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First of all, I'll apologize for my english and the length of this post. My english isn't the best, please bear with me. And if the post is too long for you, please skip this and continue with your life . Comments like tl;dr aren't needed.
I will admit I have played W58 for a very short duration, for about a week or so, since around the 27th of June, till about 4th of July. So, please excuse me if I have some errors in what I say. I played on the Robinr account.
Vinny is a good friend of mine for quite some time now. He told me he was close to quitting W58 because he simply didn't have the time anymore, all his coplayers had left. He had about 15k incomings, was on a frontline account, and his account seemed to be all along the front. He had gained a massive amount of ODD and lost many villages by this time. He was doing his best but was burning out and couldn't play it solo anymore. This made me both happy, and sad. Happy because he could concentrate on W59, where he is my tribemate. At that time, the endgame war in W59 was imminent, which ofcourse has kicked of a few days ago. Sad, because I knew Vinny was not a quitter, he was a fighter. He said he did what he possibly could with the time he had, but playing solo just wouldn't work. He tried his best to find a coplayer, but couldn't. All his coplayers had left him. So I offered to coplay him temporarily in W58 till he could find a coplayer. I made it crystal clear that I would be there only temporarily, and Michel assured me he would find a coplayer for Vinny by the time I had to leave.
The day I joined , the account was in a mess. Almost all troops were dead. Nukes seemed to be headed to apparently each and every village the account had, with many nobles headed in. The walls we simply being demolished, being rebuilt, and then getting demolished again. Blissful Koalas joining Honor had really screwed over the Robinr account because he messed up all the planning in the planning that had been done for the war. His villages were very well clustered and stacked, and were in between and all around our villages. There were Nukes and nobles flying in from multiple Honor members. He had killed all the troops he could and was close to literally 0 troops, with very little support coming. There was no way the account would work like this, he sniped/recapped as much as he could. But there is a limit to how much sniping will work. You can't snipe when the loyalty has been brought down to 20 by previous nobles. Even if it was a snipable attack, there were no troops left to snipe with, or recap.
I had joined the Fork skype chat. What I saw was very disappointing. Instead of asking Vinny if he needed help, through troops or sitting, what he was told was, Vinny please stop losing villages, you are making us and the stats look bad... If it wasn't for you, we would be far ahead in the warstats. This may have been said in jest, but it was not appreciated. There were other instances of people wondering whether they should send their troops to the front, as they were situated in the backline. Thus too far (100 hours of travel time is too much for stacking I guess, especially given this is the endgame war). There were other disputes about farming and farmshaping (each other's villages i think) which again I didn't understand. The endgame war was on, but that was not important ofcourse , troops should rather be used for farming. I remember once(not on the first day, but a day after that)
that people were bashing Honor and Koalas, saying that a tribe doesn't deserve to be called a tribe if they don't support each other. In the middle of this conversation, I mentioned that we had a support request put up in the forums, and for the last 24 hours, no one had replied. My message was completely ignored. They didn't even pretend to not read it by keeping quiet, they simply continued their conversation completely ignoring me.
I took up this issue with Michel, asking him why was there no support being offered ? He said that they wern't offering support because Vinny didn't ask for it. Wasn't it obvious from the fact that Vinny was losing villages and gaining massive amounts of ODD that he needed it? Now I don't know how things are normally done, I was under the impression the leader/council/defense commander or whatever you want to call them, was supposed to find out where defence was needed, especially when they know the endgame war is on? I maybe wrong, but I think Fork declared on Honor(atleast thats what the ingame war declaration shows). Even if it is the other way around, I remember reading somewhere that there was a week of ceasefire between the 2 sides before the war kicked off. If not later, atleast before the war they should have organized this? Anyways, I maybe wrong, and maybe thats not the way most tribes work.
