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[DeletedUser]

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THIS IS A DEBATING THREAD.


Since there are alot of confusion that Alexander The Great and Macedons are Greek, because of Uldor, and his tribe 'MCD', this is a tribe built on lies. But me a a true, Aegean Macedonian, would like to debate, with a Greek/s, and probably be outnumbered.


Let me start it out, eh?


Your own King, King Giorgios of Greece in 1913, claimed that NO greeks lived in Southern Macedonia(Aegean Macedonia) the part of Macedonia where Alexander The Great comes from?

How could Alexander possibly be Greek? If no Greeks lived there?

This may get locked. Hopefully not. ><

- Causes.
I go to sleep now.

 

[DeletedUser68]

:icon_rolleyes:

 

[DeletedUser8803]

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THIS IS A DEBATING THREAD.


Since there are alot of confusion that Alexander The Great and Macedons are Greek, because of Uldor, and his tribe 'MCD', this is a tribe built on lies. But me a a true, Aegean Macedonian, would like to debate, with a Greek/s, and probably be outnumbered.


Let me start it out, eh?


Your own King, King Giorgios of Greece in 1913, claimed that NO greeks lived in Southern Macedonia(Aegean Macedonia) the part of Macedonia where Alexander The Great comes from?

How could Alexander possibly be Greek? If no Greeks lived there?

This may get locked. Hopefully not. ><

- Causes.
I go to sleep now.

maybe he was brought up in greece? birthplace doesnt necessarily declare nationality

 

[DeletedUser4596]

Right, I was born in FYROM but my nationality is a mix of Canadian and Greek (one parent is Greek, the other is Canadian). Causes, at that time of Alexander the area was Greek but when my King said that it was no longer Greek.

 

[DeletedUser68]

they don't live theer anymore.... GENOCIDE!!!!:icon_eek:

 

[Spank86]

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THIS IS A DEBATING THREAD.


Since there are alot of confusion that Alexander The Great and Macedons are Greek, because of Uldor, and his tribe 'MCD', this is a tribe built on lies. But me a a true, Aegean Macedonian, would like to debate, with a Greek/s, and probably be outnumbered.


Let me start it out, eh?


Your own King, King Giorgios of Greece in 1913, claimed that NO greeks lived in Southern Macedonia(Aegean Macedonia) the part of Macedonia where Alexander The Great comes from?

How could Alexander possibly be Greek? If no Greeks lived there?

This may get locked. Hopefully not. ><

- Causes.
I go to sleep now.

the thought occurs that during the era of alexander great was a lable given to a few different racial types (hence lables like ionian greeks etc) Now however it refers to a nation occupying some of the ancent boundaries.

 

[DeletedUser]

Demosthenes, the great orator, spoke of Philip II(Father of Alexander) as:

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." [Third Philippic, 31]


:icon_rolleyes:


Intresting Atonisgr hasent posted yet.

 

[Spank86]

Demosthenes, the great orator, spoke of Philip II(Father of Alexander) as:

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." [Third Philippic, 31]


:icon_rolleyes:


Intresting Atonisgr hasent posted yet.

Indeed he did, as i would expect. This is known as propaganda. The athenians werent particularly keen on the macedonians.

Lets be fair compared to the athenians and other central greek cities the macedons were only just civilised. I believe thay were of a differing ethnic root from the athenians but still regarded as greek (by historians) as were the surrounding hill tribes.

 

[DeletedUser]

They werent cosidered as a Greek tribe. :\


They called us barbarians, a word they only used for non greeks. Like Persians and Macedonians.

 

[DeletedUser5984]

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THIS IS A DEBATING THREAD.


Since there are alot of confusion that Alexander The Great and Macedons are Greek, because of Uldor, and his tribe 'MCD', this is a tribe built on lies. But me a a true, Aegean Macedonian, would like to debate, with a Greek/s, and probably be outnumbered.


Let me start it out, eh?


Your own King, King Giorgios of Greece in 1913, claimed that NO greeks lived in Southern Macedonia(Aegean Macedonia) the part of Macedonia where Alexander The Great comes from?

How could Alexander possibly be Greek? If no Greeks lived there?

This may get locked. Hopefully not. ><

- Causes.
I go to sleep now.

First of all if you think THE WORLD knows that Alexander the Great
and MACEDONIA are GREEK because of a W4(?) Tribe oh my oh my...
this debate will not even be funny..


Let me answer.
First of all when you debate you supply the source of the information.
I could say here that Hitler said in 1939 that Germans are worse than the
Jewish people.

