Guide Closer look into Attack Units

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[FONT=&quot]The Guide:[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Closer look into Attack Units[/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Many players might find this Guide not pretty usefull, as we will discuss things that many player might already know. However, this is my first attempt to write a Guide to post it into TW Forums, so please try to understand that and maybe even you could take something from it.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Attack Units[/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Before we start to discuss this more detaily, we will be introduced to the attack Units and their Basics.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1.)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]OK. Here we see the Basic Costs, Farm needed, Speed and Carrying capacity of the Axemen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Carrying capacity[/FONT][FONT=&quot] – If you attack a village, carrying capacity means how much will 1 Axemen take resources from that village.
Example:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]IF you would attack village with one Axemen (this is NOT advised!) you would take: 10 WOOD or 5 WOOD + 5 CLAY or 2 WOOD + 2 CLAY + 6 IRON (= alltogether must be 10 of all!)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Speed [/FONT][FONT=&quot]– Speed explains the moving of your Axemen. As we see Axemen have Speed of 18minutes per Field.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This means they need 18 minuted for 1 Field. Field is ONE square on your TribalWars Map.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (This is one Field)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However you must be aware that Troops speed depends on Worlds Settings. You will always need to check your Troop Speed by clicking Axemen or any other unit, in your Smithy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Villagers Needed –[/FONT][FONT=&quot] This explains how much villagers you need to to recruit one Axemen. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The capacity of your »Villagers« you can check in your Farm. For example if you have Farm capacity of 2000, and you used 1570 from it already, you will be able to recruit 430 Axemen – ofcourse if you would like to spend that capacity only on Axemen. Because to recruit one Axemen you need one Farm space.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Requirements to research the unit – [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This requirements tell you, which buildings you need to contruct before you will be able even to research the unit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For Axemen you will need LVL 2 Smithy. OK, fine. But now you see, that you can't build Smithy just like that. So you will need to check the requirements for building up the Smithy. This is: Village Headquarters LVL 5 + Barracks LVL 1.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now can you build your Smithy to LVL 1. However this still isn't enough. To research Axemen, you will need to upgrade it on LVL 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]While you do that, you will click on Smithy, and next to the Axemen, you will see »Research«. Then you click on that, and you have your Axemen ready in barrack after the required researching time.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Tech-levels[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As you see, in some Worlds you might have this 3 Tech-levels. With each upgraded LVL, your Axemen become Stronger.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But the questions is, is it usefull to research LVLs? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and How does this actually work in attack?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1.)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is it usefull or not, it's more or less on you. But let us just check the details about it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We see that LVL 1 Axemen (the basic research) has 40 Offensive Strenght. At LVL2 that increases to 50.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But for LVL 2 Axemen you will need to pay: 2.800 WOOD + 3.360 CLAY + 3.280 IRON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] So let's check up. For that ammount of Resources needed for LVL2 you could [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]get 46 LVL 1 Axemen which means 46x40 = 1840 Offensive Strenght together.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If we take for an example, that you just started this world or in the middle and have arround 100 Axemen, what would happen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]100 Axemen[/FONT][FONT=&quot] with LVL 2 Reasearch have 5000 Offensive Strenght together[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]146 Axemen[/FONT][FONT=&quot] with LVL 1 Reasearch have 5840 Offensive Strenght together[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]So basically if we're talking about Researching at the begining, it's surely doesn't have any use or benefits. It's just takes you the resources you could built for more Axemen. (NOTICE: While battling, the amount of troops ratio is also importmant and has influence – another reason why rather reqruit more Axemen at the start)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My suggestion and recomendation is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Reasearch your LVL 2 Axemen at around 500-1000 Axemen. Why?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As said, for the amount of Resources needed to reasearch LVL 2 Axemen you can get 46 LVL 1 Axemen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now lets compare again.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]500 Axemen [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on LVL 2 have 25000 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]546 Axemen [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on LVL 1 have 21840 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So you see, that now, it IS usefull to reasearch LVL 2 Axemen at 500 capacity of them![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Same goes for LVL 3 Reasearch Technique:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My suggestion and recommendation is to reasearch LVL 3 Axemen when you have 1700+ Axemen. Why?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For LVL 3 you need more resources to reasearch. For that amount of resources you could get 186 Axemen LVL 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1700 Axemen on LVL 3 have 9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5200 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1868 Axemen on LVL 2 have 93400 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you have less than 1700 Axemen, you still can research LVL 3 Axemen, but it's not as good as you would wait till you have 1700 of them. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1.1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Attacking with Axemen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Now let's check up at the closer look at the attacking with your Axemen. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What is the best way your opponent to defend against Axemen?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How many Axemen defeat X amount of Defensive Troops?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What influence has the Wall on Axemen?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These and other questions will be explained in further analysis.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Best Defense Against Axemen: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Best defensive unit against Axemen are Swordsmen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]These are the Stats of a Swordsmen [/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]And these are from Axemen.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](NOTE: We will take all as LVL 1 Research Tech! We will take Example of battles WITHOUT WALL LVL and WITHOUT USING PALADIN!)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You will ned 3 Axemen to defeat 1 Swordsmen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now let's explain that.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As we see, Axemen have Offensive Strenght of 40. On the other Side Swordsmen have Defensive Strenght against Infantry 50.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Calculations:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Basically you will need 2 Axemen to Defeat 1 Swordsmen, because: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]40x2 = 80 OS (O-offensive S-strenght)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]50x1 = 50 DS (D-defensive S-strenght)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]BUT,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We can't ignore both units's Attack (for Swordsmen) and Defense (for Axemen) stats![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Axemen have 10 Defensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Swordsmen have 25 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So if you attack with 2 Axemen (80 OS and 20 DS) and the defender has 1 Swordsmen (25 OS and 50 DS)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]80 OS (Axemen) against 50 DS (Swordsmen) = DS (Swordsmen) Losses[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 OS (Swordsmen) against 20 DS (Axemen) = DS (Axemen) Losses too [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However if you attack with 3 Axemen against 1 Swordsmen, you will win with 2 loss of your 1 Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]3x40 = 120 OS (Axe)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1x50 = 50 DS (Swords)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]3x10 = 30 DS (Axe)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1x25 = 25 OS (Swords)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]120 against 50 = 120 wins[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]30 against 25 = 30 wins[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]You will need 22 Axemen to defeat 1 Swordsmen WITHOUT LOSING ANY AXEMEN IN ATTACK![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](Here you will need to remember the Ratio of Troops, which has influences in battles)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1.2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Axemen against Wall[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Maybe you are lucky and Opponent you're attacking doesn't have any Defense or Attack units in his village.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However, he might have built his Wall up. Wall is used for Defense bonuses and for Defence itself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now lets influence of Wall on attacking Axemen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]WALL LVL 1 vs 1 Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Your Axemen dies.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Wall LVL 1 vs 22 Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]All of your Axemen survive at this amount![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Did you realized something?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]CORRECT! Wall lvl 1 acts SAME in Defense as 1 SWORDSMEN! Great, isn't it?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now let's see, if this is just a coincidence, or a fact that Wall has same Defense as Swordsmen:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If you would like to survive with all of your Axemen against 2 Swordsmen, you would need 109 Axemen![/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Let's check how is it with Wall. Do we need 109 Axemen to defeat LVL 2 Wall with NO losses?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]CORRECT![/FONT]
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It is TRUE – WALL's DEFENSE IS SAME AS SWORSMEN DEFENSE![/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If you think I'm making this up, you always have your simulator to check it. If there is only 1 unit less in Axemen (that is 108) you will lose 1 axemen in fight against 2 Swordsmen or Wall LVL 2.[/FONT]
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[DeletedUser]