So I set about looking through the entire account, and made a list of what villages needed how much defence. it totalled to roughly 300 Ds(if I remember correctly) Immediately there was a cry in the skypechat, saying we are asking for way too much, that list surely totaled to 2000 D! When we pointed out it was about 300-400, he said it was still way too much. Considering that the account was getting hammered by nukes and nobles, had lost lots of villages and gained lots of ODD, was clearly the target of the enemy, and that the Fork family has over 30,000 villages, I don't think asking for 300 D was too much.
We got 0 responses for the first 24 hours.
Needless to say, we were highly discouraged the first day. We were still helplessly watching Honor noble our villages away.
After about a day, someone offered massive amount of defence (I apologize for not remembering who did, all the names were new to me) and that person alone covered between 1/3 to 1/2 of what we had asked for(thank you very much to whoever it was) it was after this that finally people started offering troops. by then next 2 days, about 60-80% of what we had asked us for was covered. The account seemed to finally be on the road to recovery. We stopped losing villages, and started gaining lots of villages, even got great power of the day once or twice I think. We were very optimistic now, with lots of defence flying in. It was still hard, with their villages stacked, and ours still waiting for the troops to arrive( some troops were coming from a long way out). Because of 24x7 dodging ,we finally started getting small amounts of troops produced in our villages, and could temporarily stack ourselves against the short range nukes and nobles. Many villages were 1-1.4 units away, even 10 minutes of not being there meant you could not be sure whether the incoming was a noble or a nuke. Tagging was one thing, sniping/recapping and subsequently stacking was really really had, as they had multiple members right next door. But we endured, I and vinny burned our backs to get the account in shape. I remember postponing a meeting with my instructor because no one in the tribe wanted to take the sit. Luckily the next day, when I did have to go, someone did take it.
I left the account on the 3rd or 4th, optimistic about the account's future. The troops that had been given to us were placed by us as strategically possible. Around this time Fork really started dominating in the warstats (or atleast I think it was this time, not completely sure), so I thought the tribe might now pay more attention to this wide too, and make things easier on Vinny. I had to leave as the endgame war had been declared, and was a week away. My account had many responsibilities there, partly being organising the tribe's defence. My coplayer had to leave for a week, and I really needed to concentrate there. But convinced that things were set here, I left.
After this, I left the Fork chats . So, all I know after this is by continuing to track the progress through twstats and and the externals, and ofcourse by talking to Vinny everyday.
Without a coplayer, again Vinny started burning out. Because the account wasn't online all the time, we couldn't dodge troops and the halfarmies that had been formed that week again started dying, buildings started getting demolished again, and eventually we started losing villages again. Michel kept saying he would get a coplayer, but couldn't. Understandably, I don't blame Michel for this, it isn't in his hand that someone agrees to play or not.
Finally he did find one person to play, who apparently freaked out by just seeing the number of incomings. From what I heard, he didn't even know how to tag properly. He sent the precious few nukes and trains we had out 24 hours out and got them killed, and within a day of joining quit.
Vinny was left solo again.
After a few days, Michel found another coplayer. Andrew, I think his name was. Michel personally vouched for him and his skill. From what I hear, he was a decent player, and played for a few days. But he "suddenly disappeared" , probably because he wasn't able to handle the stress.
So, for the last 20 days, he has played almost entirely solo(excluding the time Andrew was here, and that one day the other guy was, though I don't know if that was more damaging than helping or not). From what I hear, some Fork have been sitting him as much as possible , but that wasn't enough. Some sitters really did take care of the account, but some did nothing, didn't even tag the new incomings.
Now, finally to WHY I made this post.
Firstly, Good job there Michel. Slamming a player on the frontline who has been giving his best, publicly on the tribe's main chat is very nice, displays your leadership qualities. Secondly, He barely got attacked? He has gained 20 million ODD in the last week, have a look at the stats before you talk. http://www.twstats.com/en58/index.php?page=player&id=966851&mode=history
You call him pathetic? Wow, he has been burning out himself, devoting almost all his waking hours on TW, but ofcourse what bothers you that you are not having a great day because the stats say he lost 11 villages. He isn't a 15 year old brat who has nothing to do but play TW, he has a wife, kids and a job. He's still been putting that much time here, that doesn't bother you?
Secondly, WHY did he go yellow? He told you that he'll be away, and YOU asked him to set waffler man as his sitter. What did Vinny do? Set waffler man as his sitter. Waffler man doesn't take the sit and the account goes yellow. OFCOURSE it is Vinny's fault? right?
I can't begin to explain how wrong this is. I would tell you how I feel about you, but that would earn me an infraction.
So lets see, what has he done wrong? He played his best and gave it his all for 30 days. Don't you dare call him unskilled, I've seen what he has been doing. Most people quit the moment they see many incomings, or lose a few villages. This man has lost more than 250 villages, and still is fighting. You blame his for getting your troops killed? What the hell is he supposed to do when there are nukes and trains incoming? you clearly don't want him to get your troops kills, you don't like that. Lose the village? nah then your leader's day wouldn't be great anymore :icon_cry: and we surely don't want your leader's day to not be great anymore right?
The coplayers you guys gave and vouched for failed so miserably. They couldn't handle half the pressure Vinny has been handling solo, while they atleast had Vinny with them when they were on. Most of the time, when sitters were requested, the chat and forum would go dead silent. Even if a sitter was given, many times he did nothing, not even tag.
Oh yeah I forgot, he stopped you guys from having a great day by losing villages.
Look at the language Vinny used, and the language you use. Have the decency to talk properly to someone when they talk to you respectfully.
This is Dan, asking in the Fork chat whether Vinny can coplay hi:
Yeah, Vinny will come back to Fork to screw Fork over. Thats clearly his intention, to screw Fork over. Thats why He has given his account's sit to a Fork player to internal, Because that will be screwing over Fork.
I'm ashamed to think that a few days ago I respected Fork. I met many players on W58, and came to respect many of them. This has shocked me.
You guys have been taking advantage of Vinny. He is too nice for you bunch of people. While he should be yelling at you all for not sending support and for not sitting him when he desperately requires it, he always spoke nicely. What did you folk do? Insult him, make fun of him, and make him quit. It is your loss really, you are the ones losing a player as good as Vinny, The man has lost 250+ villages and has been standing. Whats so sad is its his own tribe who are insulting him and making him quit. What a wonderful way to thank him for the effort he has been putting in. I was glad to see that atleast some people in the tribe stood up for Vinny.
Now I don't know for sure. I've come to respect many in w58, and w58 seems to respect Michel and the Fork Leadership, so they must be good. Maybe this is just an offcase, and it rarely happens, or that I've been misled and given wrong information, but if I was in a tribe and saw what happened to Vinny being done to my tribemate, I wouldn't want to be in that tribe anymore.
If I was Vinny, I wouldn't offer my villages to you, I wouldn't even press delete. I would attack you for how you treated me, and gifted my villages to Blissful Koalas, he clearly deserves it more than you. Through fighting him and having small chats with him, I've come to respect him, as a player, and as a person.
Be glad Vinny is being nice and giving you the sit, instead of punishing you for what you did.
In conclusion, Good job Fork, you've made one of your best players quit. The way things are going, Fork will win the world, but I sincerely hope this doesn't happen.
Now we can have fun in W59. Vinny wouldn't speak up, so I found it important to clear his name, shouldn't be tarnished because of you people. Good day to you all, and the best of luck in RL
I will admit I have played W58 for a very short duration, for about a week or so, since around the 27th of June, till about 4th of July. So, please excuse me if I have some errors in what I say. I played on the Robinr account.
