The Ripple Effect
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So, I've never really had much dealings with KuljaniCS until only the last month or so, and my my my, I've gotten to know him much better than I ever wished to. In this thread, I will post up all my encounters and conversations with him, and I will leave you to decide whether he is right or I am.
#1 The Agreement.
In here, was our initial agreement when we had our NAP, back when CH was around.
Do note that there are a few clauses here.
1. Who clears a village, has the right to noble it.
2. If the village is being targeted by 2 players, and both suffer losses, the one that suffers greater losses while clearing the village, has the right for it.
3. Should the village begin as being empty in the first place, the person that nobles first, has the right to keep it.
Note that, these are to be in order. Hence, clause 1 must be broken before clause 2 is looked at, and then clause 3. This was my interpretation of the agreement, but apparently...dear friend KuljaniCS has different thoughts.
#2 Cross noblings
I will be bringing up a few cross-nobles that I've had with them, as points to substantiate my case.
Village A - 528|616
Vemork clearing report on Village A
This was my first report forwarded to him, when I asked him to get his member to give it back to me.
He then responded with His tribemate's clearing report on Village A, concluding that he had 'great losses' and that the village should belong to him. I was dumbfounded.
Still, I played nice, so I decided to keep calm and sent him reports again, to show that i definitely had greater losses.
Clearing Report 1
Clearing Report 2
Clearing Report 3
As can be seen, I've had a grand total of over 500 axemen, 2000lc, and a nobleman lost, as compared to 1000 spears/1000 swords (which he should not have been using to clear villages in the first place.
Status - RoyalE refuses to return it.
Village B - 427|658
This village, was a cross-noble between himself and me. He happened to have his noble take it, 1 hour before mine hit. (I sent it before his noble landed, so I did not attack him).
KuljaniCS's noble report
KuljaniCS came to me with this report, and said that he nobled it first, and that it belonged to him. (He was following Clause 3). The thing is, Clause 1 and 2 have clearly been overlooked. If a village has been cleared by someone, regardless of the amount, the person who cleared it, takes it!
I however, have this report, to show that I did clear it.
My Clearing Report
I am sorry that there is only a spearman inside, however, as per our agreement, the fact is I cleared it!
Kul then proceeded to get back at this with me, to say that he suffered greater losses.
His great losses
Now, let's see the conversation he then had with me.
Ok, let's have a closer look over here. He has suddenly claimed that the wall is to be considered a troop? (It is not)
He also states that he had greater losses, but ladies and gentlemen, did he clear anything?
I end over here, and we can see how he has clearly no sense at all when he speaks to me.
Status - I have not given it back, because I know and I believe it is rightfully mine.
Village C - 450|667
This village, was a village that got cross-nobled off me. I asked for it to be given back because I took it first.
Report of the cross-nobling matter
Report of final nobling
Kul then produced reports showing that the tribemate did indeed suffer losses clearing it.
Effect lost a nuke on the village
This report, however, shows that the player did lose nukes in trying to clear it, but he did not clear the village. Do note, that our clause states that in 'trying to clear the same village'.
Report where I nobled it
Do note, that in this report where I nobled it, it clearly shows 9500 scouts out of town, which amounts to 19k farm population, nearly an entire farm space. This shows that my noble did 'clear the village'. However, I decided to let it go and be the bigger man.
Status - I did not pursue the village, the village belongs to Royal E.
Village D - 497|603
This leads me to the final village I will be going through over here, even though there are probably a few more examples.
Village D is a village where I spent 2 nukes on.
Clearing Nuke A
Clearing Nuke B
I presented these to him yesterday during our discussions, and we came to this.
HOWEVER, when I scouted it today...
Scout Report
I then received this threatenening message from the beloved duke of RoyalE.
Status - RoyalE refuses to return the village.
#3 The Round Up
I have presented my case here, and I have tried to argue facts, with facts, while remaining level-headed even when dealing with these kind of people. However, there comes a time when even I just cannot take anymore bullshit (for lack of a better word) from such people. The NAP is still on, and I do intend to respect it, but it seems that I just cannot negotiate with them...so if I do take villages this time, I do feel that I have a right to fight for what is mine.
I believe that I have stuck to the clause initially struck up, and that I have not broken anything. If anyone feels otherwise, I welcome criticsm of any sorts which may point out that I am wrong. Till then, I shall conclude that KuljaniCS may be an adult, but he sure behaves like a little kid.
This was our final exchange.