I liked the analysis of the appropriate times to level up the tech levels in early game. Also interesting to see how many x number of axe are needed to completely survive an x number of sword. But how does that equate to a multiplier effect? How many axe are needed to completely survive 100 sword? Or 1000? Is this useful?

Couple of things:
- Feels like a module that should be included in a much more thorough analysis that may or may not see daylight. I guess that's up to the author.
- Dire need of grammatical and spelling corrections. The reader is left to lumber through awkward prose. I sense English may not be your first language, but either way, you will do yourself and us a service to revise and edit.

In the end, I think everyone appreciates an attempt by a community member to share insights and suggestions. For that, I thank you!

 

[DeletedUser]

spot on

onl asked this question ,few days ago ,this was spot on explains it all clearly to me ,woodint worry about ye grimmer an spillin though. thanks

 

[DeletedUser]

I liked the analysis of the appropriate times to level up the tech levels in early game. Also interesting to see how many x number of axe are needed to completely survive an x number of sword. But how does that equate to a multiplier effect? How many axe are needed to completely survive 100 sword? Or 1000? Is this useful?

108 Axes are needed to get past 2 swords without losing one!
308 to get past 3
666 to get past 4

Hmm, im sure there is an equation here...

y=mx + c

c = 22

y = 22, 108, 308, 666
x = 1, 2, 3, 4

y-c = 0, 86, 286, 644

*goes works out*

 

[Zord Gaf]

[FONT=&quot]IF you would attack village with one Axemen (this is NOT advised!) you would take: 10 WOOD or 5 WOOD + 5 CLAY or 2 WOOD + 2 CLAY + 6 IRON (= alltogether must be 10 of all!)[/FONT]

This is not always the case. Sometimes the rounding will not be in your favour, or the hiding place will hide these resources.

 

[DeletedUser]

Zord check the writes inside those ( ). That's why I said it is NOT advised to attack with only 1 Axemen.

 

[Zord Gaf]

Zord check the writes inside those ( ). That's why I said it is NOT advised to attack with only 1 Axemen.

It can also be that the axeman will die. However, from how I read, it should always be 10 resources per each axeman, I'm just saying how it's not 100% accurate. Good guide nonetheless.

 

[DeletedUser]

A good guide. A bit too detailed though. I hate the font though I can read it but I worry other people can't as it is tiny. :icon_redface:

 

[DeletedUser]

