to tie hand-in-hand with your comment of "people won't join MAD without you", it turns out that your little burn and churn idea of letting your "idle players" burn wasn't going to work. Some players noticed this instantly and left, while others tried to stay. There's a nice list of "players hiding under O2" that we decided to abuse and eat locally. Your northern players didn't follow up because of the lack of care for those members. If they were under attack, they received little support compared to the core group. We're not sure if it was planned, but lack of leadership in these matters showed that the north wasn't a concern of O2's. Your comments pretty much go hand-in-hand with what former members have already said. It's sad to see you try to turn it on them and blame part of the downfall of it.
MAD are indeed fighting, but barely. I'd like to point to the two faced Sidrial account. The people running it were baiting local players into bashing and expanding with him to then turn on them the moment they launch. He tried to self-op a Four/350 frontline player and it backfired majorly. He was then in-turn attacked by 3 Four members. MAD then kicked him and tried to eat what was left.
Rather then defending anything, MAD are just launching, abandoning and forgetting. We've seen more action out of Majestee who is a backliner then the entire tribe put together. Yet here we are, you bashing Four, making little remarks towards the poor attempt at fighting back. You also can't claim "fighting everyone else", since just 2 weeks ago MAD were flaunting the fact they took 40 villages from Kush without retaliation and the Kush are "doing nothing but internalling".
Backpedalling is bad in Tribalwars. It shows weakness.
You did not have to explain TFBS again, the point i was making is that they surrendered and your recruited most of them, then allowed them to leave and remake TFBS(while you internal them) because you needed room to recruit hype. recruit recruit recruit.
And yeah in regards to john09, just shows you guys using a player to soak up a bunch of nukes.
O2 never ever tried to recruit hype members, i am not sure what mails you have, but certainly none from leadership. There was talk of an alliance, but that never happened, we had a NAP for obvious reasons. And what are you on about breaking a NAP for the 3rd time lol.
The first time i can kind of understand. From what i can recall talking to makaveli and trent, is that they had a voice call in regards to a cooldown period with the NAP, this information was never passed onto me, and we rushed into the war with four to try and take advantage of the situation. Makaveli was not around during this part of the world. So i can see that now yes it was broken, but maybe get it put in writing next time lol. And in regards to my northern players, which you know nothing about the full story. But we Napped SPECTR, so that we could focus on Four (however they complained that they wanted to hit SPECTR) and so none of them truely took part in the war on Four, we only had the southern front hitting four and the only player really there to hit was Lloyd5. Which is why it very very quickly turned into a stalemate, Xiyie was on holiday (for the whole of the war). So when you guys recruited TFBS, we decided to push for a 'CEASEFIRE' (not a NAP) with a 3 day cooldown i believe, might of been longer, but no other terms. We also learnt at this time that Four had developed some relation with Spectr
So at this point Four only had hype to deal with, and Russway i think they were called. And hype had been in turmoil for a while at this point due to leadership issues with hype and Hype 2. So nothing really ever came from them, maybe 1 or 2 ops.
At this point, O2, we rushed to try and remove other tribes around us, SPECTR and Empire. So we decided to recruit from SPECTR to try and collapse them quick enough, as we were concerned Four would support them and try and stall us out. I mean from this point on we did not fight again, there was just always the possibility.
Moving further on to like the 22nd of august. We saw that you guys were recruiting Hype, at this point hype/MAD wanted us to join in as a coalition against Four. We rejected this at O2. We THOUGHT the fight between four and hype would last a while. So considered the possibility of us warring MAD, seeing as we had some border issues. And that we would get a nice NAP agreement in place with Four, with maybe turning it into an Alliance, as we firgured MAD and hype would help each other. So this is what we planned for, and i am sure spies for both MAD and Four could confirm this. So i think the NAP with four was set up with terms on the 25th.
