Close world 12?

[DeletedUser]

And yet for some reason you're all acting like having an end game will bring back people who have quit.

People quit this game because it's too time consuming. Because you have to let the game swallow your life if you want to run a successful large account actively, especially during times of war.


You're all acting like the fact that there is no end game stops new players from playing. Or that people who play don't already know that there is no conceivable way to win. Anyone who plays this game knows that, and if they don't they're incredibly naive.

And for the stupid people who say that all successful games have an end scenario. Clearly you've never heard of World of Warcraft.. And clearly you're unaware of how many people actually play that game and let it consume their lives, even tho there is no possible way to "win" that game.

I'm condescending to you people because you seem to think you can give a multi million dollar company advice on how to run their game better.

When obviously they're making money the way things are right now. There is no question in my mind that this game COULD be a lot better in my opinion. But at he end of the day, thats all it is. An opinion.

Fact is, the game is the way it is for a reason. If inno games truly felt they would make more money without losing players, then they would most definitely listen to the suggestions of the people.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you guys are stupid for wanting an end game, I'm not saying your ideas are stupid.

I'm merely stating it's naive of you to think that inno games will give a crap. And trying to point out a few of the reasons why they don't, and never will. For the most part, i agree with absolutely everything you're all saying about this game, but the fact of the matter is, I'm a realist, and I know it's not going to happen just because you complain about it.


@ The person referring to my village losses. Learn to count, it was 750, not 800. And read the rules. You can't talk about bans on the forum. If you want to know what happened, and I assure you it had nothing to do with what you're referring to, then you can PM me and ask. Otherwise you need to keep your mouth shut.


Again. I'm not saying that an end game scenario wouldn't be fantastic for those of us playing. But it's never going to happen. You may as well talk about how much better the game would be if inno games paid you to run a large account. It would be awesome, but it's not going to happen.

Be realistic, and realize from a financial standpoint it costs almost nothing to keep one of the worlds open. I'm willing to bet that it costs less to keep a server open, then it does to fund a premium account for one month.

@Cracker. That is precisely the reason why new worlds open up every few weeks with new/similar settings to other worlds. You more or less just have to wait for one that you like. Which would be much like closing the server down, only they don't lose out on the money they're making from the people who still pay on those worlds.

 

[DeletedUser27978]

Jon your point about newer worlds isnt that attractive for players. As worlds arent closing, many players are "locked up" in those worlds and won't start new worlds as theres already to much on there plate.

Theres an overall decline in gameplay, with all these multiple worlds, this is only going to get worse. As the community isnt significantly increasing and players are becomming diluted out amoung the increasing number of worlds....

 

[DDragon12]

The Cracker had better ideas and points.

 

[DeletedUser]

Add my vote for closing it. If not, then at least stop any restarts.

 

[DeletedUser]

And yet for some reason you're all acting like having an end game will bring back people who have quit.

People quit this game because it's too time consuming. Because you have to let the game swallow your life if you want to run a successful large account actively, especially during times of war.


You're all acting like the fact that there is no end game stops new players from playing. Or that people who play don't already know that there is no conceivable way to win. Anyone who plays this game knows that, and if they don't they're incredibly naive.

And for the stupid people who say that all successful games have an end scenario. Clearly you've never heard of World of Warcraft.. And clearly you're unaware of how many people actually play that game and let it consume their lives, even tho there is no possible way to "win" that game.

I'm condescending to you people because you seem to think you can give a multi million dollar company advice on how to run their game better.

When obviously they're making money the way things are right now. There is no question in my mind that this game COULD be a lot better in my opinion. But at he end of the day, thats all it is. An opinion.

Fact is, the game is the way it is for a reason. If inno games truly felt they would make more money without losing players, then they would most definitely listen to the suggestions of the people.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you guys are stupid for wanting an end game, I'm not saying your ideas are stupid.

I'm merely stating it's naive of you to think that inno games will give a crap. And trying to point out a few of the reasons why they don't, and never will. For the most part, i agree with absolutely everything you're all saying about this game, but the fact of the matter is, I'm a realist, and I know it's not going to happen just because you complain about it.


