DeletedUser99160
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I know that. Nothing was edited. *facepalm* What do you think I'm a noob or something.
I had just started co-playing JF10.
I know that. Nothing was edited. *facepalm* What do you think I'm a noob or something.
I had just started co-playing JF10.
DeletedUser92790
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from someone who has been in the tribe, and who has known ants for quite some time, if there is anything ants is, its not power hungry. if anyone is power hungry, its wicker, the guy left after not getting the duke title to go make his own tribe to lead.
and to the comments made about shahz, you must be a fool to still believe he is awful, i will admit, i used to think those same things. but look at the guy, he is top 20. you don't get there being a nub.
and to the comments made about shahz, you must be a fool to still believe he is awful, i will admit, i used to think those same things. but look at the guy, he is top 20. you don't get there being a nub.
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I've been so kind to answer the bolded lines of your post.
I can see that. Thats the reason why he was still leading the tribe, when I left. Yes yes yes, I know he didn't have duke status and what so ever. But the fact is the still lead the tribe. Ask anyone you want. Even powendu know it, and even though he is still there he can only confirm that.
I left becourse I didn't get duke title? As far as I know both Hackster(my co) and me stated many times that we were very happy that he was chosen as duke. He can confirm that personally if you ask him. The problem was Ant's, and that is quite obvious to everyone, now isn't it?
I never said he is a fool?
I don't see how being top 20, has something to do with how you lead a tribe. So that means the rank 1 player is the best guy to lead a tribe? I don't get your logic...
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[spoil]
Spoilers please :icon_eek:
Nice response, especially when coupled with.....
Inconsistencies in their stories? :lol:
[spoil]
Did =X send out a circ asking all members to come here and defend their tribe and shahyd? :icon_rolleyes:
In response to shahz, he could be a good player, but playing and leading are separate in my books :icon_rolleyes:
Really? Care to show us a screenie?
Please don't make me answer your question :lol:
[/spoil]Sorry guys, wont happen again
Check the fine black boxes I made around both pictures, so make sure you all got it. Its the same player!
Spoilers please :icon_eek:
Nice response, especially when coupled with.....
Inconsistencies in their stories? :lol:
[spoil]
[/spoil]
Did =X send out a circ asking all members to come here and defend their tribe and shahyd? :icon_rolleyes:
In response to shahz, he could be a good player, but playing and leading are separate in my books :icon_rolleyes:
Really? Care to show us a screenie?
Please don't make me answer your question :lol:
DeletedUser101881
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Please don't make me answer your question
lol :lol:
lol :lol:
DeletedUser
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Exactly my thought. I hope your playing are better than your posting. I will certainly miss the old owner of that account. The new one don't seem too smart
DeletedUser101881
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Exactly my thought. I hope your playing are better than your posting. I will certainly miss the old owner of that account. The new one don't seem too smart
Really..you knew the old owner?
DeletedUser99160
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1. I was brought in to co-play JF10 when he decided to quit last night I took over the account as of this morning.
2. I had been in the skype and logging into the account for 4 days so yes I was in the tribe but I was not JF10 per say.
3. I already replied to your request for screen shots but I will do so again. I will not post tribe skype chats as I am only a recent addition to the tribe. If one of the more senior members sees fit to post it that is up to them. I do not see it as within my rights to open that to the public.
Now that I've repeated myself maybe you guys will actually read :icon_rolleyes:
2. I had been in the skype and logging into the account for 4 days so yes I was in the tribe but I was not JF10 per say.
3. I already replied to your request for screen shots but I will do so again. I will not post tribe skype chats as I am only a recent addition to the tribe. If one of the more senior members sees fit to post it that is up to them. I do not see it as within my rights to open that to the public.
Now that I've repeated myself maybe you guys will actually read :icon_rolleyes:
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No, could you repeat that please? I did not quite get it..
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DeletedUser92790
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you have your opinions on ants and i have mine, and theres no changing either of them, and i respect your opinion. I just don't want everyone in the forums to be brainwashed into thinking ants is a power-hungry beast. theres two sides to the arguement
please show me where i said being top 20 makes u a good leader please. id like to see where i said that. And that comment about shahz wasn't pointed to u in particular, but to everyone who thinks he is a bad player still. he's not.