Then on the 27th i think i found out that apparently Xiyie had broken these terms, and that Four considered the NAP with O2 Null and void, meanwhile MAD had planned the recruitment of Majestee. So O2 was facing a 2 front war. With a four tribe that just recruited pretty much all of Hype, and MAD. So i tried to make plans to stop both from happening. One was the gifting of Xiyie and the rest of K44 to Four, and trying to get the players around majestee ready for a fight, but sadly they were inactive, four recruited instead of nobling Xiyie
(yeah yeah i know it was voted on, but you hated him the whole world, and then just recruited him lol)
So the next idea was to maybe get the best into MAD, and give them an even fight, seeing as at this point they had taken all of hype recruits. But Trent could not even let this happen. I told him to recruit a few guys near him as i thought they deserved to live, but he damn recruited a fuck load
didnt want an even fight i guess.
Sorry for the block of text, i tried to break it up.
6LACK said:
I think Mr. TimeSplitter is forgetting the time back when we fought TEK family and their coalition (5 or 6 other tribes), CORE family, RSW, TFBS, Hype and Hype 2, and also o2/Avatar at the same time. We did not crack, and we certainly did not moan about it.
If you want to talk about us not fighting our way to this position please go and look at my own conquer history and you will see I have nobled from every single tribe listed above during the duration of our wars (bar TFBS as they were on the other side of my K). Every Four/350 member in here has pulled their weight in some way, shape or form, they've done a lot more than your eyes could possibly see.
We have given each tribe their fair share of action before any recruitment occurred. And just for reference if you look up on TWstats Exodus (this was originally o2/Avatar) you'll find that there are 210 tribe changes as opposed to 167 for Four. Sure, both are big numbers and i'm not going to argue that but you're sounding a little hypocritical there my friend. Link this in with your attempted merge into MAD (clearly some of your tribemates were not happy with that, unless you left them behind which would be even more shocking), and it looks to me like what you call our "recruit to win" strategy was also your idea.
You are running in circles mate, we went from fighting 10+ tribes at once to having the players in those tribes want to join us, quite interesting wouldn't you think being outnumbered back then and still having the upper hand, we stayed composed, we defended, we fought back. Now it looks like the tables have turned and it seems it's too much for you to handle.
Just take a quick look at MAD conquers since the war started and you'll see at least 50% of them are barbarians and at least 9 internals from MAD and CRAZY. I think the issue is bigger than you are letting on.
Anyway, i'm having fun and I hope you are too
- Tom
I think you are forgetting that Four and O2 only warred for 8 DAYS!!! 8!. The only people that got hit in this time was some noodle guy (you guys could not get support to him in time) and Lloyd5. who you managed to save. And hype hit one player, born ready. We were out of that war in no time. So you had 8 days of having it hard on you.
And yeah for a long time you fought Tek-Core family but most of that was done before we joined the war. We worked with them i think for 3 days, before we found them to be a pain in the arse. And started nobling them as soon as we had the ceasefire with you guys. At most i would say they were an annoyance more than much substantial. They mostly just defended more than attacked.
At the time of us hitting you between those 8 days
1776! - 45 members - 328K
V-C0RE - 10 members - 59K
COR3! - dead
RSM - 31 members - 265K
V-TEK! - 39 members - 160K
V-CORE - 43 members - 659K - main tribe
TFBS - 29 members - 519K
O2 - 40 members - 2.73mil
Hype - 44 members 2.82mil
Four - 2.98mil
Yes for these days i guess you had it rough. But after these 8 days, you can take O2 and TFBS off that list. And your looking pretty cushty. Seeing as hype and O2 were also hitting these other smaller tribes, because some of their members are so small it is insignificate, to really count them as anything other than that. They were hardly organised, just turtles.
And you cannot say any of the O2 or hype recruits really had much action, you just straight up recruited for the win, you cant deny that. Or in trents words. 'using his Korean connection' to end the war quick (because he thought O2 were going to hit him) So you ended it internally quick by just recruiting them all. So yeah you had a nice fight for a short time. But nothing in comparison as to what MAD is facing. Well i suppose % wise it is the same as what you faced. But the capabilities of what could be achieved then, to what can be achieved now has changed. And well MAD has been doing this longer than 8 days.
So you have not had it is tough as you make it out to be.
But anyway the point i was making is. You have just recruited to win for a while now. When i recruited in O2, i did it to try and stay even with the other top tribes, you have to keep up
Lastly ill take this from one of your own players profile
When many gang up on the few, they feel inferior. In that case the few already proven that they are the strongest. Whatever the outcome will be, the many can't claim victory deserved and will make the history books as cowards.