@ The person referring to my village losses. Learn to count, it was 750, not 800. And read the rules. You can't talk about bans on the forum. If you want to know what happened, and I assure you it had nothing to do with what you're referring to, then you can PM me and ask. Otherwise you need to keep your mouth shut.


Again. I'm not saying that an end game scenario wouldn't be fantastic for those of us playing. But it's never going to happen. You may as well talk about how much better the game would be if inno games paid you to run a large account. It would be awesome, but it's not going to happen.

Be realistic, and realize from a financial standpoint it costs almost nothing to keep one of the worlds open. I'm willing to bet that it costs less to keep a server open, then it does to fund a premium account for one month.

@Cracker. That is precisely the reason why new worlds open up every few weeks with new/similar settings to other worlds. You more or less just have to wait for one that you like. Which would be much like closing the server down, only they don't lose out on the money they're making from the people who still pay on those worlds.

Since you are simply speaking to us in a condescending tone i skimmed through your post as i dont think someone with such arrogance deserves any attention at all, however i am involved in this topic and will reply to the points i skimmed through. I if i missed something important to you i apologies simply point out and stop being such an ass and it wont happen again.


Firstly i work with servers, its what i do for a living and i know how much it costs to maintain and keep a server running. An 'i think it would be cheaper than one premium account' is definitely untrue and not factual. It is a simple comment like many others in your replies that you are grounding your argument on, topics that you believe you no more about, another one would be the ' an end game wont bring back players to the game who quit'. As you have been failing to notice quite a number of people have already mentioned they know alot who would come back, i personally off the top of my head know 23. If i thought about it a bit there would probably even more. I agree that many people do leave because of the time it takes to play the game, however i know more who quit because of silly bans, silly rules, silly conditions and the no end game scenario. So it all depends on who you know i guess. for me to say that more people leave because of no end game would be a comment based on no facts whatsoever and would sound alot like your posts.


As for your WOW comparison, Although It is really silly to compare an RPG game to a strategy game. There is in fact many minor end games to WOW and others like guildwars, for example there is a level cap,there are achievements to accomplish supplied by the developers that take months to complete if not more but are achievements non the less with rewards. Im not an expert on this different type of game and have not been playing them very long, im sure others would be able to contribute better.

 

[DeletedUser]

I'm condescending to you people because you seem to think you can give a multi million dollar company advice on how to run their game better.

When obviously they're making money the way things are right now. There is no question in my mind that this game COULD be a lot better in my opinion. But at he end of the day, thats all it is. An opinion.

Fact is, the game is the way it is for a reason. If inno games truly felt they would make more money without losing players, then they would most definitely listen to the suggestions of the people.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you guys are stupid for wanting an end game, I'm not saying your ideas are stupid.

I'm merely stating it's naive of you to think that inno games will give a crap. And trying to point out a few of the reasons why they don't, and never will. For the most part, i agree with absolutely everything you're all saying about this game, but the fact of the matter is, I'm a realist, and I know it's not going to happen just because you complain about it.

Wow, I thought you were a sane person, but you think you are better than everybody, don't you? You think you know it all? Pffft!

EJ, ever heard of product development? It is something all good companies do. In the first stages, prototypes are introduced to sample groups, to see if something might have a chance of succeeding. After time, the product is introduced into the market. Some companies stop there, but those will always be overrun by second movers into the same market. Good companies keep developing after the introduction and listen to their customers. You say Innogames is a big and well run company, but yet you say they do not listen to their customers.

Not many worlds have been in the situation of w12. You can think you are with w10, but that would be very naive and same goes for all older worlds. As this is rather new terrain for TW and Innogames, it would very well be smart to listen to what the players here have to say, even if we are with just a few left. If Innogames likes it or not, this situation will be spoken about throughout the TW world and will leave there marks. Player will not return, no, but many would not have left, if an end (game) was available. Those that left for that reason, and believe me they were many, will never play TW again, nor will advice it to others. We all know it is time-consuming, all the more reason to have an end, if you ask me.

