In which CBTF announces it won't feed the crocodile.

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  1. dchogs

    dchogs Guest

    Looking at the statistics, I'm pretty impressed with THE! I thought they would be doing a lot worse if you didn't include BD in the stats, but they're really holding their own (infact, surpassing that). Well done THE.
    [spoil]Side 1:
    Tribes: Guards EreVos CBTF CBTF-D
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Timeframe: Last month

    Total conquers:

    Side 1: 2,072
    Side 2: 1,234
    Difference: 838

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    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 95
    Side 2: 115
    Difference: 20

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    Points value of total conquers:

    Side 1: 14,443,828
    Side 2: 9,863,709
    Difference: 4,580,119

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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 836,029
    Side 2: 1,038,722
    Difference: 202,693

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    ^War stats over the past 1 month included.


    Please, could you refrain from spewing your pathetic ad hominem arguments all over our forum? The fact is, I haven't seen a post that from you that isn't unnecessarily aggressive, uninformed, incorrect and most of the time off topic. As a result of this, you're mere presence upon our beloved world 30 forum is degrading. By all means remain an active member of our community, though please, shape up or ship out.

    EDIT* Your recent thread was alright. Everything else makes my palm touch my face in a slapping motion.
     
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  2. AK_iceman

    AK_iceman Guest

    What happened dudes? You're still up by a handful overall, but this week you got dominated. And this was just casual nobling...

    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: CBTF CBTF-D
    Players:

    Timeframe: Last week

    Total conquers:

    Side 1: 304
    Side 2: 219
    Difference: 85

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    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 24
    Side 2: 7
    Difference: 17

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    Points value of total conquers:

    Side 1: 2,205,379
    Side 2: 1,820,420
    Difference: 384,959

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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 224,402
    Side 2: 60,426
    Difference: 163,976

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  3. AK_iceman

    AK_iceman Guest

    Stats time! :icon_biggrin:

    Since CBTF declared on THE.

    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: CBTF CBTF-D
    Players:

    Timeframe: 07/07/2009 00:00:00 to 02/08/2009 02:37:39

    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 78
    Side 2: 39
    Difference: 39

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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 758,525
    Side 2: 320,318
    Difference: 438,207

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    The last week only.

    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: CBTF CBTF-D
    Players:

    Timeframe: Last week

    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 26
    Side 2: 2
    Difference: 24

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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 255,916
    Side 2: 20,132
    Difference: 235,784

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    Not bad CBTF, not bad at all.
     
  4. AK_iceman

    AK_iceman Guest

    And here's a look at the last month, THE vs EreVos/Guards/CBTF/CBTF-D.

    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: CBTF CBTF-D EreVos Guards
    Players:

    Timeframe: 01/07/2009 00:00:00 to 02/08/2009 02:37:39

    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 223
    Side 2: 77
    Difference: 146

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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 2,083,810
    Side 2: 670,884
    Difference: 1,412,926

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  5. slates9

    slates9 Still Going Strong

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    Nice stats AK_Iceman.

    I guess CBTF did make the wrong move into declaring on your guys then. Anyways, and least this war is still being fought, however I'm beginning to notice the momentum from CBTF drop considerably recently. Now I see why. And I guess have a big player leaving doesn't quite help them

    Guess you should've invested in some more :swordsman: CBTF. Your beginning to feel the pain
     
  6. AK_iceman

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    Yeah, they were up in the stats during the first two weeks while we wrapped up some other things, namely a pre-planned OP on EreVos/SH/!TL$!. But as promised, THE's attention is now turned toward K23 again, and even K22 in the somewhat near future.
     