[FONT=&quot]The Guide:[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Closer look into Attack Units[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Many players might find this Guide not pretty usefull, as we will discuss things that many player might already know. However, this is my first attempt to write a Guide to post it into TW Forums, so please try to understand that and maybe even you could take something from it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Attack Units[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Before we start to discuss this more detaily, we will be introduced to the attack Units and their Basics.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1.)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Axemen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]OK. Here we see the Basic Costs, Farm needed, Speed and Carrying capacity of the Axemen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Carrying capacity[/FONT][FONT=&quot] – If you attack a village, carrying capacity means how much will 1 Axemen take resources from that village.
Example:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]IF you would attack village with one Axemen (this is NOT advised!) you would take: 10 WOOD or 5 WOOD + 5 CLAY or 2 WOOD + 2 CLAY + 6 IRON (= alltogether must be 10 of all!)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Speed [/FONT][FONT=&quot]– Speed explains the moving of your Axemen. As we see Axemen have Speed of 18minutes per Field.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This means they need 18 minuted for 1 Field. Field is ONE square on your TribalWars Map.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (This is one Field)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However you must be aware that Troops speed depends on Worlds Settings. You will always need to check your Troop Speed by clicking Axemen or any other unit, in your Smithy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Villagers Needed –[/FONT][FONT=&quot] This explains how much villagers you need to to recruit one Axemen. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The capacity of your »Villagers« you can check in your Farm. For example if you have Farm capacity of 2000, and you used 1570 from it already, you will be able to recruit 430 Axemen – ofcourse if you would like to spend that capacity only on Axemen. Because to recruit one Axemen you need one Farm space.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Requirements to research the unit – [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This requirements tell you, which buildings you need to contruct before you will be able even to research the unit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For Axemen you will need LVL 2 Smithy. OK, fine. But now you see, that you can't build Smithy just like that. So you will need to check the requirements for building up the Smithy. This is: Village Headquarters LVL 5 + Barracks LVL 1.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now can you build your Smithy to LVL 1. However this still isn't enough. To research Axemen, you will need to upgrade it on LVL 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]While you do that, you will click on Smithy, and next to the Axemen, you will see »Research«. Then you click on that, and you have your Axemen ready in barrack after the required researching time.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Tech-levels[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As you see, in some Worlds you might have this 3 Tech-levels. With each upgraded LVL, your Axemen become Stronger.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But the questions is, is it usefull to research LVLs? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and How does this actually work in attack?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1.)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is it usefull or not, it's more or less on you. But let us just check the details about it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We see that LVL 1 Axemen (the basic research) has 40 Offensive Strenght. At LVL2 that increases to 50.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But for LVL 2 Axemen you will need to pay: 2.800 WOOD + 3.360 CLAY + 3.280 IRON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] So let's check up. For that ammount of Resources needed for LVL2 you could [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]get 46 LVL 1 Axemen which means 46x40 = 1840 Offensive Strenght together.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If we take for an example, that you just started this world or in the middle and have arround 100 Axemen, what would happen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]100 Axemen[/FONT][FONT=&quot] with LVL 2 Reasearch have 5000 Offensive Strenght together[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]146 Axemen[/FONT][FONT=&quot] with LVL 1 Reasearch have 5840 Offensive Strenght together[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]So basically if we're talking about Researching at the begining, it's surely doesn't have any use or benefits. It's just takes you the resources you could built for more Axemen. (NOTICE: While battling, the amount of troops ratio is also importmant and has influence – another reason why rather reqruit more Axemen at the start)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My suggestion and recomendation is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Reasearch your LVL 2 Axemen at around 500-1000 Axemen. Why?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As said, for the amount of Resources needed to reasearch LVL 2 Axemen you can get 46 LVL 1 Axemen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now lets compare again.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]500 Axemen [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on LVL 2 have 25000 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]546 Axemen [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on LVL 1 have 21840 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So you see, that now, it IS usefull to reasearch LVL 2 Axemen at 500 capacity of them![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Same goes for LVL 3 Reasearch Technique:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My suggestion and recommendation is to reasearch LVL 3 Axemen when you have 1700+ Axemen. Why?