Vinny is a good friend of mine for quite some time now. He told me he was close to quitting W58 because he simply didn't have the time anymore, all his coplayers had left. He had about 15k incomings, was on a frontline account, and his account seemed to be all along the front. He had gained a massive amount of ODD and lost many villages by this time. He was doing his best but was burning out and couldn't play it solo anymore. This made me both happy, and sad. Happy because he could concentrate on W59, where he is my tribemate. At that time, the endgame war in W59 was imminent, which ofcourse has kicked of a few days ago. Sad, because I knew Vinny was not a quitter, he was a fighter. He said he did what he possibly could with the time he had, but playing solo just wouldn't work. He tried his best to find a coplayer, but couldn't. All his coplayers had left him. So I offered to coplay him temporarily in W58 till he could find a coplayer. I made it crystal clear that I would be there only temporarily, and Michel assured me he would find a coplayer for Vinny by the time I had to leave.
The day I joined , the account was in a mess. Almost all troops were dead. Nukes seemed to be headed to apparently each and every village the account had, with many nobles headed in. The walls we simply being demolished, being rebuilt, and then getting demolished again. Blissful Koalas joining Honor had really screwed over the Robinr account because he messed up all the planning in the planning that had been done for the war. His villages were very well clustered and stacked, and were in between and all around our villages. There were Nukes and nobles flying in from multiple Honor members. He had killed all the troops he could and was close to literally 0 troops, with very little support coming. There was no way the account would work like this, he sniped/recapped as much as he could. But there is a limit to how much sniping will work. You can't snipe when the loyalty has been brought down to 20 by previous nobles. Even if it was a snipable attack, there were no troops left to snipe with, or recap.
I had joined the Fork skype chat. What I saw was very disappointing. Instead of asking Vinny if he needed help, through troops or sitting, what he was told was, Vinny please stop losing villages, you are making us and the stats look bad... If it wasn't for you, we would be far ahead in the warstats. This may have been said in jest, but it was not appreciated. There were other instances of people wondering whether they should send their troops to the front, as they were situated in the backline. Thus too far (100 hours of travel time is too much for stacking I guess, especially given this is the endgame war). There were other disputes about farming and farmshaping (each other's villages i think) which again I didn't understand. The endgame war was on, but that was not important ofcourse , troops should rather be used for farming. I remember once(not on the first day, but a day after that)
that people were bashing Honor and Koalas, saying that a tribe doesn't deserve to be called a tribe if they don't support each other. In the middle of this conversation, I mentioned that we had a support request put up in the forums, and for the last 24 hours, no one had replied. My message was completely ignored. They didn't even pretend to not read it by keeping quiet, they simply continued their conversation completely ignoring me.
I took up this issue with Michel, asking him why was there no support being offered ? He said that they wern't offering support because Vinny didn't ask for it. Wasn't it obvious from the fact that Vinny was losing villages and gaining massive amounts of ODD that he needed it? Now I don't know how things are normally done, I was under the impression the leader/council/defense commander or whatever you want to call them, was supposed to find out where defence was needed, especially when they know the endgame war is on? I maybe wrong, but I think Fork declared on Honor(atleast thats what the ingame war declaration shows). Even if it is the other way around, I remember reading somewhere that there was a week of ceasefire between the 2 sides before the war kicked off. If not later, atleast before the war they should have organized this? Anyways, I maybe wrong, and maybe thats not the way most tribes work.
So I set about looking through the entire account, and made a list of what villages needed how much defence. it totalled to roughly 300 Ds(if I remember correctly) Immediately there was a cry in the skypechat, saying we are asking for way too much, that list surely totaled to 2000 D! When we pointed out it was about 300-400, he said it was still way too much. Considering that the account was getting hammered by nukes and nobles, had lost lots of villages and gained lots of ODD, was clearly the target of the enemy, and that the Fork family has over 30,000 villages, I don't think asking for 300 D was too much.
We got 0 responses for the first 24 hours.
Needless to say, we were highly discouraged the first day. We were still helplessly watching Honor noble our villages away.
