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I iz Nub

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If any of you remember, I am one of the original Axes members. I find it interesting to look back on W41 now and see that AXES has become everything it said it would not become. That said, I am not bashing AXES. I am just astounded to see what the tribe turned out to be in the end. Mohua's original intention was to have the tribe be a small tribe of extremely active players. He never wanted us to merge or become a family tribe. I understand things change, especially as a world develops, but damn. I never expected AXES to be where it is now, or have done what it has done.



Anyhow, this was just an old player looking back on the world now. Hello to any of you that I played with. Fundamental, good luck on your plight. We never met but what you have done in this world is phenomenal.

Good work AXES.

Nub
 

mdesjarl

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you right it was, I remember the "good ole Days"
 
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DeletedUser

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Before i left the tribe, i tried to change everything you just said from within. I too was looking to be part of a small, elite group. Either elite in skill, or elite in activity.

It's why i left PWN. They were anything but elite.

I think that ultimately, the great hordes of low activity level, low skill players, will always defeat much smaller groups of "leet" players though.

The few remaining decent players left in AXES apparently are content mingling with unworthy players. Which is their choice.

I iz Nub though... don't think of it as a "plight". Other than what has been said above. I am perfectly content with the current state of affairs, that the mass blob that is AXES has yet another mass of villages to take (mine). And if you've been reading, i have a couple of plans to make them take a whole lot more barb villages on top of that as well. Which from what i hear does not bother them in the slightest. They claim to want to finish this world as quickly (which would mean effeciently) as possible. But except on the part of 1 or 2 players, their actions don't seem to back this up. Even this week i was conversing with jarl and trying to give him pointers on how to more effeciently and effectively win this world. He scoffed.

Why accomplish something with effeciency, when you can just grind it down with bulk and time? Again, their business and choice though.

I play differently. With different goals.
 

DeletedUser

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I iz nub, you don't know what you are talking about. I treasure everybody that fought in this tribe's old days, never blamed them for not playing anymore, so if you consider yourself an Axes, or an 'old Axes', you should have some respect for the ones that still plays for your tribe.
Focus on the fact that Axes is still a collection of best players in this world and we will make AXES tribe winner. ;)
it's not our fault that world player's skills level goes exponentialy down as the world progress.

want somebody to blame? blame tribalwars - they made the rules, they should offer "discount nobles" much early in the game in order to keep it interesting enough for early-game players. Or blame the mods - it's been at least two weeks since we should have had 1/3 price nobles but it's just so difficult to respect their own rules; so much for german way of doing things - i guess this apply only when it's about to collect our premium points :p

No matter the rules or world, any tribe needs new blood from time to time; it's easy to came with that early-w41-days-feelings and point the finger saying "mergers!", but when you want to count old mates still active and never reach 5.. believe me it's a different perspective.

as for "Fundamental, you did phenomenal in this world, good luck"... this really made me sad and trigger my response here; imo fundamental is anything but an elite player.
 

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Sich, i would agree with your comment that i am anything but an elite player. Active? Yes. Able to use some common sense and good tactics. Yes. But able to use the "tricks" of the game like backtiming, sniping, etc.... piss poor skills. Never found a need to use or learn them.

That being said, his comment was "what you have done in this world is phenomonal". To which comment i would point at my ODA, my growing ODD, my combined OD (now greater than the second and third ranked players added together). And imo i "took out" a large number of players/accounts that stood against AXES. For the most part, single handidly (i preferred to go solo even when i was in AXES). And in that light? I think he/she makes a point.

I'd agree. I've accomplished things in this world41. Never claimed to be an elite player though. Nor did he/she.
 
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mezonis ODA was great as long as he played; sergei's ODA was great; badGirl or uncle Sam's steady growth was great; you're just an ODA whore (readers that never had hundreds of vills don't bother to say "there's no such thing as oda whore") and the only way you know how to "fight" is flood some crapy enemies with all your nukes, wait for them to quit, then launch your nobles on the safe ground; the only way you know how to "defend" is to stack your front villages with as many swords as possible - no bouncing armies (that's in piss poor skils cathegory for you).
Of course the current active players of w41 might be impressed by that, I am not.

your skills? you're very active, you have the common sense as you say, you know how to farm, therefore you got very big. good tactics against "average player" - yes.

were you helpful for the tribe as fighter? yes, no doubt on that; there were a lot of nubs you took care of and i'm thankful for that.


was all this outstanding and deserving to be put in a "boo axes, gl fundamental" post? erm.. nope.
 

