Seagryfn
Guest
Dang it, Zvone.... you got spies everywhere! LOL.
MichielK
Guest
I'm not so much negative about Dust as I am positive about the strength of HRV.
You posted examples of tribes beating much bigger tribes on other worlds. There are two big difference between those other worlds and this one though:
1) Growing barbs: on most worlds, all it takes to grow huge is being active, staying out of trouble and not minding being a point whore. On W16, it requires more skill and planning...nobody becomes huge by accident here.
2) Speed: since this world puts a bigger emphasis on strategy and tactics and a smaller emphasis on the willingness to stay behind your computer for 8 hours a day, there is much more time for proper planning, brainstorming, etc. All this is in favor of either the attacking tribe or the larger tribe...and guess what? Dust is neither.
The bottom line is that a decent performance by HRV would require an exceptional performance by Dust to counter it...and I think HRV is capable of a lot more than just a decent performance.
DeletedUser
Guest
Lol I doubt Plights gonna declare war on =HRV=.
DeletedUser
Guest
You do realize that Plight, Dust, Coal, and Windex combined are about the same size overall as =HRV=, don't you?
I think that IF there is a Plight/=HRV= war, it will be a long, hard, stacked frontlines war like we saw between C2/CND and Bang!/ORC
But I don't see how you think that Dust could beat =HRV=. Yes that's a seperate frontline, and yes that means they'll have to pull support from the north to put in the south, but honestly, I think they could still run over you while at the same time fighting Plight. Looking at a map, you'll see that C2 controls almost all of the southwest. How do you think we got there? At the start of the war with CND, C2 territory stretched down to about K61 and K72. A several million point family tribe named WOTO controlled southern K72, K82, and part of K71 at the time and declared war on us. We continued to fight CND while crushing WOTO. I view this as the same thing.
Now on the other hand, that was a completely different group of people. Maybe, just maybe, what you say could come to be. I would honestly say that I'd be completely shocked, and I'd personally mail every Dust, Coal, and Windex member to apologize for doubting them. As unlikely as it is, nothings impossible.
DeletedUser
Guest
What about allies? I'm sure Plight and HRV have some strong allies. If they decided to fight each other, would their allies get into it too? I believe that whatever side c2 went with, would win.
Some of the smaller players that are in the same continents could probably take out Coal, and Windex. That's while the front lines with Plight are still stacked.
As for ~LS~ not focusing on Dust, what's to stop them? If they are friendly with c2, then there's nothing they should worry about.
Anyway, the Plight vs. =HRV= probably won't happen, at least not soon. So don't get your hopes up. :icon_wink:
DeletedUser
Guest
Why would we side with either tribe? We might just be content to sit and watch them fight it out like everyone else did when we were at war with CND, yet 4 other major tribes bordered them and did nothing.
And even if we did join the war, I think we might be able to swing the tide in Plight's favor if we fought =HRV=, but I don't think we could help much if we declared on Plight and helped =HRV=. Simple distance and small frontline would keep us as a minor factor against Plight, whereas we basically wrap around a large portion of =HRV=
Keep in mind that this is all speculation.
And even if we did join the war, I think we might be able to swing the tide in Plight's favor if we fought =HRV=, but I don't think we could help much if we declared on Plight and helped =HRV=. Simple distance and small frontline would keep us as a minor factor against Plight, whereas we basically wrap around a large portion of =HRV=
Keep in mind that this is all speculation.
DeletedUser
Guest
I think that C2 would most probably stay neutral as they are probably allied to both. Same goes for other allies of both tribes,you can`t know how the leadership will decide and who is allied to who.
DeletedUser
Guest
Does this mean its true?
Seagryfn
Guest
I will say only this... the "Wheelchair of Doom" is back!
(and watch our ODA in the days to come) :icon_wink:
(and watch our ODA in the days to come) :icon_wink:
DeletedUser
Guest
I will say only this... the "Wheelchair of Doom" is back!
(and watch our ODA in the days to come) :icon_wink:
Lmao, let's have a world war to spark this world up into life
I guess if you think about the possible map based on the favourites to win this war (HRV), you have to think about what will happen after that has happened. HRV will have the south east and the only way they can actually grow is towards the north and west after that, so I guess it's a case of declare or be declared on for some tribes. Maybe Plight would be next for HRV, maybe not, but it's a possibility if all of that happens.
The interesting question though is exactly what would happen if Plight did declare on HRV in relation to the rest of the world? I fully back what someone said about C2 probably staying neutral cos C2 as already stated only share one boarder with Plight, so there isn't really too much that they can do even if they do heavily stack that boarder...it would be too slow for them. Would C2 declare on HRV? I highly doubt that as well, based on your relationship with one another as it seems pretty strong. I'm not sure whether C2 want or need HRV's area either right now, so I see that as unlikely. Finally, what about BANG, PnX and *MK*. I have no idea, what does everyone think they would do if Plight declared on HRV? Nothing?...
DeletedUser
Guest
Yeah you are right, much faster worlds, but I've been here for a little while and I may just have recruited a few ~I~ players into Dust, just to help us with some HRV information...
