Best Unit Troops Line Up for Offense and Defense!(w30)

DeletedUser

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Yer i know but the majority of players are not skilled so it seems to work generally =P

I might give your lay-out a go see if it works and if I don't like it change back to normal =)
 

Swans1981

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Okies,
many people like the HC Strat too, because its so fast.
But it gets owned by nukes compared to my version, so if im not under threat i'd rather use mine than that way..

Also when you have many villages in clusters and such, its very easy to pick up those 200-500HC or whatever in the villages, and gather them all together to defend a village. It soon mounts up :)
 

DeletedUser22924

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yhea the reason for my HC is becaszue they are almost pure use for support
 

Swans1981

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Hc villages, pure ones, are useless imo, its like 10k swords worth of troops lol.
 

DeletedUser

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Mr.Moyles said:
I dont know anyone that attacks with 20k spears you must be a noob lol


Come on mate 20k spears for attacking lol thats a joke have you even played this game before ???


5k axes and 10 nobles you will defend much off with that also lol takes 2k axes to kill pml LOL

Memember dont send all them nobles out same time lol
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You FAIL to amuse me with your noobness. so GTFO.

PS there is this thing called sarcasm. google it. here is a link http://www.google.com/ in case you dont know what google is.
 

DeletedUser54374

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ProGamer2010 said:
I'm just curious. Why nobody talks about Walls for defense?
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Walls should be an obvious 20. I would usually do a 1:1 ratio of spears and swords in a non-archer world for defense. 10k/10k spears/swords takes a long time to build, so sometimes 8k spears/2k Hcav is a faster defense. Faster to recuperate your losses anyways. Also, I would usually stick to one style of defense instead of mixing them.

For offense, there are many kinds of nukes.
 

rand4747

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whats with all these people using swords?

Sure swords are a strong defense unit but slow for support and just makes barracks training take too long

Do a spear/hc or archers/hc defense

or even do mix and spears/archers/hc

always use hc instead of swords. fast support :)

The defense is weaker but you can move stuff around faster.
 

DeletedUser

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Is a Sword better for Defense or Offense? Is it Good to Make units only one of a kind against a mixed up troops?
 

DeletedUser

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Swords are useles units. They are only useful in the beginning. Later you need only spears+HC or archers+HC. But there is an option when building swords+archers. It takes twice more time to build but it is better (approximatelly 20% better) than spears+HC.
21000 farm space:
1.
2000 hc =12 000 f.s.
7400 spears (or archers) = 7400 f.s.
200 cats = 1 600 f.s.

2.
10 000 archers
10 000 swords

you might use such powerful defence if only you have more than 200 villages and your tribe has expanded to rim. Actually going through archers+swords is unreal because if your tribe is active so you will be forced to build fast spears+HC or if your tribe is inactive so another active tribe will not give you a chance to grow to swords+archer defence. :)

Offensive villages are simple:

1. hc strat:

11700 axes
1300 hc
300 rams

2. just nuke (prevuios (1) is a 90% sthrength of it)

4000 axes
3800 LC
300 rams

These are a units which you can easily build and spend all resources which you get from your villages. Every time you will need iron but it is the cheapest resource on market by the other hand LC is the most powerful units. You will not be able to build axes more than 7k in nuke because you will need too many wood btw it is the most expensive resource than is why you need to concentrate on infantry (spears or swords) and LC/HC. And one important notice: Mounted archers sucks both with swords its a useless units :)
 
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DeletedUser

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I find it pretty relative here so I'll post my guide I made which my tribe had an interesting debate about.

You must remember there is no perfect nuke. None. Its just what you feel works best and what suits your playing style adapting to certain/common situations. Throughout the guide I will stress 3 of the most important things in TW which Purple Predator has taught me:

(In no specific order)
1) Speed
2) Efficency
3) Versatality

Firstly i'm going to explain the logic behind my village builds. Having all your villages with this layout will give you 9.375k rather then making a vill out to 12k will benefit you alot. When you get multiple villages and you face the issue of morale, you will lose alot more troops then required when compared to having multiple villages with the following layout:

Village Final Layout(9,735):

HQ: 20 - Mandatory
Barracks: 25 - Although when comparing the level 23 to 25 there seems to be no/little difference. However, it is rounded up and there is a difference of 6 seconds per unit.
Stable: 20 - Mandatory
WS: 2 - When building the nuke even at a level 2 workshop the rams/cats are done way before the rest of the nuke. No need for a higher level.
Academy: 1 - Mandatory
Smithy: 20 - Mandatory
RP: 1 - Mandatory
Staute: 1 - Mandatory
Market: 20 - A decent level to transport unballanced resources.
TC: 30 - Self explanatory. Higher mines = More resources.
CP: 30 - ^^^^
IM: 30 - ^^^^
Farm: 30 - Mandatory - Required for a full nuke.
WH: 30 - Mandatory. However, if you are really active you can range it between level 28-30 but I wouldn't advise it. Especially after having multiple villages.
HP: 10 - Only takes up 8 population. Better then market dodging.
Wall: 20 - Mandatory. Needed for shifting support around into vills.

