Yup, I made these bunch of blind unloyal soldiers a thread. They say in the land of the blind the man with one eye is king, I believe I am that king or at least i had some foresight unto these events. So as most you know I a N00B that has lead some pretty good players in the game but always got myself in some sort of trouble. But since I was betrayed 2+ time in under a month I decided to make a post.

Behold, the moment you have all been waiting for. A while back we mentioned a few things on the forums. We now have enough evidence to support the claims. Tribe, it is up to you to decide what happens to these people:


They have all been conspiring against the rest for over 3 months. You can read the full chatlog here:

Also to make this fun to read I decided to tell you where some free vills are at according to alysis. Never mind I let her/him tell you:
Ayliyas on 15.01. at 19:24
Go for any -M-

benfarmin,patconva and dodru are the only active ones so expect retaliation if you attack them.

put the basher tribe idea on the forums for the others to see to
But hey if you are to far away to get any action check this email out: Be patient.

led to:[/QUOTE] But what?
12/28/2011 11:43:51 AM] Ayliyas: Hiya
[12/28/2011 11:44:10 AM] Noir: (wave)
[12/28/2011 11:44:11 AM] Ayliyas: How are you?
[12/28/2011 11:45:03 AM] Noir: Pretty good, just been lazy the past few days :) you?
[12/28/2011 11:45:41 AM] Ayliyas: I'm alright. Yeah me too, christmas break, irrational sleep patterns
[12/28/2011 11:46:26 AM] Ayliyas: I wanted to a little about us/ w55 etc
[12/28/2011 11:46:42 AM] Ayliyas: I tribes aren't exactly friends at the moment.
[12/28/2011 11:47:02 AM] Noir: That is quite true. ;o
[12/28/2011 11:47:09 AM] Ayliyas: But what would your view be on the possible recruitment of a couple of us
[12/28/2011 11:47:17 AM] Ayliyas: Or is it completely written off due to our roots in Temp
[12/28/2011 11:48:42 AM] Noir: well, regardless of anything else, your trust captical would be quite low considering the fact that you guys switched sides from helping munts to helping innov.
[12/28/2011 11:49:11 AM] Ayliyas: smurks talks alot of rubbish
[12/28/2011 11:49:27 AM] Ayliyas: We switched for the right reasons
[12/28/2011 11:50:03 AM] Noir: I'd be interested to hear about that then. :)
[12/28/2011 11:50:21 AM] Ayliyas: We learned MUNTS and INNOV were best of friends prior to the Temp breakdown.
[12/28/2011 11:50:42 AM] Ayliyas: Being failed by the leadership, we created a tribe to create some form of resistance, alone we were food.
[12/28/2011 11:51:47 AM] Ayliyas: So INNOV declare etc we fight. At this point MUNTS intentions were to recruit Please? and a few others as he was good friends with Chris and Tony
[12/28/2011 11:52:07 AM] Ayliyas: But somebody fell out with Panamax
[12/28/2011 11:52:18 AM] Ayliyas: and then they fought themselves :D
[12/28/2011 11:52:19 AM] Noir: ah, panamax (chuckle)
[12/28/2011 11:52:53 AM] Ayliyas: His story is quite an interesting one
[12/28/2011 11:53:14 AM] Ayliyas: I bet you didn't think his end would be the way it happened ;)
[12/28/2011 11:53:50 AM] Ayliyas: But yeah, MUNTS and INNOV go to war
[12/28/2011 11:53:57 AM] Ayliyas: We help MUNTS out
[12/28/2011 11:54:18 AM] Ayliyas: but still got mocked for being ex-temp