After about a day, someone offered massive amount of defence (I apologize for not remembering who did, all the names were new to me) and that person alone covered between 1/3 to 1/2 of what we had asked for(thank you very much to whoever it was) it was after this that finally people started offering troops. by then next 2 days, about 60-80% of what we had asked us for was covered. The account seemed to finally be on the road to recovery. We stopped losing villages, and started gaining lots of villages, even got great power of the day once or twice I think. We were very optimistic now, with lots of defence flying in. It was still hard, with their villages stacked, and ours still waiting for the troops to arrive( some troops were coming from a long way out). Because of 24x7 dodging ,we finally started getting small amounts of troops produced in our villages, and could temporarily stack ourselves against the short range nukes and nobles. Many villages were 1-1.4 units away, even 10 minutes of not being there meant you could not be sure whether the incoming was a noble or a nuke. Tagging was one thing, sniping/recapping and subsequently stacking was really really had, as they had multiple members right next door. But we endured, I and vinny burned our backs to get the account in shape. I remember postponing a meeting with my instructor because no one in the tribe wanted to take the sit. Luckily the next day, when I did have to go, someone did take it.
I left the account on the 3rd or 4th, optimistic about the account's future. The troops that had been given to us were placed by us as strategically possible. Around this time Fork really started dominating in the warstats (or atleast I think it was this time, not completely sure), so I thought the tribe might now pay more attention to this wide too, and make things easier on Vinny. I had to leave as the endgame war had been declared, and was a week away. My account had many responsibilities there, partly being organising the tribe's defence. My coplayer had to leave for a week, and I really needed to concentrate there. But convinced that things were set here, I left.
After this, I left the Fork chats . So, all I know after this is by continuing to track the progress through twstats and and the externals, and ofcourse by talking to Vinny everyday.
Without a coplayer, again Vinny started burning out. Because the account wasn't online all the time, we couldn't dodge troops and the halfarmies that had been formed that week again started dying, buildings started getting demolished again, and eventually we started losing villages again. Michel kept saying he would get a coplayer, but couldn't. Understandably, I don't blame Michel for this, it isn't in his hand that someone agrees to play or not.
Finally he did find one person to play, who apparently freaked out by just seeing the number of incomings. From what I heard, he didn't even know how to tag properly. He sent the precious few nukes and trains we had out 24 hours out and got them killed, and within a day of joining quit.
Vinny was left solo again.
After a few days, Michel found another coplayer. Andrew, I think his name was. Michel personally vouched for him and his skill. From what I hear, he was a decent player, and played for a few days. But he "suddenly disappeared" , probably because he wasn't able to handle the stress.
So, for the last 20 days, he has played almost entirely solo(excluding the time Andrew was here, and that one day the other guy was, though I don't know if that was more damaging than helping or not). From what I hear, some Fork have been sitting him as much as possible , but that wasn't enough. Some sitters really did take care of the account, but some did nothing, didn't even tag the new incomings.
Now, finally to WHY I made this post.
[7/22/12 6:10:35 PM] michel(Destabilise): robinr lost 11 villages
[7/22/12 6:10:45 PM] michel(Destabilise): and he barely got attacked
[7/22/12 6:11:18 PM] michel(Destabilise): i'm on the verge of getting everyone to recall there support
[7/22/12 6:11:39 PM] michel(Destabilise): if he can't be bothered to help himself why should we help him
Firstly, Good job there Michel. Slamming a player on the frontline who has been giving his best, publicly on the tribe's main chat is very nice, displays your leadership qualities. Secondly, He barely got attacked? He has gained 20 million ODD in the last week, have a look at the stats before you talk. http://www.twstats.com/en58/index.php?page=player&id=966851&mode=history
[7/22/12 6:11:42 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: |-(
[7/22/12 6:11:48 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: Seriously...
[7/22/12 6:11:52 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: Again?
