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d4m0

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I was replying to the idiot above who said "this whole gravity is a theory thing made me giggle" when as a matter of fact war lord had said nothing of the kind. Obviously any scientific 'laws' are just theories waiting to be disproven. They may never actually be debunked, but they still can't claim to be anything other than theories... this all generally goes without saying I really didn't think I needed to repeat it. Don't kids learn it in like grade five? I know I did.
 

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Wrong. We don't really know much about Gravity or even Energy for that matter, we only understand their obvious properties, other then that they are both a complete mystery to us. Talking about obvious properties, Mass happens to be a property, but we haven't been able to show anything ground breaking on it, so for the most part its also still a grey-area[FONT=century goth. [/FONT]

Also, If im not mistaken (kinda rusty in Physics, lol) about 50ish years ago scientists tried to research into why certain particles have Mass, for their research they used one of the most popular Theories in particle physics as their basis, the Standard Model. As a result of this, Peter Higgs and some other scientists came up with another Theory that ties with the Standard Model's principles, i believe the theory stated that there is a field that surrounds our cosmos which gives these particles their mass - it was named the Higgs field and in it i think there were tiny particles called the Higgs Boson particles. So once this theory was made it was up to the world's leading team of scientists to prove it. (a lot of things happened) then 50 years later they did a test in the CERN Large Hadron Collider (in 2012) and announced that they found what appears to be an unknown/new particle - there was lot of confusion over this because scientists at CERN said that it was not confirmed to be the Higgs Boson but more of a look-alike Higgs Boson...

Check out these articles:





Now the good news is that you are correct mate!, in 2013 CERN released some info saying that the particle was in fact the Higgs Boson, woohoo!.

...The bad news IMO, however, is that ALL of this research is based on a theory, the theory of the Standard Model, this is the same theory which cant even give a simple explanation as to why there is Gravity, Dark Energy or Dark Matter in the universe. Now you'd think what has this got to do with anything but these 3 things are fundamental to life in the universe, if you have a look on the NASA website, according to them 95% of our universe consists solely of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.....So ask yourself this, why is it that the standard model theory used for this research cannot prove a really large part of our universe, but it can prove that a tiny microscopic particle exists? Well anyway, that's the interesting part (yet confuses the hell out of me), enjoy thinking about it dude. :)


^^ Having blabbed on about all of this, lol.....i would like to reaffirm my original statement, does anyone here honestly believe we are capable of understanding the motives/thoughts/nature/whatever of a God who has created all of this, and much much more?

For the record your agnostic view is so ignorantly stated that even an agnostic such as myself is forced to comment in opposition. I can see you googled and attempted to feed me back your understanding of someones understanding in a non-peer-reviewed article, one from a totally illegitimate source, the one saying that it didnt explain gravity and the other form a half illigimate source "howstuffworks.com". Amusing yes, correct? No Annoying? Yes

Mainly because what you quoted was wrong, it's what they call research to validate an opinion you already have its useless. To do research you need an open mind. To show why you should read peer review articles I shall quote for you the leading scientists in the field, and while I do not claim to a physics expert, I am educated as a chemist, and likely understand more about how to understand what I reading in scientific articles than yourself, no offense is meant you seem intelligent enough to get the grasp if you were handed the proper tools, but as it stands you failed to do so.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269312008581 said:
The results presented here are consistent, within uncertainties, with expectations for the standard model Higgs boson. The collection of further data will enable a more rigorous test of this conclusion and an investigation of whether the properties of the new particle imply physics beyond the standard model.

I quoted the website, note, this is a peer reviewed website the highest standard among academia is a peer reviewed article. To help interpret, they say thus far it models the attributes of what the Higgs Brosen particle should do. The Higgs Brosen particle is more than what you say is a theory. You use the word theory in the definition of the word Hypothesis, and I do not fault you for this, as in modern colloquialisms theory is equivalent to an hypothesis; however these things are not written in the common tongue they are written by scientists and for scientists. As such a theory is a lot more founded upon than a Hypothesis as you say it is. The higgs brossen particle is not up for debate as to if it exists or not, it is up for minor, and note the stress I am putting on minor here, debate as to if we have located it or not.