A game like this that has no end, is not comparable with WoW. No new challenges will ever arise in this world for a player like me and a tribe like DNY, simple as that. The best players of WoW do still have challenges and fights left. Sorry, but the comparison is flawed and has no value in this topic whatsoever.


And seriously, lose the attitude of the superior player, especially if you say that you agree with most that is said. If you don't want to complain or talk about an ending, stay on w10, or at least drop the insults. Thank you!

 

[DeletedUser]

And Cracker, nice posts. EJ would have been smart not to reply after your remark about servers and hardware, running for 200 (max!) paying customers now, where they could run for a new world with at least 10 times that amount. But on all counts, nice replies!

 

[DeletedUser]

but you think you are better than everybody, don't you? You think you know it all?

I know it all. I am better than everybody.

 

[DeletedUser]

Bob, is EJ your alter ego?

 

[DeletedUser]

TW definitely does not want any world to end, so much is clear from this convo with support:

Request: B@M53 still around

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-14 23:45:22

Hi there,

I was wondering how it is possible that B@M53 is still around in w12. I rimmed him almost 2 months ago and his account has shown no activity since almost 8 months already. As he has not restarted since the rimming, and supposing he is not 'wasting' Premium on this account without playing it for so long, I would assume this to be a bug.

Could you explain this to me, if it is not a bug?

Sincerely yours,
Mr. Blonde

Servy 2010-01-15 00:16:20

Hello Mr. Blonde,

A player can still login even if they don't have a village.

Sincerely,

Servy/Aaron
Administrator

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-15 10:53:59

Ok, thank you. I thought you needed to chose a new position, the next time you logged in, but am no expert on restarting...

Anyway, is this not pretty useless, keeping an account alive, eventhough it is not even in play? For how long is that possible?

Servy 2010-01-15 19:42:37

Since they can still login, indefinitely.

Sincerely,

Servy/Aaron
Administrator

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-15 20:15:17

I still think this should be considered a bug, if an account is not played, but artificially kept in game...

Servy 2010-01-15 22:00:07
I fail to see how it can cause any problems at all.

Sincerely,

Servy/Aaron
Administrator

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-15 23:37:35

Ok, it is not that hard to see, but I will explain it to you than.

As TW fails to deliver an end game, it is up to us to get this world to an end, by getting rid of all 'opposing' players. As it is also impossible to take out a player in this game, because of infinite restart possibilities, it is already hard enough to accomplish, without this kind of strange occurrences.

He is rimmed, he is not restarting. I fail to see how it is normal that that account remains in w12. Do you have an explanation for me as well?

Servy 2010-01-17 02:14:56

The player is still logging in, so I fail to see the problem.

Sincerely,

Servy/Aaron
Administrator

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-17 02:22:01

Have you read my reply at all? I just explained the problem. It should not matter if he logs in or not, he is not playing this world.

Servy 2010-01-17 02:23:10

He is logging in, and therefore he is still playing the world.

Sincerely,

Servy/Aaron
Administrator

Mr. Blonde 2010-01-17 04:13:03

Pretty lame definition of playing if you ask me... TW really should change the rules on being able to play like this in a world, so long after closing it for registration.. :-x

 

[DeletedUser]

Well when the time comes and dny owns all of world 12 we should do a mass delete and that will close the world for sure we just have to take every last dot on the map and mass delete there will be no one left in the world and that will = game over

of course after reading the above all our villages would still remain that is a lousy explanation cant believe and admin wrote the replies to you

look at it this way we can play for ever LOL

 

[DeletedUser]

Players like the one I mentioned are probably just waiting till all threats have deleted themselves and than come out to ' play'... This is just sooo ridiculus. Not just the player doing this, but most of all that this mod does not see how this is weird.. And this should be a well respected mod, right?

 

[DeletedUser]

Players like the one I mentioned are probably just waiting till all threats have deleted themselves and than come out to ' play'... This is just sooo ridiculus. Not just the player doing this, but most of all that this mod does not see how this is weird.. And this should be a well respected mod, right?