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mezonis oda was great as long as he played; sergei's oda was great; badgirl or uncle sam's steady growth was great; you're just an oda whore (readers that never had hundreds of vills don't bother to say "there's no such thing as oda whore") and the only way you know how to "fight" is flood some crapy enemies with all your nukes, wait for them to quit, then launch your nobles on the safe ground; the only way you know how to "defend" is to stack your front villages with as many swords as possible - no bouncing armies (that's in piss poor skils cathegory for you).
Of course the current active players of w41 might be impressed by that, i am not.

Your skills? You're very active, you have the common sense as you say, you know how to farm, therefore you got very big. Good tactics against "average player" - yes.

Were you helpful for the tribe as fighter? Yes, no doubt on that; there were a lot of nubs you took care of and i'm thankful for that.


Was all this outstanding and deserving to be put in a "boo axes, gl fundamental" post? Erm.. Nope.


+1 =]
 

DeletedUser

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I miss those days too back when AXES was roughly 30 members and everyone was awesome, now its nooby just look at stinzorrr
 

DeletedUser

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a few Old school AXE player had there hand in the formation of SIZE may not have been a big hand but it was at key moments, they know who they are and thank you for the good time :)

heck these players even sent troops to attack enemies of SIZE that where 500 hrs away.
 

DeletedUser

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I miss those days too back when AXES was roughly 30 members and everyone was awesome, now its nooby just look at stinzorrr


i love you to ingham =]
i play now under the name stiskavica ;)
 

DeletedUser

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Sich, some of those were some great points which i would agree with. But the ones i disagree with:

I *do* know how to "bounce armies". You just haven't seen me doing so against you. For a number of reasons. But i have done so, in the past. With at least passable skill. In different tactical situations. For example, when i waged war on smerge, and was kinda attacking two of them (iamintangible and later a bees fellow, both roughly my own size). And bees counterattacked me. I indeed used limited local mobile defence, to defend against the same tactical series of attacks (many attacks, over the course of a half day or so, to multiple targets of mine). Bees faced the same troops of mine, at multiple locations, at multiple times. Because he planned his attacks poorly enough that he left me with enough time to do so, to move them around quickly enough. But you see, this situation i am in, does not call for the sort of tactics you *think* i should be using against you.

And second, your claim that i *only* capp against crappy people that i have made quit, simply isn't true. I took vills from skilled (semi at very least) and active players. Your claim simply isn't true. At very least, not "entirely" true. *Only* being the functional word. Once you said "only", you proved yourself wrong. But you *are* correct that more of my noblings occured against enemies that my *proper use of long term economic destruction of the enemy* had first caused to quit or go relatively inactive. Perhaps it could be said that i use high activity level and good tactics, which allows me to get by with no or little skill? No logic in developing a muscle you never will use.

Tomato, tomatoe. You do it your way, i'll do it mine. I had success. You use skill? And i'll use better tactical strategy. Should i cite an example? You yourself, sich, backtimed me once, fairly recently. Very expertly timed. The same second my noble and escort, that i had sent against you, that had allready helped capp a couple of vills in your possession, and eventually capped a ville himself... you expertly backtimed that noble, so that i had less than a second to dodge. Yes, great "skill". Good on you.

But your foolishness, that helps me illustrate how i use better tactics and less skill? Was that the tiny nuke you sent, was so small, that the actual *escort* for the noble (it was over 1,000 swords), could easily crush your backtime, even assuming i had a level 0 wall (which it wasn't, was much higher than that), and you had +25% luck. And zero other defenders (and i can assure you, not only did that village itself have well over 10,000 other swords defending, but because it was a noble ville, i had like 5D or so stacked there, so that even 10 full nukes would have been useless against it. But my point is.... as you sent your "skilled" backtime, you didn't even have the common tactical sense, to know that the teenie partial nuke you were using, had zero chance of success. Because you would have seen the report, of the size of the escort for the noble. The escort alone, was all that was needed. But you sent it "expertly" anyways.