[12/28/2011 11:54:47 AM] Ayliyas: They'd sit Please?'s account, we didn't mind
[12/28/2011 11:54:55 AM] Ayliyas: But then he sabotaged it and left with it
[12/28/2011 11:54:58 AM] Ayliyas: and joined MUNTS
[12/28/2011 11:55:10 AM] Ayliyas: Mike returns and thinks he has been kicked
[12/28/2011 11:55:24 AM] Ayliyas: It's just all a mess basically
[12/28/2011 11:55:32 AM] Noir: I haven't really talked with please? much aside from when he first formed XXXX
[12/28/2011 11:55:33 AM] Ayliyas: We didn't feel loved :p
[12/28/2011 11:56:15 AM] Ayliyas: He has gone now
[12/28/2011 11:56:38 AM] Ayliyas: Playing 60 I think.
[12/28/2011 11:57:06 AM] Noir: It happens. :)
[12/28/2011 11:57:15 AM] Ayliyas: It didn't come to a surprise
[12/28/2011 11:57:25 AM | Edited 11:57:38 AM] Ayliyas: 5/6 of the Temp leadership quit when under attack
[12/28/2011 11:57:42 AM] Ayliyas: Please? was only to follow the trend
[12/28/2011 11:57:47 AM] Noir: It wasnt a tribe ready to war
[12/28/2011 11:58:03 AM] Ayliyas: I only joined 2 weeks before the breakdown
[12/28/2011 11:58:31 AM] Ayliyas: So I'm not fully aware of the all the politics that go back to the Fray days
[12/28/2011 11:58:46 AM] Ayliyas: But was aware of your heated discussions with Jen though ;)
[12/28/2011 11:59:04 AM] Ayliyas: The declaraving, we joined forces to work on MUNTS.
[12/28/2011 12:03:19 PM] Noir: Then the question would become what is inspiring you to want to betray your alliance to the tribe I have no doubt is asking you to help them organize against us? :p
[12/28/2011 12:03:43 PM] Ayliyas: I wouldn't call it betrayal
[12/28/2011 12:03:47 PM] Ayliyas: As we're not quite there yet
[12/28/2011 12:03:49 PM] Ayliyas: :)
[12/28/2011 12:04:20 PM] Ayliyas: I'll be honest with you.
[12/28/2011 12:04:33 PM] Ayliyas: This can go either ways
[12/28/2011 12:04:51 PM] Ayliyas: Evo doesn't have many great players remaining
[12/28/2011 12:05:18 PM] Ayliyas: I don't feel this tribe is going to go much further
[12/28/2011 12:05:39 PM] Ayliyas: I mean, the ops on MUNTS and Bawlz were a success but I can't see it working
[12/28/2011 12:07:14 PM] Noir: The last month or so BAWLZ seems to be doing much more to you guys than the other way around ;o
[12/28/2011 12:07:29 PM] Ayliyas: Let down by the inactives
[12/28/2011 12:07:57 PM] Noir: that's one thing that happens I suppose
[12/28/2011 12:08:32 PM] Noir: I know you guys wouldn't have a MUNTS front if INNOV wasn't so full of themslves though.
[12/28/2011 12:08:33 PM] Noir: (chuckle)
[12/28/2011 12:09:45 PM] Ayliyas: :)
[12/28/2011 12:10:53 PM] Noir: BAWLZ told me earlier today that you spoke to them about the same thing
[12/28/2011 12:10:59 PM] Ayliyas: yes
[12/28/2011 12:11:48 PM] Ayliyas: I want to move on from this mess, which ever way :)
[12/28/2011 12:12:20 PM] Ayliyas: And the players that are with me I'd say are pretty good
[12/28/2011 12:13:27 PM] Noir: trial by fire is normally the best way to tell (chuckle)
[12/28/2011 12:13:51 PM] Ayliyas: :D
[12/28/2011 12:14:07 PM] Ayliyas: Well the Martin account was looked after by a few of us
[12/28/2011 12:15:17 PM] Noir: Unfortunately I was absent for the entire month of november, though I understand a lot of people di dn't launch like they were supposed to when they tried to op him then :D
[12/28/2011 12:15:36 PM] Ayliyas: I have to admit I felt like this wasn't quite it