Population remaining for troops: 20,723

Offensive Nuke:

6250 Axes
2940 Light Cavalry
320 Mounted Archers
225 Rams

I tested this offense in comparison to a standard nuke off 6k Axe, 3k LC and 300 rams. Now with offenses, people tend to add extra rams if the wall isn't taken below level 10 or so. Now the mathmatical number required take down a wall from level to 0 is 219. However, that's with an empty base. It's all about getting a stable ballance between the troops and rams when choosing what your nuke consists off. My nuke kills more against a basic defense of 8k spears, 2k HC and similarly kills more against another basic of 6.6k spears, swords and arhcers. All accompinied by a level 20 wall. I don't use more then 500 MA in my nukes. 54 MA can kill 500 archers behind a level 20 wall. Luck & Morale not included. Also, the above nuke is a generalised nuke, and one which suits most occasions BUT not every defense is the same, so, after 5 or so of these general offenses, more specialised ones will need to be made. This offense is more then capable of doing maximum damage against both a quick build frontline defense and a long build old school defense.

Every village you attack and clear will be scouted beforehand(for the most-part) so I recommend nukes with 150%,75%,75% eg. a nuke with 150% more axe, 75% LC and ma or 150% more LC etc etc etc. Also, more ram heavy ones will need to be made to equip for stacked vills. Its far more effective to send a 300 ram nuke then 2 general nukes than 3 general nukes. For example,

A standard nuke is normally about 6.5k axemen, 3.5k LC and 250 rams. This is a basic figure, and will change depending on what you have built in your villages, and hence what your total remaining farm space is. However, you can alter this to however meets your taste.

• A nuke that is Axe heavy – ie: 8k-9k axes, 2k-2.5k LC and 250 rams -- is useful against spear defenses.
• A nuke that is Ram heavy – ie: 2k MA, 300 Rams, 7k axe and 625 LC -- is useful against stacked villages
• An LC heavy nuke – ie: 5k axes, 4k LC, 250 rams -- is more effective against a sword defense.
• An MA heavy nuke – ie: 300 rams, 5k axe and 2.85k MA -- is useful against archer based defenses..

Both of these can be altered to include MA, or not. It’s your choice.

Farm Population: 20,723

Barracks Build Time: 176:53
Stable Build Time: 178:37

178:37
176:53
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001:44

As you can see, there is below a 2 hour gap build time difference with the barracks and stable. When coming across stacked villages your offense is expected to die. It's then about being able to produce more quickly. This is where 2 of the 3 things kick in. Speed and Efficency. Over a period of time you can make more of these offenses instead of the other basic offenses stated previously.

Defensive Nuke:

4003 Spears
3400 Archers
20 Scouts
2000 HC
160 Cats

Farm Population: 20,723

Note: This defense has to be used in the defense villages WITHOUT the Church. I am currently working on the best possible defense for the Church D village.

It has the most kills out off the "Impossible Nuke" which we used(15K axes, 6K LC, or something along those lines). However, this being said, it consists of very little scouts which makes it slightly less versatile so it probably is best to make a few defensive vills which are heavy in scouts later on. As you can see, this way extra speed is enabled due to lack of swords. It makes Stacking much easier.

There are many purposes for including catapults in the defense. Firstly, it allows you to use fanged fakes(25 cats + 5 scouts). Now, you may ask "Why would you have catapults in a defensive village?" Simple:

A catapults defense levels:

General Defence 100
Cavalry Defence 50
Defence Archer 100

Now compare it to a spearmans defense:

General Defence 15
Cavalry Defence 45
Defence Archer 20

A swords defense:

General Defence 50
Cavalry Defence 15
Defence Archer 40

An archers defense:

General Defence 50
Cavalry Defence 40
Defence Archer 5

Now as you can see from the above, the catapult beats every infantry troop in all possible defense sections. Although you can make more infantry troops there's 1 main reason for the catapults. Using TW Plus(World 5 settings), catapults(at level 3 workshop) takes roughly 168 hours to build.

So 3 sole purposes:

1) Has a better defense then every infantry unit
2) My defense above is yet to be beaten
3) It takes ALOT of building time out from the barracks and stables. This allows you to make the defense quicker and more times. Thus making it far more efficent and usefull.

Note: The defense also allows you to use the HC strat to a certain extent so aswell as having a very good defense, you can easily switch to using the HC strat. This increases its versatality.