  7. slates9

    slates9 Still Going Strong

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    :icon_surprised:

    Will be looking forward to some new stats coming out then :icon_razz:

    Nice war guys. It's sprucing up our end of the world a bit
     
  8. Badlapje

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    they shoulda gotten their offensive together before declaring, axes beat swords ;)
     
  9. concrete

    concrete Guest

    I want to give some remarks for the stats.
    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:
    Side 2:
    Tribes:
    Players: 3aZoOoOZ
    Timeframe: Forever
    Total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 28
    Side 2: 1
    Difference: 27
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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 287,925
    Side 2: 9,652
    Difference: 278,273
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    check this
    Side 1:
    Tribes: CBTF
    Players:
    Side 2:
    Tribes:
    Players: 3aZoOoOZ
    Timeframe: Forever
    Total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 16
    Side 2: 0
    Difference: 16

    you got 27 caps from an inactive red player.
    We arent the tribe to dismiss him to cover up the stats

    and another one you capped from when he was quite inactive
    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:
    Side 2:
    Tribes:
    Players: sanchez3827
    Timeframe: Forever
    Total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 26
    Side 2: 1
    Difference: 25
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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 245,715
    Side 2: 7,889
    Difference: 237,826
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    so from your 78ennoblements you can lower it with 53 (27+26)

    Can you tell us how many caps you took against good active players.

    We all know how good puiupiui is and how active he is...
    Side 1:
    Tribes: CBTF
    Players:
    Side 2:
    Tribes:
    Players: puiupuiu
    Timeframe: Last 24 hours
    Total conquers:
    Side 1: 41
    Side 2: 0
    Difference: 41
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    Total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 8
    Side 2: 0
    Difference: 8
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    Points value of total conquers:
    Side 1: 360,064
    Side 2: 0
    Difference: 360,064
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    Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
    Side 1: 79,598
    Side 2: 0
    Difference: 79,598
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  10. JPohlman

    JPohlman Contributing Poster

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    Sooo wait. Let me get this straight.

    You're celebrating (and rightly so) that you captured some villages from Puiupuiu. Of course, many of them are simply villages you lost to him, but hey, its a victory, right? Its something to be proud of!

    On the other hand, I don't buy the "these players are inactive so they don't matter" argument. They matter. Its not as damning as losing an active player, true, but many of the players you consider inactive are the same players you recruited to start this very war. Their membership falls directly to one...Well, two, I guess players - You and Renegade.

    Furthermore, lets just re-assess those 24 hour stats as they stand about ten seconds ago, when I took them down.




    So, lets think about it - we're up 2:1 over you. So you capped some from Puiu? We're still ahead - and all you've done is mitigate some recent losses. I think I'm content to leave it at this: If we are a crocodile, your tribe is currently proving to be little more than some chewy waterfowl.

    Lets change that, alright?
     
  11. Heard this before. It's simple if we booted them to look better then we would still get hairy arsed by you for trying to make things look better, So they went inactive not awhole lot you can do about that.

    However compliment yourselfs for taking a few inactive players bravo ^^ Once you start capping some from our active players like miked then talk. If I recall it took an awefull lot just to get the few villages you did get from one of our active players recently which happens to be miked.

    Now that one I would maybe boast about but inactive players you guys are just hard core :lol:

    @ btw Puiupuiu not very impressed at all with him. He attacked me for a few days an well didn't end up with a thing just proved to me he knew how to fight with spears an timing of his attacks were just horrible. For a leet tribe I honestly expected a better player.

    An now for the arrogance to come out. Well world were focused on a few other things atm cause THE isn't our focus now. After were done working on what we want to then we will focus back on you. :icon_rolleyes:


    @ AK_iceman were not allied to or in any coalition with EreVos so might as well leave those stats else where. Were fighting this one by ourselves as I told you before on skype.
     
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  12. the pink panther

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    yawn...

    strange how everyone we cap is inactive, everyone you cap is a bad player, stop mass recruting and you'll have less inactive players
     
  13. JPohlman

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    Y'Know...Its funny! I'm gonna isolate four players, since each one has something of a role in this rigamarole. Warning, lots of stats ahead - Cliffs at the end.



    So, Concrete, these "inactive players" that we capped soooo many easy villages from were, as it turns out, two of those that precipitated this very war! Ironic - you recruited some fugitives, we told you it was a mistake, it started a war; and now, when we are taking said fugitives out, its meaningless. Then again...