[7/22/12 6:11:56 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: (facepalm)
[7/22/12 6:12:20 PM] michel(Destabilise): he probably never even went online once
[7/22/12 6:12:36 PM] michel(Destabilise): but then again he will blame tribe
[7/22/12 6:12:43 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: (facepalm)
[7/22/12 6:13:00 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: There are far too many people on the emergency sitter list to be able to blame the tribe.
[7/22/12 6:13:16 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: i never get a mail asking if I'm online, and this account is online 24/7
[7/22/12 6:13:37 PM] michel(Destabilise): it's just pathetic
[7/22/12 6:14:09 PM] michel(Destabilise): we would of had a great day today if not of him
[7/22/12 6:14:48 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: (facepalm)
[7/22/12 6:18:58 PM] michel(Destabilise): i was right
[7/22/12 6:19:04 PM] michel(Destabilise): he just turned yellow
[7/22/12 6:19:26 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: |-(
[7/22/12 6:21:00 PM] Coffee/Fifa499 - Jordan: (wave)
[7/22/12 6:21:26 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: If he goes yellow again, I'm recalling support, and someone else can waste their D
[7/22/12 6:21:39 PM] Evan/H.3.R.O/Yu Stin Ki Pu: I need to support my own front.
[7/22/12 6:22:07 PM] michel(Destabilise): howdy coffee
You call him pathetic? Wow, he has been burning out himself, devoting almost all his waking hours on TW, but ofcourse what bothers you that you are not having a great day because the stats say he lost 11 villages. He isn't a 15 year old brat who has nothing to do but play TW, he has a wife, kids and a job. He's still been putting that much time here, that doesn't bother you?
Secondly, WHY did he go yellow? He told you that he'll be away, and YOU asked him to set waffler man as his sitter. What did Vinny do? Set waffler man as his sitter. Waffler man doesn't take the sit and the account goes yellow. OFCOURSE it is Vinny's fault? right?
[7/24/2012 8:46:57 PM] Vinny Loyola - (Bing/Robinr): [7/23/12 6:14:53 PM] Vinny Loyola - (Bing/Robinr): guys, I have sent most of the support back, I will finish latter tonight from home or tomorrow, then I will set the acct to delete... for a long time I've struggled to find a CO without any luck, I can understand the tribe not wanting to sit all the time, but I laso can't be on all the time... THe enemy has gotten my times of playing so now they know when to hit me... and now I just keep being pointed at for losing vills. I'v come to the end of the line, I wish you luck in the war and in your RL
[7/23/12 6:15:42 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: (facepalm)
[7/23/12 6:15:46 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: Really?
[7/23/12 6:15:47 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: vinny
[7/23/12 6:15:49 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: go [screw] yourself
[7/23/12 6:16:17 PM] Vinny Loyola - (Bing/Robinr): thank you NIle, I wish the same to you...
[7/23/12 6:16:21 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: your [insult] nothing. you always relied on others, and you could have given the accoutn that was given to you back to the tribe
[7/23/12 6:16:21 PM] dan: chill nile
[7/23/12 6:16:28 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: instead you decided to [screw] fork out of spite
[7/23/12 6:16:30 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: so, go [screw] yourself
[7/23/12 6:16:38 PM] dan: vinny done his best
[7/23/12 6:16:45 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: is best was what?
[7/23/12 6:16:47 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: failiong?
