Answer-Beyond merge, Ow! & the K23 factor

Shadryk 01

Still Going Strong
There is a post about the Beyond - Answer merge. Both halves are accused of tribal hugging and avoiding a war. Here are 2 elements:

First, Beyond & Answer were natural allies. Both had lots of room to expand and a clear border that neither side violated. They eliminated friction points by staying in their own Ks. They were of equal size. Larger threats brew to their South. War did not make sense.

The other key element is K23. The tribe Sense emerged as the top rim tribe of K23. Having about 20 empty roster spots, Answer pressed for a merged with Sense. I was a new member of Sense at the time. The leadership refused. Answer then recruited about 7 of the top players from Sense, who then turned on & attacked the rest and was joined with the might of answer.

Sense was outnumbered 3:1. There was an emergency shake-up with the sense leadership. About 15 members fled or were dismissed. But the remaining members rallied and killed all of the defectors, save one. With the players recruited by Answer dying or dead, it seemed likely that the resurgent Sense tribe could fight Answer to a stand-still, or overpower them.

....then Ow! started moving into K23 from the South. Gicusan (Sense) correctly realized they intended to run right over Sense. There was no way we could take on 2 enemies, each three times our size, and positioned on 2 different fronts. The only option was to merge with one tribe and fight the other. The leadership chose to merge with Ow! The fortified Ow tribe would very likely overrun Answer.

By this time, Answer & Beyond each had fewer than 20 members. To Beyond's credit, they avoided recruiting a bunch of trash players just to fill up a roster. Answer appeared to be identifying and culling bad members during the war effort, as well. There are also threats to Beyond and Answer to their South.

From my perspective, the merge of Beyond & Answer is the perfect solution and makes total sense. I can't find any fault with it. A tribe often does not know who their bad players are until a war hits. Answer leadership was apparently able to ID the deadwood, and calculated that it was better to walk away from them and beef up for a fight v. Ow! at the same time, while also steeling themselves against a potential war against a top tribe to their South.
 

ex cultu rex

Well-Known Member
+1 for what seems like one of the most sensibly written posts I've seen for a while. I knew nothing of the situation with Beyond and Answer before but this post has gone a long way to informing me.
 

Gicusan

Contributing Poster
Shad is talking about good decisions made by Answer leadership. Actually Answer leadership (Rampant and Dexa) quit the game upon losing their war against Sense underdogs -- ok, maybe a tribe containing me and Shadryk cannot be ever called "underdog" but anyway, early game is different.

OW-Sense merge is very different from Answer -Beyond one. First is a tribe that was winning deciding a merge, second is a losing and leaderless tribe joining Beyond ranks.

History being told, OW is slowly building itself into a regional power with aims to become an world power. Beyond is nothing more than a training session.
 
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Gicusan

Contributing Poster
I will double post as I was asked to do some stats.

Answer is disbanded but the score Sense + OW on them was something like 40+ to 17 or something along those lines while at the time when it was just Sense against them score was 20 to 14 or close to that. Not counting deleted accounts and we should if anyone bothered to search for them.

Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: Beyond

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 6
Side 2: 3
Difference: 3



Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 46,021
Side 2: 17,989
Difference: 28,032



Seems Answer is not disbanded but renamed so stats are since Sense joined OW:

Side 1:
Tribes: OW!
Side 2:
Tribes: OUT

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 20
Side 2: 3
Difference: 17



Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 157,975
Side 2: 15,539
Difference: 142,436

 
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xBloodxThiirstyx-

Contributing Poster
I think Beyond should be focusing on OW! other than a tribe 200 hours away :icon_razz:

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:lol::lol:
 

JustSayno

Active Member
I think Beyond should be focusing on OW! other than a tribe 200 hours away :icon_razz:

[spoil]***Noble*** 11/22 10:36:34 PM 646|296 saynotoEU 221:45:15 456.18 Dec 11 2011 10:07:04 34535958 002 Insanity (560|744) K75 saynotoEU on 02.12. at 04:21:49:819 221:42:46
***Noble*** 11/22 10:36:34 PM 646|296 saynotoEU 221:45:15 456.18 Dec 11 2011 10:07:04 34535959 002 Insanity (560|744) K75 saynotoEU on 02.12. at 04:21:49:996 221:42:46
***Noble*** 11/22 10:36:35 PM 646|296 saynotoEU 221:45:15 456.18 Dec 11 2011 10:07:05 34535960 002 Insanity (560|744) K75 saynotoEU on 02.12. at 04:21:50:146 221:42:47
***Noble*** 11/22 10:36:35 PM 646|296 saynotoEU 221:45:15 456.18 Dec 11 2011 10:07:05 34535961 002 Insanity (560|744) K75 saynotoEU on 02.12. at 04:21:50:439[/spoil]

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lol...now that is funny. That fool can't even send a tight train. He must have sent it during an earthquake!
 

Shadryk 01

Still Going Strong
oh so true you guys really were the only reason sense survived
Leaders can provide structure, strategy and accountability, but it is the players themselves who make it all happen. While many players were dismissed or fled, the remaining players did step up when called to do so. Teamwork wins wars. Not the personal performance of 1 or 2 players. Until the time that Answer merged with Beyond, I believe Gicusan & I personally only took 4 of the 23 villages captured by Sense.

Thx for spotlighting our contributions, tho. :)
 
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Gicusan

Contributing Poster
The hero of the Sense - Answer war is Bobby (iTzBobby). he defended hundreds of nukes and thousands of fakes and hundreds of nobles. he only lost 2 villas in 1 month of war and swiftly reconquered one of them. He did that with tribal support but mostly with his own troops. Answer guys called him iTzturtle but they were defeated as he stood firm there, destroying all their attempts to break trough while the other people moped the rest of the Answer targets in k23, behind his lines...

Now he is facing another wave from Beyond and he will, again, do just fine. You guys should not have picked him as the main target again :D
 

KillerKommando

Contributing Poster
You're basing your assumptions of my ability to play on.. What? :icon_neutral:

We've not had any dealings in the past, nor I believe have we played on any worlds together, least of all in the same tribe.