Stupidly. But expertly.

So perhaps we could agree, that you lack tactical skill, but good tribal wars backtiming skill?

Same with your "inroads" into nobling my vills. As a second example of your tactical stupidity. Your first few dozen or so capps against me. You carefully selected offensive vills, and spread like wildfire taking only them. Fine.

But tactically, didn't realize that, this presented a great many tactical flaws. First, you were stupid enough to not stack more than about 2-3 of them. If it were me? I would have been stacking all of them with at LEAST 3D or so. Before i progressed any further. Second, the defensive techs would be low at ALL of them. Making it even easier for me to counterattack. And third, not even bothering to rebuild walls at most of them. And fourth, leaving tons of large D stacks, at my D vills all surrounding your new acquistions, without clearing them out. And D stacks, swords and HC at least (though not spears), counterattack decently well. As you learned at great expense at my hands soon after.

So, you invited your own losses. Due to poor tactical decisions.

May i say you have greater game skills than me? Yes i will. But i witness you making huge tactical blunders. Many of them. All the time.

Tomato, tomatoe. We each have our flaws.

And on top of those things, when forg tried to salvage the situation for you, i hosed the two of you. I'd take a ville from you, see his stacks of D coming to reinforce you, intentionally leave the D techs crappy and the walls at zero, and sent my own nukes, staggered at intervals, as his D arrived, to attack myself. His troops. My ville. So, while tactically counterattacking, i efficiently hosed a ton of forg D, especially his HC which were naturally most of what he was sending to you. This happened at several locations. I forget, was it 10D of his that i hosed in total, at minimal cost to myself? 20D? Whatever. I forget, but it was a lot. And i was getting great "ratio" losses. Like, losing a quarter of a nuke, to kill a full D of his.

Knowing all of this, i seriously considered counterattacking forg as well. As i knew his own D in the area was getting depleted. But that is another story, as to why i chose not to (see my comments below). Your piss poor tactical decisions, nearly got your mate into trouble in that area as well.

As i have been saying all along and my profile states, i am using "different tactics" and philosophy against you guys. I don't even bother to use common sense tactics like recapping. Other than the couple dozen or whatever i did against you. And even that, i actually regret. Yes, i *regret* that success against you.

Why? Hard for me to explain this in a way i think you will understand... but for each capp i put against you (or any of you), costs me more packets than it is worth.

Given my long term goals, why would i pay 1,400 packets (earlier) or 1,100 (roughly) now, to recap a ville, when i can spend 100 packets later on, to cap a barb that you otherwise would not have to take?

Why spend 1,400 packets, to force you to (yet again) take a 10K or even 6K point ville, when i can spend 100 packets later to force you to take a 1K barb?

You are STILL not realizing the tactics i employ. My goals here. You don't see me fighting in the way you yourself would fight, so assume i am having no success or using any skill of any sort.

And to step back a bit sich.... its funny, but really, all your "good points" you just argued, actually support what iiznub said. And i myself after said.

Here is what a gentleman might do sich. A reasonable person. Agree with iiznub. But "add" that fundamental is a crappy player. Yes, had great success (which is all iiznub or myself said). But lacking in many skills you yourself (and a great many game greats, some of which you mention) have and had. I guess what i am saying is, you should have stopped after you said "imo fundamental is anything but an elite player." What you said after that went too far.

And meanwhile, now that you forced me to say it, concede that you are a tactical idiot. Now that you made me go there. Though i had been biting my tongue up until now.

Post Script addition: In the interests of being fair, and bearing in mind how i attack your tactical skills above.. i will say this. Your focusing of your cats on my smithies and academies is actually i think tactically sound. Long term. All of AXES should be hosing my smithies and academies. But you are nearly the only one hitting them at all. Render me incapable of storing packets. Long term, you guys (and gals) save yourselves a ton of eating later. Common sense tactical strategy, given what i have stated publicly will be my future tactics. Yet oddly, you seem to be about the only one doing so. For whatever reason. Lucky choice?
 