    So both the guys Vilth planned to use and Vilth himself are being taken out. Although, its still pretty darned early to say this is anything more than a meager blip to Vilth. He's pretty big, and it'll take more than this to take him down. Furthermore, I'll credit some of this success to a true surprise factor - MacReady08 is new to THE, is ex-CBTF, and joined precisely because of this policy of "recruit recruit recruit." We screened him carefully, interviewed him in detail, and ultimately accepted his application to join us based on his merits - unlike, as others have, the fact that he had villages to serve as a meat shield.

    Buuuut...Its funny you mentioned Mike D, Renegade. In fact, let me dig around for oonneeeee...



    Y'know, while I'll give MikeD credit for having the gumption to hit Kathrine first, I'd say we've taken a fairly sizable chunk out of him! While its still qualified as a "blip," its a serious one. Its potentially destabilizing. And, most of all, its downright embarrassing that the stats weren't checked before words were slung. So what were those rhetorical points of yours again?

    Recruiting these guys was a good move.
    - Clearly not the case, since we've taken a trio of 'em to the shed. Two are now being publicly written off as losses, and one - who is, admittedly, fighting very well! - is on the ropes with some broken limbs. Oh, and we're capping some vils from the very guy who posted this war notice. Oh, and the guy doing so is an excellent player that left precisely because of the policy in question. In short, it cannot possibly be proven anymore inaccurate.

    THE defeating inactives means nothing.
    - Well, besides the obviously successful public suicide of CBTF leadership's credibility as strategic thinkers, as outlined above, we are gaining territory at a rapid rate, allowing us new villages from which to construct nobles and defensive brigades. At the same time, CBTF is suffering losses both in terms of territory and morale. The losses incurred by the new recruits (refugees) cannot possibly help your command structure remain intact; instead, it likely makes it harder for your players to willingly stand against us. As well it should.

    THE isn't as skilled as we thought.
    - Possibly true, possibly not. We're fighting a two front war. You are, or at least were (EreVos, anyone?) fighting a one-front one. Now, whether or not we proved ourselves right with regards to your allies/former allies doesn't mean a thing when compared to the way EreVos and CBTF are having little to no tangible effect against us. We are still #1; our margin has even grown. Our ODD and ODA are both #1, making us the overall #1 for offense and defense. Most importantly, we have continued to take territory at your expense. Perhaps we aren't as skilled as we would like to be, but THE has always placed a premium on the pursuit of perfection. We will never be perfect - we will strive to become as close to it as possible.

    THE isn't our primary area of focus.
    - Ahh, my final and favorite, introduced by Renegade. My friend, let me be plain here for a second - what? Puiupuiu is under a heavy attack, which tells me he damn well is your focus. But perhaps he isn't - then who is? EreVos? Hey, if so, great! You guys knock each other out, we'll just pick up your villages along the way. You aren't getting out of this war scott free. There is a price to be paid for crossing us - and until we are satisfied, things will get worse. The next surrender package you ask for and are offered will not be as gentle as the last that you turned down; it will be harsher...

    ...But wait, I'm off topic. On-topic, even if we are not your primary focus, and even if for the moment we are focusing on you, so what? Again, we are fighting a two-front war. We are not fighting this war to please you; we are fighting it for our own pleasures, and will fight it on our own pace. Does it really matter to us if you die today or tomorrow? Or does it only matter to you?


    Look. Not for nothin', and with all due respect, but you're missing the point of this war entirely. You began it by incessantly recruiting rubbish. We told you it was rubbish, you insisted on crossing us. Fine. Now, your tribe is paying the penalty for that. Rather than doing the honorable thing and acting in public as you have in private, you've elected to put on a tough face and talk trash while dancing around in the back rooms, hoping we'd, what? See you as a useful pawn against EreVos? I don't know if you've noticed, but we're not having a hard time with them. We're having a rather easy time, in fact, with both of you. Until this changes, if this changes, I would suggest you be less confrontational in public. Stop squawking like a duck caught between the jowls of a crocodile; its unbecoming of a tribe with a far greater pedigree than its acting.