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Thats fine, I respect we have different views. I see him as mad and power hungry, while you see me as that. Its fair you show your opinion on both of us on the externals, then people can agree with whoever they believe in. There would never be any discussion, if there was no disagreements
You might not say directly that, but it sure sounded like the way you put it. Next time remember to get it streight so it cannot be misunderstood. That would really help you bro
Thats fine, I didn't take it personal anyway, but you cannot say it enough times. xshas is not a fool, and you can quote me on that.
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well sorry for making it sound that way and like i said, it wasn't directed to you really, but to everyone
and like i said, it wasn't directed to you really, but to everyoneDeleted User - 4669627
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hmm
sorry to be delayed in replying and to keep you all waiting, i am going to ignore the majority of this thread as a lot of it seems plain silly, but let's address the core issues at play here
The Post...
[spoil]
Basically, Wickerman's claim is this...
I set up a puppet leadership, which then voted against me, then I ignored their vote.
I think, we can all agree that is the claim, even if it does seem contradictory (my puppet leadership voted against me?)?
That contradiction in his story would raise some questions for me. He does not deny that the leadership I appointed voted against me, he claims it himself, then tries to use his admission that I was being outvoted to justify his claim that I still lead and shahz is a puppet?
Very confusing :icon_sad:
Fortunately, not only can I explain what really happened, I can prove it beyond any shadow of any doubt, though I will not be posting anything at all unless Wickerman wishes to refute some aspect of my story, in which case the council has, in Light. of Wicker's actions, given me approval to post anything necessary to set the record straight.
The Story...
[spoil]
The reason Wicker's story is confusing is because he himself was confused when he first told it. He had every reason to be. He was actually gone over the second attack break when Hackster (his co) and I discussed in the council that since no diplomacy existed between our tribes, even if we chose to not declare, our mates could still attack. Hence this bit from Wicker's own post...
[spoil][02:47:46] Wicker: postpone or not striking. I don't see the difference here
[02:47:56] Hackster: There is a subtle difference yes[/spoil]
More contradictions in his own story, but as I said, he was confused, he had every reason to be, he was not present when we discussed that declaring and our mates attacking a tribe we have no diplomacy with are 2 different things.
This very distinction is one I have watched several players make in these very forums just since the time of Wicker posting this thread, which implies that even if Hackster and I had never discussed this in the council chat, it was still a valid point, not a refusal to follow the leadership.
We did discuss it, however, in the council chat which we all can go back and check and screen-shot if need be. Since I asked Hackster recently if he recalled that we had not only discussed this, but were in agreement, and he confirmed it, I would think it would not be denied here and now.
So, basically, we had 2 issues of debate; should we declare? should we allow our mates to attack a tribe we had no diplomacy with?
Wickerman considered the 2 to be the same, at least in this instance. He saw the second vote we took, whether or not to allow our mates to attack, as my refusal to honor the first vote which was only whether or not to declare.
From there, he got the idea that I was still running the tribe, even though he was still in =X when the second vote took place and voted himself, casting the final vote to make a second majority against me.
If I have to provide screen-shots to prove what really happened, those screen shots will show that...
1. His quotes saying I would attack without a declaration were made BEFORE the second vote, not after.
2. In every vote, shahz voted against me.
3. In every vote, I lost unanimously, everybody voted against me.
His failure to be able to provide any quote from me after the second vote in regards to attacking will further prove that I did, in fact, honor the votes.
[02:49:34] xshahzad: Ants can u remove sam
[02:49:37] xshahzad: Please
[02:49:38] Hackster: funny if someone stands up they are quickly remove
[02:49:44] Hackster: BYE
[02:49:45] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Hackster from the conversation. ***
This shows that it was shahz instruction that Hackster be removed. Hackster later admitted he had been trying to "wind me up", this was obviously seriously complicating any ability to reason and he was not actually on the council, but rather the co-player of a Baron. Shahz does not even his own co-player in the council chat. After smaxa and hackster, co-players are not allowed in the council chat under the new leadership.
Obviously, there is new leadership. Obviously, the new leadership is the new leadership. Obviously, I never refused to honor their votes.