[12/28/2011 12:16:07 PM] Ayliyas: But yeah, a bunch of people pointed out that not everybody had participated etc
[12/28/2011 12:16:11 PM] Noir: apparently people are much lazier when I'm not bugging them
[12/28/2011 12:16:12 PM] Noir: :D
[12/28/2011 12:18:00 PM] Ayliyas: So yeah.. where do you see this going?
[12/28/2011 12:19:01 PM] Noir: I would need to consult my council on anything of this sort. But my guess is that most will be reluctant to trust you guys at this particular moment.
[12/28/2011 12:19:08 PM] Ayliyas: I understand
[12/28/2011 12:19:37 PM] Ayliyas: Yeah, with all the propaganda pumped around, it would be hard to trust us
[12/28/2011 12:19:46 PM] Noir: Also in gneral, I have to ask, what do you intend to do to those left behind?
[12/28/2011 12:20:31 PM] Ayliyas: Fair game I guess. The ones I think stand a chance in a war situation I'd like to bring with me.
[12/28/2011 12:22:10 PM] Ayliyas: That there is only a few.
[12/28/2011 12:23:06 PM] Ayliyas: Some of these people I do not even know, someone went trigger happy when TV broke up :D
[12/28/2011 12:23:31 PM] Noir: I suppose I'm one of the few people with the luxury of saying I feel like everyone in my tribe stands a chance in a war situation, and even if they didn't individually the tribe would make sure they stood a chance ;o
[12/28/2011 12:23:46 PM] Ayliyas: I felt similarly
[12/28/2011 12:23:54 PM] Ayliyas: But it's died down a bit.
[12/28/2011 12:28:10 PM] Ayliyas: I've been completely honest with you Noir
[12/28/2011 12:28:43 PM] Ayliyas: You could, strike while the iron is hot and get the better of us during these times
[12/28/2011 12:28:48 PM] Ayliyas: It's all down to you :)
[12/28/2011 12:31:23 PM] Noir: Well, we haven't been planning heavily for you aside from knowing that we should expect evo to declare on us whenever innov decides we've nobled enough from them that they should declare on us :D
[12/28/2011 12:33:23 PM] Noir: From a leaders perspective, if I were you I would reorganize your tribe to play with only people you want to play with, and I say this because if there's ever a point where you consider anyone in your tribe a meat shield or unequal to anyone else in the tribe there's going to be some chemistry issues. I treat everyone in my tribe as if they were my coleaders, even though they aren't. Everyone plays their role, even the ones near the bottom of the list that don't grow as fast as everyone else.
[12/28/2011 12:33:31 PM] Noir: But I can take your case to my council either way.
[12/28/2011 12:34:25 PM] Ayliyas: I understand
[12/28/2011 12:34:51 PM] Ayliyas: And it is most likely that is what we end up doing
[12/28/2011 12:35:41 PM] Ayliyas: We considered it at first but then I thought I'd speak to tribes around us see if they are interested.
[12/28/2011 12:36:08 PM] Noir: Understandable. :)
[12/28/2011 12:53:01 PM] Noir: I posted a transcript of the convo in a debate thread in my council area. :)
So this is the 3 forth of my hand. I will be posting more information later. Call me what you will, but it seem as if I was betrayed more than those who betrayed me. I joined fubar 3 times to get kicked in under 5 minute's. To be honest there is alot more going on than what appears to be. I wish everyone the best, but as sun tzu said: .