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codygoodthegreat

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stop feeding him lol


id like to see sich vs fundi in a front line war fighting eachother i think fundi would understand sichs "skill" is a understarment :p
 

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I've never said he is unskilled. I even noted his skill in sending a single backtime to me.

What i am saying, is he has had tactical mistakes. Many.

And, i'm saying that, the OP make a comment that i had "done phenominal things" has some merit. *Some* merit. OP didn't say i was a good player. But sich attacks my game skill. I say "irrelevant". And if he wants to throw such stones, he should look first at his own tactical shortcomings.

If he has such glaring skill, why hasn't he picked up some tactical common sense along the way?

And that is not meant to infer that i am saying he is unskilled. I'm just surprised that such a "brilliant player" doesn't have some tactical common sense. Other than his targetting my acadamies and smithies as noted.
 

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we all be playing this game a long time. I noticed that our Skills at TW are constantly evolving with respect to each other, No one particpating in this thread is a noob, with that agreed on arguing tactics is almost useless, we all have our own personal ways of fighting all if it learned off each other. now discussing tactics is different, comparing notes helps both parties become better at what they do, i guess you guys are comparing notes in game ;) but it all comes to activity and how you think while playing the game, 90% mental 10% phyisical ring a bell to you guys?

I admit I like to make a few nukes with 1000 cats and send a cat train, how much damage you think that does if you split your nuke into 4 attacks in under 1 sec 250 cats each. alot of people dont do it but it works for me I seen good players laugh/cry becuase they dodge it thinking its a fake train and dont expect it.

if you do that to 20 villas thats like carpet bombing
 

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stop feeding him lol

wasn't my intention, nevertheless isn't it funny? :lol:
frustrated ingame, uncapable of 'retaliating' other then with a tasmanian devil mumbling on the forum

I hate so much Sergei, he's actually the main reason i quited Axes.. so i'm retaliating by sending everything i have against sau2adg - lol, whatta daring fighter

so full of himself, but deep-down he knows he cannot fight a good player (in all the phenomenal things he did in w41 there was a "qweez moment" to show him the bitter true) therefore the neat strategy - downgrading his vills, not puting up any resistance, intention to noble 1k barbs.. all ingredients to build a great (verbal) success against Axes in the end :icon_smile:

true? - he's so boring that Axes didn't even bother with him as a tribe; he's just a "free game", probably even less nobled in the days to come due to our fresh food
we'll have some hundreds of crapy fundamental villls to eat in the end.. so what? 10-20 vills each, that's hardly a week of easy eating

Axes, very soon we'll have 1/3 price nobles!!!! (maybe mods will read this one? should i post naked pics? or curse them to draw their attention?) :lol:
 

mdesjarl

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if your naked pics are like the one on your profile....then by all means yes please post them
 

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Sich, i'll pass over most of what you said. Partially because i agree with some of it. And other parts that are clearly inaccurate most readers will know for themselves how falsely you speak, and how hollow you sound.

But i will address the one issue. Qweez. I think you don't realize some things.

I only fought qweez the once. Ashley did though, a couple of times. You see, there were vast stretches of time where i was not playing at all. Months at a time. And most of the fundamental/qweez conflicts were when i did not happen to be playing.

When i was playing? There was the one single period of conflict. And the results? I capped some dozen or so vills off of him, and he recapped one of them back. (Which i then later re-recapped).

And yes, i agree, he had skill. When you had your previous claims of "all my vills are against zero skill players or players i have made quit or go inactive" i in fact had considered bringing up qweez. So, you yourself seem to concede he has skill. And i am telling you, that when *I* fought him, i did well against him. So, i think you simply "don't realize" that most of the qweez vrs fundamental conflicts, i simply wasn't part of. Besides, i think even then, ashley did tolerably well against him, despite major RL issues at that time distracting her. So even *she* did ok against him (nowhere near as good as my own results turned out to be, but still a better than 50-50 cap ratio as i recall, but i would have to go research to get more exact figures).

Another player i personally faced (ash was of course involved at all these times, though in these two cases i was the "warlord" if you will, sending most of the attacks during these times) was hectorthegreat. He even capped a single ville off of me/us. Not recapped, actually capped. Because i was totally unprepared (foolishly, much as you yourself were against my counterattack a month or so ago). My tactical error.