Math and Science are interwoven, the Higgs Brossen particle exists, it is a mathematical truth; like the theory of relativity was before we saw the eclipse to prove it, math in some way leads scientists it proves things we cannot yet observe, with extreme accuracy.

When you say it is based on a theory you show ignorance, when you quote non-peer-review literature you show ignorance. The idea of Higgs Brossen is not famous because we found a particle that does what the math proved out years ago. It is famous because mathematician and scientists around the world proved out the math and agreed years prior to it being found.

I applaud your curiosity, and level of reading to understand the ideas presented in those articles you quoted; however I urge you to do more proper research in the future, it is only through peer reviewed literature that second source discussion can take place. Because if you begin with someones hypothesis and or understanding in their own mind of someone elses peer reviewed work you do end up with as you would call "working form a theory".

And if you take nothing away from this but this, please learn what a scientific theory means. Please above all else the ignorance as to what this means is frustrating.

I was replying to the idiot above who said "this whole gravity is a theory thing made me giggle" when as a matter of fact war lord had said nothing of the kind. Obviously any scientific 'laws' are just theories waiting to be disproven. They may never actually be debunked, but they still can't claim to be anything other than theories... this all generally goes without saying I really didn't think I needed to repeat it. Don't kids learn it in like grade five? I know I did.

Your arrogance is astounding since you look like a retard to anyone in the field of science
 
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d4m0

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Why thanks matt, I love you too. I honestly wouldn't call that arrogance to be honest. But whatever. The closest thing to arrogance in this entire topic has been... well, every one of your posts, actually.
 

DeletedUser

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Science can't explain god, so science is wrong! You people need to seriously start watching some FOX News, you might learn something useful for a change. Don't agree with me? Talk to the hand 'cause the head ain't listening
 

mattcurr

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Why thanks matt, I love you too. I honestly wouldn't call that arrogance to be honest. But whatever. The closest thing to arrogance in this entire topic has been... well, every one of your posts, actually.

The reason yours is arrogant is because you imply that you should have known your statements when you were 11.

In reality the difference between a scientific theory and law is very simple. A law is an observation of an event, "An object at rest stays at rest"

A theory is a model, a working explanation of why an event occurs. Like gravity or evolution.

Don't kids learn it in like grade five? I know I did.
Both are confirmed through math, and experimentation continuously before becoming law or theory. Saying that a Law is a more proven out theory, and being obnoxious about it does make you seem like an idiot yes, and arrogant yes.

Are my posts arrogant? In my opinion no, I posted the truth, with conviction. And few petty attacks. Im not going to make apologies for stating the truth when I see garbage spewed, and furthering the undereducation of the globe in regards to science illiteracy.
 
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DeletedUser94626

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Before i begin, i would just like to remind people not to get butt-hurt over this topic, were just having a healthy discussion, if you don't agree with something then just write it down in a reply - like normal people. If not, simply move onto another thread. Thanks :)


@ Lord Wonka

No, that is not what i was trying to say. I guess my way of putting things across is not always clear, so you'll have to bear with me. What i am saying is that we can’t EVEN adequately understand things that are regarded as basic science, then how are we to understand a God (referring to Tomb Raider's original comments on the Nature of God) who is supposed to have created the whole Universe as we know it, and Heaven, Hell (etc.)

Note: Science and God are 2 different things. Science and its discoveries are not something I’m brushing off as false either (or God) - so don’t get me wrong on that. However, what i am saying is that there isn't adequate knowledge on any of the things we've been speaking of, to be able to turn around and basically say "well that is it, we know exactly what X,Y and Z is".....whereas Matt seems to imply that we do know things such as Gravity completely or maybe even largely (like 50%+) - but the fact is that we know very little about them, and at the current rate our world is going in - it will probably be the end of humanity before we figure any of them out properly....and this, ultimately, is my top argument for this section, how can we possibly understand and comment on God's nature, plan and motives in this supposedly advanced day and age, if we still cannot fully comprehend (allegedly basic) things like Gravity or Energy?. Do you see my point now?