No source.. cause its a lie..
Where is it written ?

Besides that, your argument doesnt provide any "evidence"
Let me tell you:
We Greeks are divided to some categories depending from the place
of Greece we come from :
Peloponnese (Where SPARTA is..), Ionian, Aegean, Macedons, Hpeirotes and Cretans
and those from Sterea Hellas (Athens and some other territory)

For example im Stereo Elladitis, Athenian, also resident
of nothern suburbs of Athens.
But i am as Greek as a Cretan or a Peloponnesian...

ITs very possible that during the 2nd Balkan Wars (1913) there were no Greeks (Macedons, Ionians, Cretans, Spartans ) inhabiting
Southern macedonia.. since it was DURING THE 2nd BALKAN WARS...

You have a gap of approximately 2200 years between 1913 and Alexander the great
Modern Greece does not have the borders of Ancient Greece of ANY time..
We are much smaller

Now since you started with a statement..
i ll reply with 2.

The first president of FYROM president Mr. Kiro Gligorov confirmed twice that they are not related to the ancient Macedonians:

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )


"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)


The historic truth is that the Slavs descended into the region not before the 6th century long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. They don't have any historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia and they would be really foolish if they officially claimed that they did. There is no historic or archaeological evidence connecting them with ancient Macedonia.

In any case occupying 25% of ancient Macedonian land does not give them the right to steal the Macedonian history and culture. The Macedonian civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization. This is well known and recorded in history books. It is part of Greece's national inheritance and it can not be used by anyone else.

Here's a the first google result about what ALEXANDER name MEAN:
http://www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=Alexander

The word "Alexandros" is produced from the prefix alex(=protector) and the word andros(=man) meaning "he who protects men". The prefix "alex" can be found in many Greek words today (alexiptoto=parachute, alexisfairo=bulletproof - all these words have the meaning of protection).

Causes, you are the reason i have the signature i have..
So take your time and visit it.
It might enlighten you.
Probably not, since you are a radical rightwing
Enjoy

 

[DeletedUser5984]

Demosthenes, the great orator, spoke of Philip II(Father of Alexander) as:

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." [Third Philippic, 31]


:icon_rolleyes:


Intresting Atonisgr hasent posted yet.

How interesting you are using the quotes from my sig:
Perhaps thats the "book" all of you read.

I ll just have to copy-paste then...

Answer:
This argument refers to the following quote from the Athenian statesman Dimosthenis (Dimosthenis, Third Philippic, 31)

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave"

This quote appears to accuse king Philippos of Macedonia as a non-Greek. However the majority of today's historians ascribe these claims to the political differences between Dimosthenis and King Philippos. It is well known that Dimosthenis as a passionate supporter of the Athenian democracy was very concerned about the rise of the Macedonan kingdom.

"Demosthenes' allegations were lent an appearance of credibility by the fact apparent to every observer, that the lifestyle of the Macedonians was different from that of a Greek city state. This alien way of life was however, common to the western Greeks in Epeiros, Akarnania and Aitolia, as well as to the Macedonians, and their fundenmental Greek nationality was never doubted. Only as a consequencce of the political disagreement with Macedonia was the question ever raised at all."
[Proffesor M.Errington, "A History of Macedonia", University of California Press, Los Angeles, 1990]

"The speeches of Demosthenes, that deal with Philip as the enemy,should not be interpreted as an indication of the barbarian origins of Macedonians, but as an expression of conflict between two different political systems: the democratic system of the city-state (e.g.Athens) versus the monarchy (Kingdom of Macedonia). Personally, I believe that it is the common language, which gives one the opportunity to share a common civilization. Thus the language is the main factor that forms a national identity."
[Proffesor Nicholas Hammond, "Macedonian Echo" magazine, February 1993]

Also note that the quote does not suggest that the "Macedonians were not Greek" as the Slavs themselves wrongly assert, it only refers to king Philippos.

 

[DeletedUser]

Thank you for joining the party.

And Alexanders name is Aleksander Makedonski, dont forget that.


Onhkay, then if we were so 'Greek' why did you change our villages,lakes and surnames, when you gained, 51% of Macedonian territory? :icon_confused:



Oh and Philippos, didnt exist, it was Philip II of Macedon, hated amongst Greeks.

Oh and answer me this, when Alexander invaded Persia, he said he was freeing Greece farmers etc, but then if he was why rebel against him? If he was freeing Greece from Persia?

Oh and why did he call his empire 'The Macedonian Empire'?