Obviously, Wickerman had cause to be confused and misinterpret things when he first posted this thread, but in the time since, it has been explained to him and all evidence has been provided to him in case he lost it when he left. Everybody in the leadership has explained to him that he was mistaken, perhaps even his own co-player.
They had done so, irrefutably, long before all these recent posts insisting his initial claims are, in fact, accurate. We had all hoped, myself included, that Wickerman would simply correct his posts. We are all disappointed that he instead has restated his claims over and over, knowing now that they are, in fact, false. We were all disappointed by his reaction to such a simple misunderstanding. Even if it were not a misunderstanding, had the chat with his co in the council while he was away on break never taken place, even then his reaction to a simple and understandable difference of opinion is shocking to us all. :icon_sad:
Further, wicker is no dummy, so he must understand how easily every word I say can be proven, so we are all confused as to why he continues the charade. If he wishes to be duke of his own tribe, we have no issue with that, but that he claims it is not that, but something entirely false instead that is damaging to us, the mates he left at the first sign of war. :icon_sad:[/spoil]
So where does that leave us?
We are all mates, his mates and =X. We do not wish to fight our mates. We do wish their leadership would stop lying about us before the entire world in an attempt to discredit our leadership and make us all (his mates) look weak, thereby encouraging attacks against us (his mates). We wish he would correct his own account and admit it was a simple mis-understanding rather than perpetuating a fraud that is so easily proven to be exactly that, fraud.
sorry to be delayed in replying and to keep you all waiting, i am going to ignore the majority of this thread as a lot of it seems plain silly, but let's address the core issues at play here
The Post...
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[/spoil]As you all know a leadership change has been made in X= over new year, and we have been apointed a new leader. Our new leader xshahzad is really doing his best to get the tribe running. But with Anthills still in the council, it doesn't seem like much have changed. He is still the guy in charge and controling things, even though he no longer have the power to revoke others powers and kick them from our skype channels, which he did to us and many others in the past, even though we were a part of the council.
Now all the talking about honour and truth that is one of the most common words used about Ants. Here is a quote from his thread where he announced X=
Now after I read this, I don't get he actually acted like he did yesterday towards any of us in the council. A small conversation between, Anthills, Hackster(my co), xshas and me.
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[02:41:23] al haji rasul al masiha: i think you all failed to preapre
[02:41:30] al haji rasul al masiha: i prepared
[02:41:39] Wicker: Whys that
[02:41:39] al haji rasul al masiha: now i have to noble something
[02:41:41] Hackster: that's our faults is it?
[02:41:48] al haji rasul al masiha: that you failed to prepare?
[02:41:50] al haji rasul al masiha: certainly
[02:41:54] al haji rasul al masiha: it is my fault?
[02:42:01] Hackster: how would you know if we were prepared or not?
[02:42:05] Hackster: I feel pretty prepared
[02:42:12] al haji rasul al masiha: i think
[02:42:15] al haji rasul al masiha: omfg
[02:42:16] Wicker: We voted that we didn't want to strike. So because we don't want to strike, it is our fault... I don't get that
[02:42:18] Hackster: got my war face on and everything (envy)
[02:42:22] al haji rasul al masiha: if i have to translate english to enlgish
[02:42:24] al haji rasul al masiha: i am done here
[02:42:30] al haji rasul al masiha: no
[02:42:37] al haji rasul al masiha: We voted that we didn't want to strike
[02:42:40] al haji rasul al masiha: NEVER happened
[02:42:43] Hackster: just did
[02:42:46] al haji rasul al masiha: lie
[02:42:48] al haji rasul al masiha: bullshit
[02:42:52] al haji rasul al masiha: not true
[02:42:55] al haji rasul al masiha: i am done here
[02:43:00] Hackster: [02:37] xshahzad:
<<< xshahzad today at 02:37Quote Edit Delete
Since me, alex and Wicker voted to posbond the decleration so it is decided on majority votes that we would posbond decleration on KP.