Also, your wrong again, i dont believe that i ever said that i didn't believe in gravity or that i didn't think it existed, I’m merely saying that we know nothing more than the basic Law/theory of gravity, which in all fairness is like the current phase of W72 --> just the beginning. They aren't as "Well understood" as you'd like to think.


@Mattcurr

As i said, i have a very rusty understanding of Physics, in fact, the only time i studied this subject was back in High School when i was about 15-16 years old, and I’m now almost 21.

I knew a little bit about the Higgs Boson from back then, although i did have to do some quick Google research so i could gain an insight into the parts i was missing. But as someone who hasn't used Peer-review articles before for scientific research (mainly because they're hard to understand for the common man and also i don’t study in anything remotely related to science) i think i did quite well in collecting my findings. Heck, It’s not like i used some conspiracy theory website for info or anything like that, in fact i used genuine science related ‘help’ pages....One being: http://www.newscientist.com/ and the other: http://science.howstuffworks.com/higgs-boson.htm

Now, i find it hard to believe that these 2 sources of information are somehow not worthy of your approval, especially since CERN have said basically the same thing, let me show you what i mean:

Even though the Standard Model is currently the best description there is of the subatomic world, it does not explain the complete picture. The theory incorporates only three out of the four fundamental forces, omitting gravity. There are also important questions that it does not answer, such as “What is dark matter?”, or “What happened to the antimatter after the big bang?”, “Why are there three generations of quarks and leptons with such a different mass scale?” and more. Last but not least, an essential component of the Standard Model, a particle called the Higgs boson, has yet to be found conclusively in an experiment. The race is on to find the Higgs boson – the key to why some particles have mass. While finding it would be a big step for particle physics, proving it does not exist would be equally important. In both cases, physicists could discard all of the wrong theories and zoom in on the correct one. So although the Standard Model accurately describes the phenomena within its domain, it is still incomplete. Perhaps it is only a part of a bigger picture that includes new physics hidden deep in the subatomic world or in the dark recesses of the universe. New information from experiments at the Large Hadron Collider will help us to find more of these missing pieces.


In conclusion, it is worth noting that my only remaining issue is with the Theory of the Standard Model, like i have explained before, and this is essentially because it says (example) “Well we can somewhat explain A, C and D, but we can’t seem to fit B into this” and that’s where i start to question it. The way i see it is that without “B” there can be no ABCD, thus the whole theory must be invalid. In case you’re wondering “B” = (Gravity, Dark Matter and Dark Energy) – this is a large and fundamental part of our universe, so it becomes a big issue when scientists use a theory like this to try and understand our universe but fail to prove a large aspect of it.



 

DeletedUser94626

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Question: A man with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself. Is that considered a hostage situation?
 

DeletedUser

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Are Asians genetically better in video games? If so do you think I can win this world?
 

DeletedUser

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If you raped a hooker, I'm not saying I have (or haven't) nor am I endorsing it but if you raped a hooker, is that considered shoplifting?
 

Raveman9

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If you raped a hooker, I'm not saying I have (or haven't) nor am I endorsing it but if you raped a hooker, is that considered shoplifting?

Its not shoplifting as you are stealing a service not a product. It would be classified as larceny or better know as theft of services.
 

DeletedUser

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So legally, it is just considered Theft of Service under 5 Dollars?
 

Raveman9

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Would just depend on how much that hooker charges for her services.
 

DeletedUser

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Well obviously she would charge 5 just for a flat rate but in this economy and due to inflation most have gone up to a 7.50 minimum so Ill just say Theft of Services under 10 dollars to be on the safe side. Thanks man. With this solid advice you have gave me I'm sure to beat the case :icon_smile:
 

Mark The Gr8

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"Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like " is a meme. Know your memes, wtf.
 
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