When you regained Aegean Macedonia you killed 17,000 people and burned 170 villages! And now you claim that Macedonians are Greek, and note, the same country tha tried to kill its own people!

 

[DeletedUser5984]

They werent cosidered as a Greek tribe. :\


They called us barbarians, a word they only used for non greeks. Like Persians and Macedonians.

Ancient Greeks ,true said "Pas mi Hellen, Barbarian"
So they actually called everyone else Barbarian, like Persians
but not Macedonians..

Macedonians are Greek
Peloponnese are Greek
Cretans are Greek..
Hepirotes are Greek.

That phrase is believed it was used because Ancient Greeks
DID have major intellectual achievements comparing to ANYONE else
they knew off at that time.

 

[DeletedUser]

I have never seen evidence that they have.


They never called Sparta or Thebes barbarians?

 

[DeletedUser]

The first president of FYROM president Mr. Kiro Gligorov confirmed twice that they are not related to the ancient Macedonians:

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )

Well, as we all know Politicans are lieing people. So let history be written by proper historians

 

[DeletedUser5984]

Thank you for joining the party.

And Alexanders name is Aleksander Makedonski, dont forget that.

According to who ?

You use the slavic version of a GREEK name ,Aleksander,
to claim he was not Greek ? nice..
It makes sense.. NOT..

What does Aleksander mean ?
What does it STAND FOR in your language ?
Please enlighten me

Onhkay, then if we were so 'Greek' why did you change our villages,lakes and surnames, when you gained, 51% of Macedonian territory? :icon_confused:

YOU WERE NEVER GREEK

Your nation inhabited the Nothern part of what WE Greeks, Call MACEDONIA
from Ancient HISTORY!
That doesnt give you the right to call yourselves Macedonians..

YOur claiming is as absurd as it would be for the colonists
of AMERICA to call themselves CHEROKEE or Mayans or Aztecs.

Oh and Philippos, didnt exist, it was Philip II of Macedon, hated amongst Greeks.

Oh and answer me this, when Alexander invaded Persia, he said he was freeing Greece farmers etc, but then if he was why rebel against him? If he was freeing Greece from Persia?

Oh and why did he call his empire 'The Macedonian Empire'?

Again you are using a GREEK name
PHILIPPOS, or Philip in English and as i see in slavic also.
Philippos in Greek means He who is Friend with Horses.

I dont know about Philippos' Popularity.
I am not a Historian, i am a simple modern Greek.

How about you answer some of my questions for a change..

 

[Spank86]

Oh and answer me this, when Alexander invaded Persia, he said he was freeing Greece farmers etc, but then if he was why rebel against him? If he was freeing Greece from Persia?

Oh and why did he call his empire 'The Macedonian Empire'?

this would be because persia had so much gold tat it could afford to incite revolt. A tactic that it used time and again to keep the warring greek city states from uniting against it.

I'm sure the spartans referred to their expansionist period as the spartan empire. Would you argue that the romans arent italian because thay called their empire the roman one?

 

[DeletedUser]

Uhm, Aegean Macedonians, ARE MACEDONIANS, you idiot.


Alexander asks a women, who was being taken captive, who she was, she replied: 'I am the sister of Theogenes who commanded our army against your father, Philip, and fell at Chaeronea fighting for the liberty of Greece.'

Liberty of Greece? Well the Greeks must've been thinking wrong? I though Phillip was uniting the Greek? > Haha, you see, even this smart women knows!

 

[DeletedUser]

this would be because persia had so much gold tat it could afford to incite revolt. A tactic that it used time and again to keep the warring greek city states from uniting against it.

I'm sure the spartans referred to their expansionist period as the spartan empire. Would you argue that the romans arent italian because thay called their empire the roman one?

He won he empire, with 36,000 Macedonians and with only 7,600 Greeks.

And while he was battling the Persians, guess who was on their side, Greeks! Wow!

 

[Spank86]

Uhm, Aegean Macedonians, ARE MACEDONIANS, you idiot.


Alexander asks a women, who was being taken captive, who she was, she replied: 'I am the sister of Theogenes who commanded our army against your father, Philip, and fell at Chaeronea fighting for the liberty of Greece.'

Liberty of Greece? Well the Greeks must've been thinking wrong? I though Phillip was uniting the Greek? > Haha, you see, even this smart women knows!

WARRING CITY STATES

what part of this do you not understand. Whenever an alliance of city staters was trying to free one of their number from another city state (especially if the alliance included athens) they had a tendancy to preach about the liberty of greece.