[02:43:02] Hackster: BOOM
[02:43:03] *** al haji rasul al masiha has left the conversation ***
[02:43:11] Hackster: well that went well
[02:43:23] Hackster: does that mean Ant is no longer council? (wasntme)
[02:43:28] Wicker: haha
[02:43:47] Wicker: I just saw that coming
[02:44:31] Wicker: We might as well revoke his powers until he is calm, so he wont overreact. Isn't that what he usually does? (smirk)
[02:45:56] *** xshahzad has invited al haji rasul al masiha to this chat ***
[02:46:01] xshahzad: hi
[02:46:06] Wicker: Sup
[02:46:08] al haji rasul al masiha: you are right
i should not have left
i did not lie
wicker did
sam did
[02:46:13] Hackster: (wave)
[02:46:14] al haji rasul al masiha: if you keep lying
[02:46:16] al haji rasul al masiha: i will coup
[02:46:21] Wicker: lying?
[02:46:21] al haji rasul al masiha: you will destroy the tribe
[02:46:23] Wicker: Where di we lie?
[02:46:26] Wicker: did
[02:46:31] al haji rasul al masiha: we will not lie to each other in our council
[02:46:34] al haji rasul al masiha: that is fucking stupid
[02:46:38] Hackster: yes very
[02:46:40] Hackster: I agree
[02:46:45] al haji rasul al masiha: We voted that we didn't want to strike.
[02:46:49] Wicker: I still don't see the part where we lied
[02:46:52] al haji rasul al masiha: NEVER happened
[02:46:56] al haji rasul al masiha: just did
[02:47:07] al haji rasul al masiha: we never took that vote
[02:47:08] Hackster: .... but it kinda did
[02:47:11] Hackster: want me to poste again>
[02:47:12] Wicker: I still don't get it
[02:47:13] al haji rasul al masiha: We voted that we didn't want to strike.
[02:47:19] al haji rasul al masiha: NEVER happened
[02:47:28] al haji rasul al masiha: we voted to postpone the declaration
[02:47:46] Wicker: postpone or not striking. I don't see the difference here
[02:47:56] Hackster: There is a subtle difference yes
[02:47:56] al haji rasul al masiha: there is a huge obvious difference
[02:48:02] al haji rasul al masiha: it was actually explained int he thread
[02:48:07] al haji rasul al masiha: if you do not see the difference
[02:48:10] Hackster: and more to the point Ant knows exactly what you meant anyway
[02:48:10] al haji rasul al masiha: you did not read the thread
[02:48:17] Hackster: if he wants to be anal about it let him
[02:48:20] Hackster: but that is his perogative
[02:48:32] Wicker: I
[02:48:32] al haji rasul al masiha: why are you tring to start shit sam?
[02:48:38] al haji rasul al masiha: let's discus that first
[02:48:42] Wicker: im pretty sure everyone knew what I meant
[02:48:42] Hackster: I'm not I'm finishing shit
[02:48:45] al haji rasul al masiha: because your shit is stopping all our real debate
[02:48:52] Hackster: I'm tired of it and it's about time someone said something
[02:48:53] xshahzad: sam sorry man u r not in the council
[02:48:57] Hackster:
[02:49:05] Hackster: is that because ant asked you to remove me
[02:49:09] Hackster: fine shah
[02:49:09] al haji rasul al masiha: no
[02:49:12] xshahzad: and i would remove you from the council chat
[02:49:13] al haji rasul al masiha: it is because you never were
[02:49:18] Hackster: really
[02:49:23 | Redigerede 02:49:30] al haji rasul al masiha: you are a co=player of a baron
[02:49:27] Hackster: well I have been put in here by your choice
[02:49:31] Hackster: you didn't have to include me
[02:49:34] xshahzad: Ants can u remove sam
[02:49:37] xshahzad: Please
[02:49:38] Hackster: funny if someone stands up they are quickly remove
[02:49:44] Hackster: BYE
[02:49:45] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Hackster from the conversation. ***
[/spoil]
And a bit later he said this, even though we just voted not to strike yet.
[spoil]
[02:54:40] al haji rasul al masiha: postpone or not striking. I don't see the difference here
[02:54:46] al haji rasul al masiha: the difference is this
[02:54:52] al haji rasul al masiha: my team plans to attack
[02:55:00] al haji rasul al masiha: with or without a declaration
[/spoil]
So where is the truth and honour he has been speaking about all the time? Even though he is not the duke anymore, he is still the one running the show. xshahzad is just sitting back and letting him run, and agreeing with everything that is being said from Ants (mostly).