    Cliffs

    - They say our inactive capping doesn't matter.
    - We remind them that these inactives started this war.
    - We also remind them that they're losing this war, not us.
    - We throw a bunch of numbers up to prove it.
    - They...Post back, probably, heedless of how bad they have it.
     
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  14. AK_iceman

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    Excellent post JP! :)

    Thanks for reminding me, but let me remind you that we're still fighting both CBTF family and EreVos family. The fact that you worked together for the past month means that it's perfectly acceptable for me to put you both in the war stats.

    I also posted the THE vs CBTF family stats separate, just for you. :)


    This is too funny... CBTF declares war on us, then a month later when they're getting killed they say it's because their focus isn't on us right now. :icon_razz:

    If you're gonna go through the trouble of writing a declaration, at least back it up by following through in-game.

    P.S. Recruit our food, become our food. Wakka Wakka. :)
     
  15. I'd hardly say were getting killed, but call it w/e you want.

    I had to bold out one part an ask. Where is THE's big mouth now when it came to we will never recruit you or any ex Kraken member cause were all your food?

    An I do call mac a meat shield for you a good tactical move on your behalf thats for sure.

    An there are a select few inculding mac himself that knows why he was able to attack an take anything from Vithrul. It's just sad he has to use people that he's known for over the last year to try an save his own hide. Meh you will figure it all out over due time.

    I'm honesltly tired of trying to come here an bicker it out like a bunch of little kids. So have fun flaming this tread for the next few months if not longer then that. Cause CBTF isn't goin anywhere :icon_wink:

    Edit:
    Btw ty :p
     
  16. Macready08

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    Sorry but I wont sit here and watch you spout it :icon_eek:

    Lets Dig out the old skype logs me thinks?

    It’s funny the lengths people go to when there trying to discredit people. We both know he quit so let’s not twist it to try and make me look like I backstab my friends :icon_rolleyes:

    I’m sure we can agree that when a pilot (who I’ve never met) takes over an account and plays it... well you can’t really argue that I’m attacking someone I knew for a year because sorry to break it to you that guy quit.

    However I can confirm that after you and another CBTF member sent an e mail to the original owner he came back to help you out, until you find another owner for the account. Guess the first pilot just couldn’t cut it eh? :icon_eek:


    You also say that I’m doing this to save my own hide? Yes that what I done I joined the enemy of the tribe which totally surrounds me for my own safety... :icon_rolleyes:
     
  17. AK_iceman

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    Maybe "killed" was the wrong word, but we're outnobling you 2:1 right now. That's something...


    True, I did say that. When we first began the Kraken war back in April, our focus was on K23. I did a quick analysis on the players in K23, and found none of them to be THE material. Almost all of them had more points than OD, and had been capping mostly barbs due to Kraken having recruited everything that moved within the K. I made that statement, and followed through on it for the last 4 months.

    Since then, there have been a couple players who emerged as good fighters/tribemates who were a part of that original abysmal tribe, macready being one of them. He left CBTF, did the one-man tribe thing for a bit, and after a thorough process to determine his loyalty he was accepted into THE. The attacks on Vilthuril you can call what you want, but macready is doing exactly what we teach players to do here. He's fighting the enemy and gaining ground.

    Besides, you guys already had plans to attack him even before he joined THE, so why shouldn't he make the first strike?

    We didn't recruit mac as a meat shield. Meat shield status is reserved for players who can't fight and would only be a distraction for your noblemen. If I made a habit out of recruiting meatshields, I would have my choice from at least 5 of your current members who have applied to THE.

    Side 1:
    Tribes: THE
    Players:

    Side 2:
    Tribes: CBTF CBTF-D
    Players:

    Timeframe: Last week

    Total conquers against opposite side:

    Side 1: 51
    Side 2: 16
    Difference: 35

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  18. spleen mage

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    Ironic. You mass-recruit an entire continent, then whinge that we're only attacking your inactives.

    Since most of the people we attack seem to be supposed inactives, your recruiter needs a good slap round the head for taking them on board in the first place.

    A /facepalm moment if ever I saw one.
     
  19. looks like CBTF is still feeding the crocodile :lol:
     
  20. the pink panther

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    It appears so...