Just popping in, But your really going to complain about a player restarting months or even years down the track? By then everyone will be double their village / troop count and the dominating tribe will be even more so dominating.

What's 1 extra village really going to do? srsly.

 

[DeletedUser]

Well when the time comes and dny owns all of world 12 we should do a mass delete and that will close the world for sure we just have to take every last dot on the map and mass delete there will be no one left in the world and that will = game over

of course after reading the above all our villages would still remain that is a lousy explanation cant believe and admin wrote the replies to you

look at it this way we can play for ever LOL

What DNY fails to realize is:

> as long as you keep chasing "every last red dot", this game will be played by players who pay PP (i.c. DNY).

> as long as people can restart there will be red dots.

CONCLUSION: if all paying players deleted, this world would be finished, since it would mean a loss to Innogames.
So, I said it before and I'll say it again: the only reason this world is still running,
is because DNY wants this world to be closed and therefor keep paying to kill off inactives. :icon_biggrin:

 

[DeletedUser]

Just popping in, But your really going to complain about a player restarting months or even years down the track? By then everyone will be double their village / troop count and the dominating tribe will be even more so dominating.

What's 1 extra village really going to do? srsly.

If you have no clue what is going on, why bother posting? I have almost 2500 villages, so you think I am bothered by 1 red dot more or less? No, off course not. It is the player that I want removed.. :icon_rolleyes:

Go pop somewhere else, where you might understand what is going on.. Some kindergarten forum or something. Bye bye.

 

[DeletedUser]

If you have no clue what is going on, why bother posting? I have almost 2500 villages, so you think I am bothered by 1 red dot more or less? No, off course not. It is the player that I want removed.. :icon_rolleyes:

Go pop somewhere else, where you might understand what is going on.. Some kindergarten forum or something. Bye bye.

What's not to understand with what your saying? Merely because I don't play W12 doesn't mean anything. I know when someone's being a 12 year old when they don't get their own way. Hack it, He's not going anywhere.

 

[DeletedUser]

Blonde, I find it amusing to see you arguing with Servy. I have done that before and have gotten similiar results. Servy fails to see what we are trying to do, or just chooses to ignore it. How can anyone define "playing" an account simply by logging in. If you are not doing anything with the account then really it is not playing. There really should be some level of activity for a player, an attempt to rebuild, ect for it to be considered a "playing" account.

 

[busamad]

I check in here every now & again just to see how things are going.

Your request for an end to a world will never happen until one player has every single village on a world or very close to that point.

I think this all boils down to as mentioned what your goal is in the world if you wanted an end then join HP or a speed world which they have set the only way known to end this game which is a time limit.

Yes as worlds push forward they change settings for late game play ie low cost packets & no morale are the 2 that spring to mind but do not see anything else changing any time soon.

They will never set an end as it will mean all worlds before & after will also have to fall in line or at least the players of them will feel the need for them to be the same.

 

[DeletedUser]

Busamad, I totally understand it will have to be a setting for all future worlds and therefor extremely difficult to determine, but a tribe owning 90% of all occupied villages should not be a too weird goal imo, perhaps with the addition to have a +50% domination in each K. There cannot be any opposition left that way. It is a boring and long goal in the end, as not much opposition will be left for the last months, but at least it will be a goal to reach in those tedious moments...

Playing until there is 1 player left i ridiculous and goes against everything this game should stand for. TRIBAL Wars should end with a dominating tribe, not a dominating player...

 

[DeletedUser]

Now if all W12 players that still pay for premium would stop doing that. Then we might get somewhere.
When the game management then meet our demands and give us an ending scenario, then we could buy some premium again.
If they wont meet our demands and keep this situation as it is, I surely wont ever play TW again, and will advise every online gamer I know to not play this game

And if game management doesnt care well then so be it. But then they ruined what couldve been a nice gaming experience.
There's worse things in life



Oh and EJ I could care less why you lost 700ish cities.
It just looked suspicious, surely for a player of your "superiority"