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For LVL 3 you need more resources to reasearch. For that amount of resources you could get 186 Axemen LVL 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1700 Axemen on LVL 3 have 9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5200 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1868 Axemen on LVL 2 have 93400 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you have less than 1700 Axemen, you still can research LVL 3 Axemen, but it's not as good as you would wait till you have 1700 of them. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1.1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Attacking with Axemen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Now let's check up at the closer look at the attacking with your Axemen. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What is the best way your opponent to defend against Axemen?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How many Axemen defeat X amount of Defensive Troops?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What influence has the Wall on Axemen?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These and other questions will be explained in further analysis.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Best Defense Against Axemen: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Best defensive unit against Axemen are Swordsmen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These are the Stats of a Swordsmen [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And these are from Axemen.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](NOTE: We will take all as LVL 1 Research Tech! We will take Example of battles WITHOUT WALL LVL and WITHOUT USING PALADIN!)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You will ned 3 Axemen to defeat 1 Swordsmen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now let's explain that.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As we see, Axemen have Offensive Strenght of 40. On the other Side Swordsmen have Defensive Strenght against Infantry 50.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Calculations:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Basically you will need 2 Axemen to Defeat 1 Swordsmen, because: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]40x2 = 80 OS (O-offensive S-strenght)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]50x1 = 50 DS (D-defensive S-strenght)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]BUT,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We can't ignore both units's Attack (for Swordsmen) and Defense (for Axemen) stats![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Axemen have 10 Defensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Swordsmen have 25 Offensive Strenght[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So if you attack with 2 Axemen (80 OS and 20 DS) and the defender has 1 Swordsmen (25 OS and 50 DS)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]80 OS (Axemen) against 50 DS (Swordsmen) = DS (Swordsmen) Losses[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 OS (Swordsmen) against 20 DS (Axemen) = DS (Axemen) Losses too [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However if you attack with 3 Axemen against 1 Swordsmen, you will win with 2 loss of your 1 Axemen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3x40 = 120 OS (Axe)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1x50 = 50 DS (Swords)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3x10 = 30 DS (Axe)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1x25 = 25 OS (Swords)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]120 against 50 = 120 wins[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 against 25 = 30 wins[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]You will need 22 Axemen to defeat 1 Swordsmen WITHOUT LOSING ANY AXEMEN IN ATTACK![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](Here you will need to remember the Ratio of Troops, which has influences in battles)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1.2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Axemen against Wall[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Maybe you are lucky and Opponent you're attacking doesn't have any Defense or Attack units in his village.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However, he might have built his Wall up. Wall is used for Defense bonuses and for Defence itself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now lets influence of Wall on attacking Axemen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]WALL LVL 1 vs 1 Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Your Axemen dies.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Wall LVL 1 vs 22 Axemen[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]All of your Axemen survive at this amount![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Did you realized something?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]CORRECT! Wall lvl 1 acts SAME in Defense as 1 SWORDSMEN! Great, isn't it?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Now let's see, if this is just a coincidence, or a fact that Wall has same Defense as Swordsmen:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If you would like to survive with all of your Axemen against 2 Swordsmen, you would need 109 Axemen![/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Let's check how is it with Wall. Do we need 109 Axemen to defeat LVL 2 Wall with NO losses?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]CORRECT![/FONT]
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It is TRUE – WALL's DEFENSE IS SAME AS SWORSMEN DEFENSE![/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If you think I'm making this up, you always have your simulator to check it. If there is only 1 unit less in Axemen (that is 108) you will lose 1 axemen in fight against 2 Swordsmen or Wall LVL 2.[/FONT]
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The part that says you need 3 axemen versus 1 swordman to win is WRONG.Assuming you don't include any walls.Because 2 axemen=80 attack and 20 defence.
1 swordman=25 attack and 50 defense.
So The axemen have 25 more attack strength put to gether than the swords man.Even if they fight the swordsman seperately,they still win.This is because 40 attack +10 defence against infantry (Am I wrong saying it's 10?) while the swordsman defence is 50 added with the attack,which is 25.Therefore the swordsman has 75 vs 50 against axemen seperately.Unless I am somehow going wrong somewhere,I think that 2 axemen defeat 1 swordsman.

