Apparently we are both having the same views but from a different angle. While you are emphasizing more on the leader, I am emphasizing more on the member, the whole tribe. Surely there is an important aspect of having a good leader, but underestimating the member influence and overestimating the leader is just plain wrong in my eye.Answers in bold.
Lets get back to the root of what started this discussion. "The reasoning Impact players/now leaders gave of leaving East - duke was inactive so we left". My query was, certainly there were more than one single person, duke - responsible for running the tribe - council members / trustable members. Couldn't they easily run east anyway ? All they couldn't have done is change the name of the tribe and disband it (assuming there were already a few/at least one person with baron priv). Running the tribe would have certainly be achievable.
So giving the reason of hey - our duke is not here, lets all jump and make a tribe is just utter crap. I just confronted them to agree that they have failed as a tribe -
If "the leader is all so important for the tribe and if there is none/inactive you just need to make a new tribe" - if that is the moto of those players, I just feel sorry for them. Let see two examples to back my statement.
Noodle - A tribe that was leaderless for a good time (during a war as well). They lost a few members, sure. Did the rest just plain leave and made a new tribe ? No. They found a solution. Members stepped up to take the responsibility of the tribe.
Riot! - The top ranked tribe of the world had an inactive leader. Our leader was MIA for more than 1 month, 3+ weeks of no point activity at all, 2+ weeks of no communication (in game/skype ), yellow for 2/3 times. All these happened during war time as well. And he was the only one with the duke privilege. Did we said, hey our leader is inactive/gone for weeks now. Lets all jump the ship and make a new tribe. No. Why? because Riot! was setup with a council from members who care for the tribe. Who stepped up (co-dukes) eventually after 1 month of inactive duke and start taking decisions for the tribe, with consultation of trustable members and informing all members. Two new co-dukes started working without even the duke privilege (as already mention, it has not extra benefits). Only a few days ago, our old leader came and handover dukeship to the co-dukes.
What I am saying here is no matter how much emphasis you put on the leader, the members are equally if not more responsible for success or failure of a tribe. Former east members could have continue running the tribe from being east. Making a new tribe is unnecessary, if you only gonna leave the inactives behind and recruit everyone else, even part of the leadership.
In summary, former east members, now impact members do not have what it takes to play the tribal wars the way it should be played. They fled at the first sign of danger (in fact a few of them did it more than once (wet?) ). They will just do it again.
On the contrary, Noodle and Riot! has a good number of members that are dedicated to the tribe they play for and are here for the long run... :icon_cool: