Lame war declaration from Phoenx

[DeletedUser79042]

if you do have problem with us joining, message CHST leadership and if they want me to leave, i will do so.

Actually no. If I am to engage you to battle, I am not going to message CHST leadership :lol: They should message me first.

Before joining i cleared with BH.

They gave you a pardon paper? And it is all good?

I have no frontline with pheonx.

You are sure you are watching the map right ?

There is absolutely no problem with you joining us. In fact, we're happy to have you.

I will disagree on this. There is. Also observe that I do not fly the BH colours for quite a long time now :icon_idea:

I am squeaky clean

Being "clean" helped you to grow easy eh EDS ? Easy, like some others (rather too many I am afraid) I know...

As for me barking at the wrong tree, seems that your BH relationship has helped you to understand the language of the dogs as it seems. Does RAM speak the same language? Or did they simply not know that ?

This is not case closed (how could it be, since the refugee term is widely known) and furthermore, I would be a little more careful with the answers you boys/girls/bears :lol: come up with at the pnp.

 

[DeletedUser]

If you see clean as meaning I avoid conflict then I would say I have seen more than my fair share of attacks on this world until now, so no thats not how I have been able to grow. I agree there are many large accounts that to be honest I would be ashamed to own, lerking in the backlines doing nothing to help there respective tribe/tribes and depriving tribe mates of much needed Ds for no reason other than self preservation.

One such player drifted (no pun intended) too close to the pheonix f/l and had there bum smacked, but now there are many more inactives in safe areas to noble they will be happy again.

As for speaking BHs language or RAMs for that matter im not too sure what you are trying to get at. I am in CH~ST we have NAPs with both the two tribes mentioned but are allied to neither.

EDS

 

[DeletedUser]

I didn't realise that NAP meant you could still noble players in such tribes.

BVN (932|642) K69 9,466 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-05 00:00:12
L 050 (933|644) K69 10,081 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-04 18:32:03

Okay, I never expected to speak as noob's attorney, but...

a. When he formed a tribe of his own, he was attacked to be rimmed by his "tribemates". After some weeks, he deleted.
b. He decided to continue the game as an adversary of the above mentioned lovely tribemates ^^

As for the child mentality and parental control of him, those are just pathetic comments, by another noob hater of this world. One of many as it seems... Pity.

Keep them to your chest then, while playing without the usual scope of a game, which is winning it...

We were given intel that Noob was planning a joint attack with Phoenx and sitting accounts in enemy tribes... The fact that his 'tribemates' were the ones who had disbanded both RAM and DRIFT, didn't help that situation either.

 

[DeletedUser]

YAWN!

 

[DeletedUser79042]

I didn't realise that NAP meant you could still noble players in such tribes.

BVN (932|642) K69 9,466 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-05 00:00:12
L 050 (933|644) K69 10,081 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-04 18:32:03

:lol: :lol: :lol:

We must fid another term. Not allied, not NAPping, maybe... maybe... "RealEstating" Yes! :icon_idea:

 

[DeletedUser]

I didn't realise that NAP meant you could still noble players in such tribes.

BVN (932|642) K69 9,466 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-05 00:00:12
L 050 (933|644) K69 10,081 dannahriza [RAM] lauradoom [CH~ST] 2011-11-04 18:32:03






We were given intel that Noob was planning a joint attack with Phoenx and sitting accounts in enemy tribes... The fact that his 'tribemates' were the ones who had disbanded both RAM and DRIFT, didn't help that situation either.

Your intel was totally wrong as always. The only thing that could have happened is that some RAM members wanted to give their accounts to Phoenx to fight from inside their core. It was Wittman who was talking about ops against me first.

It was obvious it was going to happen at some point anyway so I don't really care to be honest. I held from attacking RAM for quite a long time. Thinking about it now, I should have just hit sooner but I always had a little hope that RAM would see they were screwing themselves... But results speaks for themselves don't they? I can repeat it over and over, but the facts we are seeing now speak much louder than my words ever could.


Put your names on the long list of noob haters. I just enjoy making it as long as I can. Always better to be hated than ignored.

Reality remains the same, RAM sucks and will fall as I predicted because they were too blinded by their "mega size" and tought they could just do whatever they wanted. Treat people as bad as they wanted, be as arrogant as they wanted...

I'm always remembering how everybody disagreed with the decision, how everybody tought it was stupid but that nobody (but me) wanted to do anything about it. I got insulted, blah blah blah, I won't go through all of that again.

I am enjoying RAM's slow death. Every moments of it.

I had nothing to do with any disbandment in any way. I'm not SFC :icon_biggrin:

 

[DeletedUser79042]

I am enjoying RAM's slow death. Every moments of it.

RAM is not dying. They are just regrouping.

I am sure someone will find this motto somewhere :icon_biggrin:
[spoil]

[/spoil]

(they even got irock account back in RAM :icon_rolleyes: )

 

[DeletedUser]

Stats time.

RAM continues to go down extremely fast. We're nobling more from them, then they are nobling externally (barbs+others).



Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM, Drift

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 328
Side 2: 29
Difference: 299

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 3,083,161
Side 2: 272,219
Difference: 2,810,942

Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM, Drift

Timeframe: Last month

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 1,321
Side 2: 216
Difference: 1,105

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 12,265,892
Side 2: 1,962,107
Difference: 10,303,785

[As said before, forever does not take results into account from before RAM disbandment for the 1st and 2nd time - however we were also positive then ]


Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM, Drift

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 4,112
Side 2: 2,970
Difference: 1,142

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 38,548,791
Side 2: 27,383,226
Difference: 11,165,565

 

[DeletedUser]

RAM continues to go down extremely fast. We're nobling more from them, then they are nobling externally (barbs+others).

Doesn't look that way


Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers:

Side 1: 408
Side 2: 474
Difference: 66

If you are going to make a quote and use stats at least be sure the stats you quote are correct, makes for more fun when gloating

 

[DeletedUser71961]

mr fisher if you are going to post stats shouldnt it be Total conquers against opposite side:?

 

[DeletedUser]

mr fisher if you are going to post stats shouldnt it be Total conquers against opposite side:?

I believe he was addressing Snafu's comment of RAM taking less villages overall than Phoenx were taking off us.

 

[DeletedUser]

Doesn't look that way


Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers:

Side 1: 408
Side 2: 474
Difference: 66

If you are going to make a quote and use stats at least be sure the stats you quote are correct, makes for more fun when gloating

What from the following point below was wrong ? :

We're nobling more from them, then they are nobling externally (barbs+others).

Externally in my idea still means external village takes (being excluding internal noblings). From what I can see from TW stats, that's roughly more then 50% of their noblings. And my above quote still stands.


(Off course, it might also be my english. It's only my 3th language after all).


So, lets ignore the above discussion, and continue on with the gloating !

 

[DeletedUser]

I agree with the Snafu guy.


When you add that Phoenx have significantly less members, there is certainly good reasons for gloating.

Phoenx has built a strong brand of excellence, best pound for pound tribe this world had. I hope nobody disagrees with that.

 

[DeletedUser]

T33chr and Mike:

Doesn't look that way


Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Last week

(edited, but it's total conquers overall, not against each side.)

If you are going to make a quote and use stats at least be sure the stats you quote are correct, makes for more fun when gloating

T33chr:

I believe he was addressing Snafu's comment of RAM taking less villages overall than Phoenx were taking off us.

Mike, you know stats can show what we want, depending on the timeframe. You picked one of countless timeframes possible, used to it show Snafu was wrong, then scolded him for not having the stats support his statement. But you got his statement incorrect. And T33chr, you fell right into it. But watch, we can make what you thought he wrote true, too:


Last 24: (Phoenx up by 2 in total conquers):

[spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Last 24 hours

Total conquers:

Side 1: 55
Side 2: 53
Difference: 2

[/spoil]

Last 48: (Phoenx up by 8 in total conquers):

[spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Last 48 hours

Total conquers:

Side 1: 113
Side 2: 105
Difference: 8

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 76
Side 2: 1
Difference: 75

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 892,582
Side 2: 951,675
Difference: 59,093

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 708,462
Side 2: 10,042
Difference: 698,420

[/spoil]

And, most importantly,

Forever: (Phoenx up 1,892 in total conquers)

[spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: Phoenx
Side 2:
Tribes: RAM

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers:

Side 1: 28,258
Side 2: 26,366
Difference: 1,892

[/spoil]

It's a little ... shaky to pick a time period on TWStats to say Snafu is wrong, when the forever stats show Phoenx up over 1,800 on RAM in total conquers.

I mean, it's OK for you to post that, but to call him out for saying that Phoenx is not outnobling RAM using last week's statistics only is ... unfair.

When in fact Snafu is right by the most complete stats there are - forever stats.

Most importantly, Snafu said that Phoenx was nobling more FROM them then RAM was nobling if you exclude internals. T33chr and Mike apparently missed that distinction. No matter, Phoenx will just keep nobling.

Even using Mike's timeframe (last week), it shows RAM internaled 180 of their total conquers - making 328 conquers by Phoenx against RAM almost more than the 396 total conquers by RAM during that period.

Eh, stats are stats. RAM can do what they want. Phoenx will continue to eat the enemy.

 

[DeletedUser]

mr fisher if you are going to post stats shouldnt it be Total conquers against opposite side:?

No because it's a reply specific to the line quoted

 

[DeletedUser]

RAM Gains from #1

No tribe 8,754 conquers 33.15% #2

RAM 6,345 conquers 24.03% #3

Phoenx 2,940 conquers 11.13% #4

Drift 1,574 conquers 5.96% #5

BH. 861 conquers 3.26% #6

Escape 846 conquers 3.2% #7

BH 771 conquers 2.92% #8

TXI 702 conquers 2.66% #9

DONE 364 conquers 1.38% #10

TUC 363 conquers 1.37%

RAM Losses to #1

RAM 6,345 conquers 40.61% #2

Phoenx 3,877 conquers 24.81% #3

BH 1,896 conquers 12.13% #4

BH. 801 conquers 5.13% #5

LoEN 652 conquers 4.17% #6

DECIDE 477 conquers 3.05% #7

Escape 423 conquers 2.71% #8

LEGI0N 271 conquers 1.73% #9

Drift 271 conquers 1.73% #10

Legion 121 conquers 0.77%

Phoenix Gains from#1

No tribe 8,732 conquers 30.86% #2

Phoenx 5,383 conquers 19.02% #3

RAM 3,881 conquers 13.71% #4

D2 1,581 conquers 5.59% #5

Die. 1,248 conquers 4.41% #6

BD 1,233 conquers 4.36% #7

RAM 1,129 conquers 3.99% #8

LoEN 421 conquers 1.49% #9

PTM 419 conquers 1.48% #10

D2a 385 conquers 1.36%

Phoenix Losses to 1

Phoenx 5,383 conquers 44.83% #2

RAM 2,940 conquers 24.48% #3

RAM 1,116 conquers 9.29% #4

BD 1,069 conquers 8.9% #5

Die. 304 conquers 2.53% #6

LoEN 231 conquers 1.92% #7

DRIFT 219 conquers 1.82% #8

D2 168 conquers 1.4% #9

No tribe 68 conquers 0.57% #10

Rome2 53 conquers 0.44%

Far prettier and if you can interpret pie charts ( maths 101 you should have been paying attention at the back! ) much easier and more interesting than raw statististics

 

[DeletedUser]

Mike:

My only point (sorta) was that stats are useless. So posting them is somewhat silly. But what is more silly is to criticize someone for posting the "wrong" stats.

(For example, even in your stats it doesn't include Phoenx gains from DRIFT - although DRIFT does show in RAM's stats, for some reason - and it also doesn't include kicked accounts, cross-nobling, retakes, etc.)

RAM is obviously sensitive about the idea thye just noble themselves, because after 7 million points lost to internals, this happened:

Crimsonking1999 Tribe Changes:

SKDTS RAM 04th April 2011 - 18:04:12 7,960,219
RAM None 18th November 2011 - 18:04:43 649,136
None B2T 20th November 2011 - 00:04:46 590,712

Keep in mind that RAM is still actively eating him. Same thing just happened with TopDog678 ("left tribe" on the 18th, over 20 RAM takes since, no increase in ODA in a month), mtxrcr62 ("left" on the 10th, after RAM took over 550 villas from him - still being eaten by RAM) ... I could go on.

Phoenx, on the other hand, kept Warfighter21 until RAM had taken all his villas, regardless of the fact that he was long, long gone. Phoenx didn't dismiss him until he was at zero points. Phoenx didn't care how it "looked" on the stat line.