1. It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, to surrond him: if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous , to divide our army into two.

2. Choices matter, brain over brawn. Choose battle worth fighting.

3. Opportunity multiply as they are seized.
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I do not by any means to troll the fourms, just get things on the express train to the end of the world( Game wise ).


1 Person gets kicked for being useless
2 person gets ahold of info and twists it to make his former tribe look bad

Guess this is the way of TW politics? lol its almost as funny as the guy we kicked for being useless then the most work he did ever was turtle and fought back to prove some kinda point, Then he became really active out of nowhere.

The 2 stories are kinda the same right? You can learn the same thing from both, Bad attitudes cant be fixed and people with such need some kinda "revenge" to make them happy as they go out.
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Looks like you took it personal. I did not twist the information read the skype convo yourself. Also how active should i be? 13 hrs a day? Because between trying to get a proper education, working a job, voulteering, and studying where dose one find the time to be as loyal as you hope? Should i abandon my future for something that is monetary? No. I focus my attention on the long run, while you focus on the game. Lastly if you are so smart tell me where did you benefit in alysis plan? Or were you one of the selected few?

Ps: she said i was kicked cause she thought i was a spy... Then later on admitted she was wrong.

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Also im active because my work load is changing, but since your stuck on tribal hugging feel free to voice one sided view. Have you ever heard ofnthe straw man fallacy ? Your not even responding to my arguement, you are shifting the converstation to another focus to simply sound like you have a good gasp on the topic.

Tomsky thank you for reading. How doss one as yourself feel about rhe information?


Seriously HSG if this is the best you can come up with then you really have not paid attention at all


Seriously HSG if this is the best you can come up with then you really have not paid attention at all
I have, but what else is there? You can assume alot but the question is what are the facts. It seem like alysis has done some pretty good talking... Lol. But ok.


your a fool for betraying your own tribe. fight until the bitter end. no need to hurt your old tribe because of mixed emotions. leave the world delete. no need to look like a fool and get a crappy rep because of it. if you feel they betrayed you then fine; feel that way. there is a thing called other worlds. should try it instead of sticking around and being bitter.


your a fool for betraying your own tribe. fight until the bitter end. no need to hurt your old tribe because of mixed emotions. leave the world delete. no need to look like a fool and get a crappy rep because of it. if you feel they betrayed you then fine; feel that way. there is a thing called other worlds. should try it instead of sticking around and being bitter.
Actually i do not look like a fool considering you can not see my face.
Also i am not bitted, i take everything as a grain of salt. In by me do so im alittle tangy.
You said fight to the end... Lol why suggest i delete? Hum.
In this crappy rep that you assume i have, that can be fixed with a new account. Is that not what most people do in this game? Also they were not my tribe after they kicked me for thing i was with -_m_- but being wrong. Then apologizing in reinviting me after sitting me then attacking me. Also this is one of those fun things you know. Becauss somone you saved from a past teibe votes to rim you and also get mad because you do not defend them when they are wrong. Also i would try another world but i enjoy making people mad on this one. See once you get into people emotions you get into there mind slowly allow you to destroy there behind there wall. also my crappy rep is not half as bad as some other people. Lastly hi five.... Oops sorry to slow.


Lol well i guess its a good thing i haven't and probably will never care what others think in this game.

Hot you fail to realize is that to a leader your attitude is worth far more then everything else you spoke about, Thats why you are where you are today, Bad attitude.


Lol bad attitude. From my convo i never had one, i actually talked to alysis in told him i was sorry in i had no hard feeling than we talked about music for awhile. But none the less, you can not hold a convo with out diverting from the topic. Did you look at the video?
Attitude: omg you a fool... Learn to read. For the last time. Can anyone tell me that they would be ok or happy if they got the sams hand as me. I was over loyal if anything... The facts speak for them selves.

Lastly idc becauss meee dooknnttt caaarrres !!!
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hey spaceguy can u hunt up some info for me plz 0.o

i been trying to locate a list of bradfords offensive vills but it seems he only attacks his own ex tribe mates. usually u can get stuff like that from ur enemy. bradford..well that's a different matter, maybe he's not quite sure he has an enemy beside ex tribemates :icon_redface:

can u find out for me if he is abit like pacmon plz? could he be a turtle? is that why he is so quiet?

btw if anyone has any bradford attack reports can u forward to me, thanks in advance, i would like to see how he is being made famous.

i appreciate the help!


Most, if not all his offensive villages are named "Revolution". I don't have reports to show for so you're just going to have to take my word for it ;)