=X has the same leader as before new year, now he just run the tribe through his puppet xshahzad. No offense towards xsahzad, but your voice as a leader is just not big enough to be running the show, when you have a guy like Ants in your back.
I am sorry to leave all of you amazing =X players behind, but I simply don't believe in this tribe anymore. Now you can hate me if you like, but the truth is =X will never win anything with Ants in the council of a tribe. I've been here for almost 2 months now, and nothing has improved since I've joined.
As I told you earlier, I will now introduce our new tribe. We believe in a tribe, where everyone is free to say what they believe in, and don't get flamed for having another opinion than their duke. We will start out small, and work our way up and see where it bring us all.
The tribe will be lead by Hackster and myself, and then we might add up a council later if it is required.
Thanks for the read, and good luck to =X without me.
Basically, Wickerman's claim is this...
I set up a puppet leadership, which then voted against me, then I ignored their vote.
I think, we can all agree that is the claim, even if it does seem contradictory (my puppet leadership voted against me?)?
That contradiction in his story would raise some questions for me. He does not deny that the leadership I appointed voted against me, he claims it himself, then tries to use his admission that I was being outvoted to justify his claim that I still lead and shahz is a puppet?
Very confusing :icon_sad:
Fortunately, not only can I explain what really happened, I can prove it beyond any shadow of any doubt, though I will not be posting anything at all unless Wickerman wishes to refute some aspect of my story, in which case the council has, in Light. of Wicker's actions, given me approval to post anything necessary to set the record straight.
The Story...
[spoil]
The reason Wicker's story is confusing is because he himself was confused when he first told it. He had every reason to be. He was actually gone over the second attack break when Hackster (his co) and I discussed in the council that since no diplomacy existed between our tribes, even if we chose to not declare, our mates could still attack. Hence this bit from Wicker's own post...
[spoil][02:47:46] Wicker: postpone or not striking. I don't see the difference here
[02:47:56] Hackster: There is a subtle difference yes[/spoil]
More contradictions in his own story, but as I said, he was confused, he had every reason to be, he was not present when we discussed that declaring and our mates attacking a tribe we have no diplomacy with are 2 different things.
This very distinction is one I have watched several players make in these very forums just since the time of Wicker posting this thread, which implies that even if Hackster and I had never discussed this in the council chat, it was still a valid point, not a refusal to follow the leadership.
We did discuss it, however, in the council chat which we all can go back and check and screen-shot if need be. Since I asked Hackster recently if he recalled that we had not only discussed this, but were in agreement, and he confirmed it, I would think it would not be denied here and now.
So, basically, we had 2 issues of debate; should we declare? should we allow our mates to attack a tribe we had no diplomacy with?
Wickerman considered the 2 to be the same, at least in this instance. He saw the second vote we took, whether or not to allow our mates to attack, as my refusal to honor the first vote which was only whether or not to declare.
From there, he got the idea that I was still running the tribe, even though he was still in =X when the second vote took place and voted himself, casting the final vote to make a second majority against me.
If I have to provide screen-shots to prove what really happened, those screen shots will show that...
1. His quotes saying I would attack without a declaration were made BEFORE the second vote, not after.
2. In every vote, shahz voted against me.
3. In every vote, I lost unanimously, everybody voted against me.
His failure to be able to provide any quote from me after the second vote in regards to attacking will further prove that I did, in fact, honor the votes.
[02:49:34] xshahzad: Ants can u remove sam
[02:49:37] xshahzad: Please
[02:49:38] Hackster: funny if someone stands up they are quickly remove
[02:49:44] Hackster: BYE
[02:49:45] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Hackster from the conversation. ***
This shows that it was shahz instruction that Hackster be removed. Hackster later admitted he had been trying to "wind me up", this was obviously seriously complicating any ability to reason and he was not actually on the council, but rather the co-player of a Baron. Shahz does not even his own co-player in the council chat. After smaxa and hackster, co-players are not allowed in the council chat under the new leadership.
