yeah, let's review that little stat right there: Side 1: Tribes: Players: cshipley Side 2: Tribes: T-W-C Players: Timeframe: Forever Total conquers against opposite side: Side 1: 39 Side 2: 2 Difference: 37 Points value of total conquers against opposite side: Side 1: 355,451 Side 2: 20,373 Difference: 335,078 now, add another 39 for TWC ennoblements by ship. Next, gotta add in at least half of the abandoned/tribeless noblings by ship, as many of those belonged to T-W-C/TWC players: 140/2 = 70 time for some arithmetic people. 39+39+70= 148 out of 301 total noblings. And that's being kind on the abandoned/tribeless noblings. fraseryeah: abandoned/tribeless: 108 total. divide by two like for cshipley = 54. internal: Side 1: Tribes: Players: Fraseryeah Side 2: Tribes: Crysis Players: Timeframe: Forever Total conquers against opposite side: Side 1: 72 Side 2: 13 Difference: 59 Points value of total conquers against opposite side: Side 1: 644,674 Side 2: 105,204 Difference: 539,470 here comes that dreaded math again: 72+58 = 130 and, I'm willing to bet if someone actually compared things much closer, they'd find that cshipley widens that margin, since a lot of fraser's abandoned/tribeless nobling seem to be smaller villages.