[7/23/12 6:16:55 PM] jamin heiser - pressstart: Nope, killing our troops
[7/23/12 6:16:57 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: his best would be handing the accoutn to fork
[7/23/12 6:16:59 PM] dan: haters gonna hate
[7/23/12 6:17:01 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: he did the opposite
[7/23/12 6:17:09 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: he acted like a child cos he didnt like a few msgs
[7/23/12 6:17:13 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: [00:16:58] dan: haters gonna hate
<<< yolo
[7/23/12 6:17:14 PM] dan: but you shouldn't shout at a tribe mate for trying his best
[7/23/12 6:17:15 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: lol
[7/23/12 6:17:33 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: [00:17:14] dan: but you shouldn't shout at a tribe mate for trying his best
<<< dan, he hasn't logged since friday
[7/23/12 6:17:37 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: came back, nd quit
[7/23/12 6:17:41 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: incomings=quit
[7/23/12 6:17:53 PM] jamin heiser - pressstart: He is trying very hard, he can't find the login button
[7/23/12 6:18:30 PM] dan: maybe he feels you guys didn't try hard enough to help him
[7/23/12 6:18:42 PM] dan: so why should he spend his RL time helping the tribe
[7/23/12 6:19:21 PM] dan: he's had sleepless nights for over a month now
[7/23/12 6:19:23 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: well either way, vinny had alot of incs and yes we're aware he had lots of support, but the frontline was constantly being pushed back, and he felt it hard to re-ogranise it
[7/23/12 6:19:46 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: shit happens, no point arguing
[7/23/12 6:19:50 PM] dan: if he can hand the account over to FORK that simple why wouldn't someone from fork simply sit him all the times he asked
[7/23/12 6:20:08 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: sitting did star to happen alot
[7/23/12 6:20:17 PM] Matt ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶- Bocek1000: but then i think it missed a few nights and vinny lost alot
[7/23/12 6:20:30 PM] dan: exactly
[7/23/12 6:20:36 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: But I don't think vinny should hit delete.
[7/23/12 6:20:37 PM] dan: can't shout at a guy for giving up hope
[7/23/12 6:20:43 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: We should internal if anything.
[7/23/12 6:20:44 PM] dan: neither do i
[7/23/12 6:20:48 PM] dan: but it's only a game
[7/23/12 6:20:52 PM] dan: and it's his call
[7/23/12 6:21:53 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: Vinny, you still here?
[7/23/12 6:27:46 PM] dan: just give the guy some credit
[7/23/12 6:27:50 PM] dan: he tried
[7/23/12 6:28:13 PM] dan: it's not good for confidance when people bitch behind his back
[7/23/12 6:28:17 PM] dan: in a open chat
[7/23/12 6:31:45 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: Vinny said waffler had his sit over the weekend.
[7/23/12 6:32:01 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: So that means waffler didn't take the sit.
[7/23/12 6:33:00 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: Can anybody see if waffler is on?
[7/23/12 6:34:25 PM] morbidzero: did waffler know he was sent the sit?
[7/23/12 6:34:36 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: I assume.
[7/23/12 6:34:59 PM] morbidzero: if he farms as much as I do its hard to look between so many report pages just to notice someone sent you a sit
[7/23/12 6:35:35 PM] Brandon George/BGeorge3: My skype is for vinny, this sucks.
I can't begin to explain how wrong this is. I would tell you how I feel about you, but that would earn me an infraction.
So lets see, what has he done wrong? He played his best and gave it his all for 30 days. Don't you dare call him unskilled, I've seen what he has been doing. Most people quit the moment they see many incomings, or lose a few villages. This man has lost more than 250 villages, and still is fighting. You blame his for getting your troops killed? What the hell is he supposed to do when there are nukes and trains incoming? you clearly don't want him to get your troops kills, you don't like that. Lose the village? nah then your leader's day wouldn't be great anymore :icon_cry: and we surely don't want your leader's day to not be great anymore right?
The coplayers you guys gave and vouched for failed so miserably. They couldn't handle half the pressure Vinny has been handling solo, while they atleast had Vinny with them when they were on. Most of the time, when sitters were requested, the chat and forum would go dead silent. Even if a sitter was given, many times he did nothing, not even tag.
You say Vinny always relied on others? above 30% of your tribe's ODD has been gained by Vinny this war. He is supposed to do this all alone right? Robinr vs Honor Family. What a noob Vinny must be for failing in such a fair and even fight. And oh I'm sorry, I thought this was tribal wars, where tribe members help each other. I must be mistaken, It must be Account wars. Stupid me, misread the game's name.[7/23/12 6:16:21 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: your [insult] nothing. you always relied on others
what in the world are you talking about? What has he done to damage Fork? He gave the account to Fork to internal.[7/23/12 6:16:28 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: instead you decided to [screw] fork out of spite
Oh yeah I forgot, he stopped you guys from having a great day by losing villages.