Barracks Build Time: 219:07
Stable Build Time: 214:00

219:07
214:00
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005:07

Similar to the offensive nukes instead with only 5 hours. It shouldn't be much of a problem unless you are in a very heated war playing against the likes of PP, Qwer4ty, AusKilla, Openeye, Miggy, John-Murray, Godsman, Tharagoran etc in which case you'll have to have it done in minute/second differences ;) You will need to be constantly shifting your defenses in D villages around and some will die so having a good build time difference with a defensive nuke is just as important as the offensive village.

Building Layout + Troop & Farm Population = Puzzle

Simple really. Providing you follow the layout of the village build near the start of this guide in the future when things get heated up you should be set up nicely for the future. Here's how the pieces of the puzzle fit together:

Village Points: 9,375
Remaining farm space after constructed village: 20,723
Offensive nuke farm population: 20,723
Defensive nuke farm population: 20,723

As you can see, after you have your O or D nuke ready with the village fully constructed, there shouldn't even be room for 1 troop of any kind. After this, providing you have a premium account you can group the village with 1 of the following(Taken from W6 Prem guide):

[Defensive] - Fully built Defensive vill.
[Defensive_Unm] - Unm = Unmaxed farm.
[Gold Coins] - Either an offensive or defensive, once you have your village maxed its sole purpose will be to mint coins
[Nobles] - The village(s) containing the noblemen
[Offensive] - Fully maxed Offensive vill.
[Offensive_Unm] - Unm = Unmaxed farm.
[Scouts] - Scout village consisting only of scouts. Roughly 10k scouts.
[Under Construction] - Village under construction layout/build wise(Basically all non-9.375k vills)

Also, I would like to advise/demand everybody plays with a ratio of 2:1 Offensive:Defensive vills. Certainly the newer/in-experienced members. This way we can support each other whilst being safe at the same time. Remember, you cant counter or dodge a noble train.

If you would like to try out making your own prefered nukes after this(I advise against ;)), you may want to use some/take into consideration some of these tools/facts:

Here is what you're most likely to come against, ordered from early ingame to abit later on possible stacks. Quick key:

Defender:(Troops you may/will be facing. Spears:Swords)
Perfect O: The perfect offense to fight it. Axes:LC:Rams)
Times to be sent: The amount of times you will be required to send the "Perfect O" in order to clear the village completely.

Defender: 10000 10000
Perfect O:6064 3365 215
Times to be sent: 1.23931

Defender: 15000 15000
Perfect O: 6064 3365 215
Times to be sent: 2.08081

Defender: 17500 17500
Perfect O: 5939 3296 295
Times to be sent: 2.50125

Defender: 20000 20000
Perfect O: 5853 3249 350
Times to be sent: 3.02774

As for tools, here's what I use/used:

Unit Calculator: http://en25.twplus.org/calculator/unit/
Recruit Calculator: http://en25.twplus.org/calculator/recruit/
Building Calculator: http://en25.twplus.org/calculator/building/

Now I went and got this proof read by many people as you can see. I am sharing my tactic(s) with the entire tribe. I would appreciate some positive feedback as it has taken me a good 4-5 hours to write(Ask Ac04 ;)). I have let it all out here giving my full and honest opinion on the matter. Whether you choose to follow it or not is your choice but I would advise going for it.

Remember:

1) Speed
2) Efficency
3) Versatality

If you have any questions feel free to ask and I will gladly answer it/them.

Hope it helps

Optimus Prime.
 

DeletedUser

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I'd just remark that 7000 axes costs too much wood (expecially if you add MA in nukes) and it would be too long to build ~16 days. You may build 4000 LC at the same time.
And as .Optimus Prime. claims:
1) Speed
so archers does not fit with "speed is the first one".

Actually good job from .Optimus Prime.
It would be useful as essential addition to beginner's guide.
 
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DeletedUser

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Swans1981 said:
Nice copy and paste
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When did you fail to see "I find it pretty relative here so I'll post my guide I made which my tribe had an interesting debate about."

No need for an arguement :icon_confused:
 

Tarion

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Swans1981 said:
How can you prove you did it?
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He doesn't need to. If someone comes up and says "Hey, that's mine" then he should prove it. Otherwise, give him the benefit of the doubt, and either stop trolling or GTFO.
 

tjon22

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Mr.Moyles said:
I dont know anyone that attacks with 20k spears you must be a noob lol


Come on mate 20k spears for attacking lol thats a joke have you even played this game before ???


5k axes and 10 nobles you will defend much off with that also lol takes 2k axes to kill pml LOL

Memember dont send all them nobles out same time lol
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haha u know that he was joking & forgot the /sarcasm sign? O.O
 
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