 

[Zord Gaf]

The part that says you need 3 axemen versus 1 swordman to win is WRONG.Assuming you don't include any walls.Because 2 axemen=80 attack and 20 defence.
1 swordman=25 attack and 50 defense.
So The axemen have 25 more attack strength put to gether than the swords man.Even if they fight the swordsman seperately,they still win.This is because 40 attack +10 defence against infantry (Am I wrong saying it's 10?) while the swordsman defence is 50 added with the attack,which is 25.Therefore the swordsman has 75 vs 50 against axemen seperately.Unless I am somehow going wrong somewhere,I think that 2 axemen defeat 1 swordsman.

If you send 3 Axemen 2 will die in the attack. However, 2 dying is still a win.

 

[DeletedUser]

The part that says you need 3 axemen versus 1 swordman to win is WRONG.Assuming you don't include any walls.Because 2 axemen=80 attack and 20 defence.
1 swordman=25 attack and 50 defense.
So The axemen have 25 more attack strength put to gether than the swords man.Even if they fight the swordsman seperately,they still win.This is because 40 attack +10 defence against infantry (Am I wrong saying it's 10?) while the swordsman defence is 50 added with the attack,which is 25.Therefore the swordsman has 75 vs 50 against axemen seperately.Unless I am somehow going wrong somewhere,I think that 2 axemen defeat 1 swordsman.

You do not include the units Defence capability when it's attacking,

So you ignore the axes 20 D,

and you ignore the units Offence capability when it's defending.

So an axeman attacking a swordsman is 40 vs 50.

3 axemen vs 2 swords men is
120 vs 100.

You take the 2 sides away from each other

20 vs 0

there is 20 attack power left.

This is between 1-40.... so it's the strength of 1 axe man.

So 1 axe survives.

If you have 4 axemen vs 2 swords

160 vs 100

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60 vs 0

60 = 40 (1 full axeman) + 20 (within the damage range of 1 axeman)

So 2 axes will survive.

 

[DeletedUser]

Actually,I checked the simulator on world 40 and I found that with no wall and the religious options checked for both,I found that if 1 swordsman defends a village with no other factors involved (both are religious so i don't count that) against 2 axemen,then you'd lose both axemen but the swordsman would die too.So you don't actually need 3 axemen,you just need 2.But you won't get anything,and you'll have everyone dead.

 

[DeletedUser]

Actually,I checked the simulator on world 40 and I found that with no wall and the religious options checked for both,I found that if 1 swordsman defends a village with no other factors involved (both are religious so i don't count that) against 2 axemen,then you'd lose both axemen but the swordsman would die too.So you don't actually need 3 axemen,you just need 2.But you won't get anything,and you'll have everyone dead.

two problems with this:

1. The defender also has the base village defense, and that throws the comparison off.

2. When using such small numbers the game is forced to round since you can't have fractions of a unit. Therefore the ratios you come up with are extremely inaccurate. If you want to assert a 2:1 ratio then compare 2000 axemen with 1000 swords.