Eh, again, my main point is that stats are useless. No one can possibly deny that Phoenx nobles enemies - RAM nobles themselves.

 

[DeletedUser]

Mike:

My only point (sorta) was that stats are useless. So posting them is somewhat silly. But what is more silly is to criticize someone for posting the "wrong" stats.

(For example, even in your stats it doesn't include Phoenx gains from DRIFT - although DRIFT does show in RAM's stats, for some reason - and it also doesn't include kicked accounts, cross-nobling, retakes, etc.)

RAM is obviously sensitive about the idea thye just noble themselves, because after 7 million points lost to internals, this happened:

Crimsonking1999 Tribe Changes:

SKDTS RAM 04th April 2011 - 18:04:12 7,960,219
RAM None 18th November 2011 - 18:04:43 649,136
None B2T 20th November 2011 - 00:04:46 590,712

Keep in mind that RAM is still actively eating him. Same thing just happened with TopDog678 ("left tribe" on the 18th, over 20 RAM takes since, no increase in ODA in a month), mtxrcr62 ("left" on the 10th, after RAM took over 550 villas from him - still being eaten by RAM) ... I could go on.

Phoenx, on the other hand, kept Warfighter21 until RAM had taken all his villas, regardless of the fact that he was long, long gone. Phoenx didn't dismiss him until he was at zero points. Phoenx didn't care how it "looked" on the stat line.

Eh, again, my main point is that stats are useless. No one can possibly deny that Phoenx nobles enemies - RAM nobles themselves.

Quite agree which is why I like to take to take to task people who post stats as evidence. Stats only show what you want to spin onto them ( Unless it's me posting LoEN stats, in which case all previous, present and future arguments are null and void )

However the pie charts do make for interesting comparisons in that if you add the no tribe and internal figures together ( which would account fopr any internals that left the tribe but didn't start another tribe gives you the following
RAM 57.18%
Phoenix 59.88%

Very little overall difference, however if you were to the divide the %ages by the number of players in the tribe you get a vastly different outlook on the activeness per player

As they say Lies, Damn Lies and statistics

 

[DeletedUser]

Quite agree which is why I like to take to take to task people who post stats as evidence. Stats only show what you want to spin onto them ( Unless it's me posting LoEN stats, in which case all previous, present and future arguments are null and void )

However the pie charts do make for interesting comparisons in that if you add the no tribe and internal figures together ( which would account fopr any internals that left the tribe but didn't start another tribe gives you the following
RAM 57.18%
Phoenix 59.88%

Very little overall difference, however if you were to the divide the %ages by the number of players in the tribe you get a vastly different outlook on the activeness per player

As they say Lies, Damn Lies and statistics

We're in complete agreement - except for the numbers above. As I wrote, Phoenx NEVER kicks a player and then eats them - it eats them internally, completely - and then kicks them at zero points.

RAM, however, OFTEN kicks them (or has the sitter make them leave) and then takes villas. Why does this matter, people ask? It matters because RAM's internal take numbers would be far higher if you included the types of accounts I'm talking about. (Another example - Aubree, anyone? "I quit, I left RAM, come take my villas, former RAM members." That kind of stuff.)

 

[DeletedUser]

We're in complete agreement - except for the numbers above. As I wrote, Phoenx NEVER kicks a player and then eats them - it eats them internally, completely - and then kicks them at zero points.

RAM, however, OFTEN kicks them (or has the sitter make them leave) and then takes villas. Why does this matter, people ask? It matters because RAM's internal take numbers would be far higher if you included the types of accounts I'm talking about. (Another example - Aubree, anyone? "I quit, I left RAM, come take my villas, former RAM members." That kind of stuff.)

I think maybe you could be reading into it far too much. After all, wouldn't be kicking every internal if that was the case? There are others currently being internalled still in the tribe that you haven't included.

I don't think our leaders worry so much about what the pnp community will say before making a decision to boot or keep. Because at the end of the day, flamers will find any reason to flame...

It's a shame we have to spend so much time internalling members - credit goes to Phoenx and BH who have driven many of our players to quit. But, at the end of the day, if we don't, there will be 'death stars' popping up all over the place.