But once i was roused, hector didn't take any other vills off of me, and i proceeded to counterattack him with vigor, and yes take vills off of him while he was still active. Then, and meanwhile, i long range economically bombarded him so that his activity level started to drop. And then yes, the vast host of villages i eventually took off of him were when he was utterly inactive. But early on? He was a good player, of good skill, highly active and focused. And i outcapped him anyways.

I've faced some skill. One took a single village off of me, the other also took a single village off of me. Whilst i took dozens off of them. And recapped the two they took from me.

All that being said, i *DO* still agree i am a overall low skilled player. And i *DO* agree that more of my success (caps) are against low skilled, and/or inactive players. And i *DO* agree that my proper use of sound tactics means that players i face tend to quit, or go partially or completely inactive, before i get a chance to capp vills off of them while they are still active.

Some of the points you are making sich i agree with. Others, i know for a fact you are simply wrong.

Oh, i guess i would also like to add a question.... about my choice of sau to attack versus sergei. Are you saying sergei would have been a worthy opponent but sau is not? How is that? Sau, at the time, was the largest account in the world. And i have no idea as to his skill level (nor do i have sergei's, as i never squared off against him, or even had him contributing to an op i was part of for that matter that i recall), but i could only assume it was at least average, if not above average.

I simply don't see the point you are trying to make. I attack sergei, i would have been called a "daring fighter", but i attack the larger player, sau, and i am a... what? Coward? Not daring enough?

Lol... and funny you should say "mumbling". Lol. Oh lol. You card. I won't say it. I just won't say the obvious...
 
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oh, again ashley thing :lol:

dear.. fundachashleywhateverwhoeverwannabe, i told you once in internal forum, I just cannot read everything you say, it's just too much; try sumarize it somehow, use bold/underline features for the headlines or something.

never said sau2 is not a worthy opponent, afterall you didn't took a single vill of his, but your strong differends were with Sergei. too afraid of him? :lol:

also told you that your way of thinking is just too limited to understand anything else but your own "strategy/tactics" whatever you wanna call this. You couldn't understood my actions against you.. well.. i won't bother explain them cause i know it's in vain.

like pretty much in vain is to say that qweez owned you, while you insisted - and he alow you - to take back your ex-vills right before he joined AXES. of course you'll deny, of course you have your distorted perspective about everything; you're the handsome prince charming/sleeping beauty while the rest are ugly.
In your lonely nights did you ever thought that maaaybe perhaps it might be just possible to be vice-versa?

Jarl, that pic reminds me of Kyriie. At one point we did a contest in finding the best pic of a beauty and that one won.
for waking up mods something more offending is needed.. Chad, wanna give it a try and post a pic of yours?
 

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Sich, "like pretty much in vain is to say that qweez owned you, while you insisted - and he alow you - to take back your ex-vills right before he joined AXES. of course you'll deny, of course you have your distorted perspective about everything; you're the handsome prince charming/sleeping beauty while the rest are ugly."

... is simply not true. That was ashley. Your council "hidden forum" indeed alludes to what you say as being the case. But this in fact is utterly false. About the "insisting" part.

ASH had the hardon for taking those vills. Not me. I did take them, yes. But it was ASH insisting our account deserved them. I couldn't care less. For me, it was never personal against qweez. Nay, i respected his abilities, and thus, him.

And as for "allow", first of all, how would i know that? And second, he didn't seem to be "allowing" as he was sending in major D, counterattacking with vigor (as i say, he even retook one briefly), etc.

You're plain flat out either lying, or mistaken.

Period.

And as for your alluding to my looks as being offending... ok, now you're just being childish sich. All my attacks on you, have been about the game.

I'm so, so glad i ultimately went the path i did. What great people you are. I'd have been ashamed to be there at the end, given the calibre of your character as i see it.

(One or two of you as exceptions of course).

Post Script: and for the record, i am about five foot nine and change, 170 pounds or thereabouts (fairly slim). Full head of hair (no male pattern baldness). No major scars and blemishes. Tolerably attractive. When i overcome my shyness, i usually manage to find female companionship no problem. Including of the attractive kind.
 
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