I shall leave you all to decide who is right or wrong. I also pity the members that are under such a leader
In the meantime, if any of you are unfortunate to have to talk to him personally...
Do remember that not all little kids are smart. (KuljaniCS as seen below)
I hope you all had a good read, and know slightly more about politics in the South.
Cheers,
Vemork
PS: I am not a leader in W1V. My account was the duke of the tribe CH, but CH has since disbanded. I speak from a player's point of view, and am in no way inciting war between W1V and RoyalE. This post serves to show the traits that KuljaniCS has shown in my dealings with him, and how you all wish to view him...that is left for you to decide.
#1 The Agreement.
In here, was our initial agreement when we had our NAP, back when CH was around.
[2/28/2014 12:24:31 AM] Krieger: if you want crossnobling terms we would need discussing it
[2/28/2014 12:24:35 AM] Matthew: Yes, I do.
[2/28/2014 12:26:40 AM] Krieger: then who ever cleared villages from now on have right to noble village. if 2 players try to clear same village then player that have more looses have right for it. if village was empty who ever noble it first have right to keep it.
Do note that there are a few clauses here.
1. Who clears a village, has the right to noble it.
2. If the village is being targeted by 2 players, and both suffer losses, the one that suffers greater losses while clearing the village, has the right for it.
3. Should the village begin as being empty in the first place, the person that nobles first, has the right to keep it.
Note that, these are to be in order. Hence, clause 1 must be broken before clause 2 is looked at, and then clause 3. This was my interpretation of the agreement, but apparently...dear friend KuljaniCS has different thoughts.
#2 Cross noblings
I will be bringing up a few cross-nobles that I've had with them, as points to substantiate my case.
Village A - 528|616
Vemork clearing report on Village A
This was my first report forwarded to him, when I asked him to get his member to give it back to me.
He then responded with His tribemate's clearing report on Village A, concluding that he had 'great losses' and that the village should belong to him. I was dumbfounded.
Still, I played nice, so I decided to keep calm and sent him reports again, to show that i definitely had greater losses.
Clearing Report 1
Clearing Report 2
Clearing Report 3
As can be seen, I've had a grand total of over 500 axemen, 2000lc, and a nobleman lost, as compared to 1000 spears/1000 swords (which he should not have been using to clear villages in the first place.
Status - RoyalE refuses to return it.
Village B - 427|658
This village, was a cross-noble between himself and me. He happened to have his noble take it, 1 hour before mine hit. (I sent it before his noble landed, so I did not attack him).
KuljaniCS's noble report
KuljaniCS came to me with this report, and said that he nobled it first, and that it belonged to him. (He was following Clause 3). The thing is, Clause 1 and 2 have clearly been overlooked. If a village has been cleared by someone, regardless of the amount, the person who cleared it, takes it!
I however, have this report, to show that I did clear it.
My Clearing Report
I am sorry that there is only a spearman inside, however, as per our agreement, the fact is I cleared it!
Kul then proceeded to get back at this with me, to say that he suffered greater losses.
His great losses
Now, let's see the conversation he then had with me.
Vemork Mar 13, 07:52
Yes, but who cleared it.
That's the deal, doesn't matter what I know Kul. We stick to what we agreed, don't we?
Vemork Mar 13, 07:52
1. There was a spearman inside, I cleared it.
2. You cleared no troops.
Vemork Mar 13, 07:53
You want to stick to agreements, then what did I say that is wrong?
Vemork Mar 13, 07:55
I had more losses while clearing the village. If you have a report where you have more losses than me while cleraing the village, village is yours. Right now, you lost troops, but you did not clear anything.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 07:56
you kidding me right ?
Vemork Mar 13, 07:57
No I'm not. I am just following what you agreed upon.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:01
killng 1 axes you call clearing villa ? hahahha
well in that ase wall 20 is mine enemy (it has defesnives value). as it an kill troops i loose more then you.
Vemork Mar 13, 08:01
Did you clear the wall?
Vemork Mar 13, 08:02
We are not talking about buildings here. What was the agreement? Clearing the village. We are talking about troops. Yes, maybe it's not much, but a troop is a troop. Don't you agree?
Ok, let's have a closer look over here. He has suddenly claimed that the wall is to be considered a troop? (It is not)
He also states that he had greater losses, but ladies and gentlemen, did he clear anything?
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:03
i clear that villa with great looses then you.