Oh yeah, there were no incomings before, the last few weeks, Morthy has been removing Vinny's villages and been giving them to Honor, and manipulating the OD stats. It is only now that incomings have started, that are making Vinny quit.[7/23/12 6:17:37 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: came back, nd quit
[7/23/12 6:17:41 PM] Nile/Khite Tzu: incomings=quit
Look at the language Vinny used, and the language you use. Have the decency to talk properly to someone when they talk to you respectfully.
This is Dan, asking in the Fork chat whether Vinny can coplay hi:
[4:34:01 PM]
[4:41:14 PM] dan: yeah, he won't screw my account over
[4:41:17 PM] dan: because im on it
[4:41:27 PM] jamin heiser: lol
[4:41:42 PM] jamin heiser: I am not saying that, if he deletes, he screws over For
[4:41:44 PM] jamin heiser: fork*
[4:42:48 PM] dan: then i blame michel and evan..
[4:42:56 PM] dan: if you're going to bitch, you bitch in private..
[4:42:58 PM] dan: not in a public chat
[4:43:11 PM] dan: if i was robin i would let honor internal him
michel(Destabilise)
[4:45:02 PM] dan: you guys are saying he's screwing fork
[4:45:15 PM] dan: when he's had weeks of sleepless nights defending for fork
[4:45:35 PM] dan: you're only pointing out the bad things
[4:45:40 PM] dan: if i was getting opped for like 5 weeks
[4:45:43 PM] dan: lost 250 villages
[4:45:47 PM] dan: and tried my best
[4:45:58 PM] dan: and came on skype and say you guys calling me a bad player
[4:46:07 PM] michel(Destabilise): dan
[4:46:08 PM] dan: i would screw you guys over so hard
[4:46:23 PM] michel(Destabilise): shut up if you can't see the problem
Yeah, Vinny will come back to Fork to screw Fork over. Thats clearly his intention, to screw Fork over. Thats why He has given his account's sit to a Fork player to internal, Because that will be screwing over Fork.
I'm ashamed to think that a few days ago I respected Fork. I met many players on W58, and came to respect many of them. This has shocked me.
You guys have been taking advantage of Vinny. He is too nice for you bunch of people. While he should be yelling at you all for not sending support and for not sitting him when he desperately requires it, he always spoke nicely. What did you folk do? Insult him, make fun of him, and make him quit. It is your loss really, you are the ones losing a player as good as Vinny, The man has lost 250+ villages and has been standing. Whats so sad is its his own tribe who are insulting him and making him quit. What a wonderful way to thank him for the effort he has been putting in. I was glad to see that atleast some people in the tribe stood up for Vinny.
Now I don't know for sure. I've come to respect many in w58, and w58 seems to respect Michel and the Fork Leadership, so they must be good. Maybe this is just an offcase, and it rarely happens, or that I've been misled and given wrong information, but if I was in a tribe and saw what happened to Vinny being done to my tribemate, I wouldn't want to be in that tribe anymore.
If I was Vinny, I wouldn't offer my villages to you, I wouldn't even press delete. I would attack you for how you treated me, and gifted my villages to Blissful Koalas, he clearly deserves it more than you. Through fighting him and having small chats with him, I've come to respect him, as a player, and as a person.
Be glad Vinny is being nice and giving you the sit, instead of punishing you for what you did.
In conclusion, Good job Fork, you've made one of your best players quit. The way things are going, Fork will win the world, but I sincerely hope this doesn't happen.
Now we can have fun in W59. Vinny wouldn't speak up, so I found it important to clear his name, shouldn't be tarnished because of you people. Good day to you all, and the best of luck in RL
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