Yeah I completely get your point on LS. I haven't checked the stats, but have they been internally nobling? If they've been doing a lot of that, then they are using up nobles. I just find it seriously suprising that they aren't even getting about 20K points in conquers from what I saw in yesterdays nobling. Maybe they are planning something, maybe there is something wrong...I honestly don't know, so I can't answer that question.
AxlTheCat
Guest
Let's get realistic. The 2 wars that had been dragging on (bang/orc and C2/CND) were getting nowhere, and are now over, the combatants having merged. The big core tribes are all suffering from inactivity. Lots of people have accounts they find too big to manage, so have stopped nobling. While we might not all be allied with each other, the status quo will not change. If it did and a world war erupted, half the players on each side would quit because they don't have the time.
So, instead, we have these little bush wars on the rim. million point players taking on 100k point players.
The 100k point players will win in the end, not because they defeat their enemy in battle, but simply that the enemy gets bored.
So, instead, we have these little bush wars on the rim. million point players taking on 100k point players.
The 100k point players will win in the end, not because they defeat their enemy in battle, but simply that the enemy gets bored.
DeletedUser
Guest
A very good point Axl.
DeletedUser
Guest
So does this mean Plight have declared war?
DeletedUser
Guest
Probably the wisest words ive read on these forums, thanks Axl for making an apperarance... it definitely makes a change for someone not to posture and make derisive comments and actually look at the world objectively, and coming from someone who has every right to bigtalk
I guess the point is that tribes prefer to keep hold of what they have rather than risk it in a war...
Personally id like to see a massive world war just for the fun of it... dont forget a world in flames keeps us all warm through the winter!
DeletedUser
Guest
I disagree with only one point, the issue of who wins. The enemy may, perhaps, get bored. But I doubt the 100k point players would win, simply because I doubt that the 100k point players could withstand the people who didn't quit because of boredom, and fought on.
An example: I quit because the game bores me while we're fighting Tari. The players who don't quit will sit my account until 60 days are up or they noble me out, but until then they can still destroy Tari to their heart's content with my troops.
No offense to Tari or anything, just an example.
MichielK
Guest
Nice post, Axl. I'm afraid I disagree on some points though.
Wouldn't the mergers you mentioned take care of that quite effectively? Personally, I think that at this stage in the game, the real prize of a war is not necessarily territory but access to skilled players. Inactivity is a problem for any tribe in any world, but BANG and C² probably suffer less from it now than Plight and HRV.
I spend roughly an equal amount of time dealing with the day to day operations (buildings, troops, regular expansion) of a 250+ village account as I did when I had 50 villages. Premium takes care of most of it in the same amount of time regardless of account size, and expansion is limited by the 1-1.3 nobles a day we each can save up.
Most of the big tribes that are left consist of veterans of at least one major conflict. Since they have some experience, I can't see them running for the hills at the first sign of incoming attacks. Most of the people likely to quit in case of war should be weeded out of the world by now.
Wouldn't the mergers you mentioned take care of that quite effectively? Personally, I think that at this stage in the game, the real prize of a war is not necessarily territory but access to skilled players. Inactivity is a problem for any tribe in any world, but BANG and C² probably suffer less from it now than Plight and HRV.
I spend roughly an equal amount of time dealing with the day to day operations (buildings, troops, regular expansion) of a 250+ village account as I did when I had 50 villages. Premium takes care of most of it in the same amount of time regardless of account size, and expansion is limited by the 1-1.3 nobles a day we each can save up.
Most of the big tribes that are left consist of veterans of at least one major conflict. Since they have some experience, I can't see them running for the hills at the first sign of incoming attacks. Most of the people likely to quit in case of war should be weeded out of the world by now.
DeletedUser
Guest
Does that include the managing of troops, such as support and attacks?
I think the point was about tagging, dodging, and sniping? I think that would take up some time.
You would think, and yet...still lots of them out there
I think this has gone off-topic a little.
DeletedUser
Guest
Ok back on topic. I think we are about 5 days into this conflict. Still not much to say right now.
Side 1:
Tribes: Dust Shroud
Players:
Side 2:
Tribes: =HRV= HRVa ~LS~
Players:
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 23
Side 2: 15
Difference: 8
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 211,595
Side 2: 157,217
Difference: 54,378
Side 1:
Tribes: Dust Shroud
Players:
Side 2:
Tribes: =HRV= HRVa ~LS~
Players:
Timeframe: Last week
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 23
Side 2: 15
Difference: 8
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 211,595
Side 2: 157,217
Difference: 54,378
DeletedUser
Guest
Were doing better than most people expected. Weve found the inactives, nobled them, and are now advancing onto the active players. We found that tibido was inactive but hes not any more. We nobled a few villages off him while he was inactive though. Were also picking off Angela2067 and Camil5000 pretty quickly who are both active. So...
Anybody who thinks were just picking off the inactives... WERE NOT!
(as you can tell im in dust :icon_wink
Anybody who thinks were just picking off the inactives... WERE NOT!
(as you can tell im in dust :icon_wink