Vemork Mar 13, 08:03
You did not clear anything. You attacked it. That is all. Show me a report where you killed troops in that village.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:03
i never mention we spooke about troops at targeted villages in our agreement.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:03
we spoke about looses
Vemork Mar 13, 08:04
Yes, we spoke about clearing the village. I cleared it.
Vemork Mar 13, 08:04
Losses while clearing the village. You had losses, but you did not clear the village.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:05
i cleared it also. wall 20 has defensive value. with greater looses the you.
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 08:08
eVemork today at 08:04
Losses while clearing the villag
wrong. looses wile you trying to clear this village. read agreement again.
Vemork Mar 13, 10:28
Lol even if you count wall as a troop, wall wasn't demolished so you cleared nothing. Back to the point, I cleared a spear, what did you clear
KuljaniCS Mar 13, 13:03
who said anything about defending troops on our agreement ?
well this issue would be directed to leader of your tribe
Vemork Mar 13, 13:04
Lol. So now you refuse to follow the agreement you made
I cleared village, you did not. Fact is fact. 1 spearman is still a troop.
I end over here, and we can see how he has clearly no sense at all when he speaks to me.
Status - I have not given it back, because I know and I believe it is rightfully mine.
Village C - 450|667
This village, was a village that got cross-nobled off me. I asked for it to be given back because I took it first.
Report of the cross-nobling matter
Report of final nobling
Kul then produced reports showing that the tribemate did indeed suffer losses clearing it.
Effect lost a nuke on the village
This report, however, shows that the player did lose nukes in trying to clear it, but he did not clear the village. Do note, that our clause states that in 'trying to clear the same village'.
Report where I nobled it
Do note, that in this report where I nobled it, it clearly shows 9500 scouts out of town, which amounts to 19k farm population, nearly an entire farm space. This shows that my noble did 'clear the village'. However, I decided to let it go and be the bigger man.
Status - I did not pursue the village, the village belongs to Royal E.
Village D - 497|603
This leads me to the final village I will be going through over here, even though there are probably a few more examples.
Village D is a village where I spent 2 nukes on.
Clearing Nuke A
Clearing Nuke B
I presented these to him yesterday during our discussions, and we came to this.
HOWEVER, when I scouted it today...
Scout Report
KuljaniCS Mar 14, 07:40[/u]
well next attack from you without letting me know firstb - NAP is down.
good luck.
I then received this threatenening message from the beloved duke of RoyalE.
Status - RoyalE refuses to return the village.
#3 The Round Up
I have presented my case here, and I have tried to argue facts, with facts, while remaining level-headed even when dealing with these kind of people. However, there comes a time when even I just cannot take anymore bullshit (for lack of a better word) from such people. The NAP is still on, and I do intend to respect it, but it seems that I just cannot negotiate with them...so if I do take villages this time, I do feel that I have a right to fight for what is mine.
I believe that I have stuck to the clause initially struck up, and that I have not broken anything. If anyone feels otherwise, I welcome criticsm of any sorts which may point out that I am wrong. Till then, I shall conclude that KuljaniCS may be an adult, but he sure behaves like a little kid.
This was our final exchange.
KuljaniCS Mar 14, 07:56
your so full of shit.
Vemork Mar 14, 07:57
I never said you are right, I am just tired of arguing with you when you don't admit you are wrong.
Vemork Mar 14, 07:57
You know very well you didn't clear a single shit in that village. noob.
Vemork Mar 14, 07:58
For every village I take, I have reports to show I clear.
From Takeshi, to your other tribemate, and yourself.
You don't want to admit it, fine by me. Done talking to thick headed people like you.
KuljaniCS Mar 14, 07:58
just a minute - bigger looses from your side are part of terms, bigger looses from our side are not ? your so patetic.
Vemork Mar 14, 07:59
I am blocking you, you make 0 sense all the time.
I do not want to talk to you anymore.
I shall leave you all to decide who is right or wrong. I also pity the members that are under such a leader
In the meantime, if any of you are unfortunate to have to talk to him personally...
Do remember that not all little kids are smart. (KuljaniCS as seen below)
I hope you all had a good read, and know slightly more about politics in the South.
Cheers,
Vemork
PS: I am not a leader in W1V. My account was the duke of the tribe CH, but CH has since disbanded. I speak from a player's point of view, and am in no way inciting war between W1V and RoyalE. This post serves to show the traits that KuljaniCS has shown in my dealings with him, and how you all wish to view him...that is left for you to decide.
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