Obviously, there is new leadership. Obviously, the new leadership is the new leadership. Obviously, I never refused to honor their votes.
Obviously, Wickerman had cause to be confused and misinterpret things when he first posted this thread, but in the time since, it has been explained to him and all evidence has been provided to him in case he lost it when he left. Everybody in the leadership has explained to him that he was mistaken, perhaps even his own co-player.
They had done so, irrefutably, long before all these recent posts insisting his initial claims are, in fact, accurate. We had all hoped, myself included, that Wickerman would simply correct his posts. We are all disappointed that he instead has restated his claims over and over, knowing now that they are, in fact, false. We were all disappointed by his reaction to such a simple misunderstanding. Even if it were not a misunderstanding, had the chat with his co in the council while he was away on break never taken place, even then his reaction to a simple and understandable difference of opinion is shocking to us all. :icon_sad:
Further, wicker is no dummy, so he must understand how easily every word I say can be proven, so we are all confused as to why he continues the charade. If he wishes to be duke of his own tribe, we have no issue with that, but that he claims it is not that, but something entirely false instead that is damaging to us, the mates he left at the first sign of war. :icon_sad:[/spoil]
So where does that leave us?
We are all mates, his mates and =X. We do not wish to fight our mates. We do wish their leadership would stop lying about us before the entire world in an attempt to discredit our leadership and make us all (his mates) look weak, thereby encouraging attacks against us (his mates). We wish he would correct his own account and admit it was a simple mis-understanding rather than perpetuating a fraud that is so easily proven to be exactly that, fraud.
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think you'll find you are confused
i was the entirety of the old leadership, i was most certainly not against me, though i did oust me, you are correct there :lol:
no, he is talking about the new leadership when he says...
1. they were my puppets
2. they voted against me
as contradictory as that is, he was talking about the same leadership in both of those statements
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I will agree with you there. He has certainly learned since the W56.
Maybe the next step is a strong leadership from him. I will say he is one of the very few players who will take time to learn stuff. I'm sure we have not seen the last of him by a long shot.
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ok my mistake, i was under the impression there was a council or something even while you were in charge?? if not then never mind
no worries mate, everybody makes mistakes, that is no reflection of character. the reflection on character is whether we correct our mis-understandings, as you have. respect for that.
http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=240909
click the Leadership spoiler for confirmation
Leadership :lol:
[spoil]If I want to be part of a tribe that is a strong contender to win their world AND whose honorable reputation is beyond question, then I need to first build it. Within two months, I expect to step down.
Till the appointed hour, leadership is very simple, it is me. :icon_redface:
I will have a Council, of course, but will consider them my Counsel. They will have Baron privs, so as to better manage account-sitting (see below), as well as to address other responsibilities I delegate to them.
The next leader could be anybody in the tribe, but there will be no election, whoever should lead will. :icon_idea:[/spoil]
speaking of which, i would think this thread is confirmation, not that a mistake was made in choosing our new leadership, but that i made no mistake when i appointed shahz as duke.
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Well obviously my post did show, that you wanted to attack KP even though we voted against you. You clearly said
[02:54:46] al haji rasul al masiha: the difference is this
[02:54:52] al haji rasul al masiha: my team plans to attack
[02:55:00] al haji rasul al masiha: with or without a declaration
I am sure everyone can read this, and that this cannot be missunderstood in any way. So now when this is out in the public your trying to deny you wanted to attack. I know you didn't attack, but that is not the issue here. You said you wanted to attack, even though the rest of the council voted against you. Is that respecting a council? I think not.
Here is some old quotes from when you were still duke as well, and you were running the show. I don't see the difference from back then and then when we had a new leader. You did what you wanted to do... And then the respect you show towards others. Its just....
First a talk with xshas, who is the leader now.
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[17-12-2011 11:43:03] Wicker: Am I not allowed to invite players in my own area anymore without asking for premission?
[17-12-2011 11:43:36] xshahzad: I do not know
[17-12-2011 11:44:02] xshahzad: I have been removed from council 2-3 times before the world started
[17-12-2011 11:44:22] Wicker: If thats how it is, I will leave and take everyone from K62 with me
[17-12-2011 11:44:43] xshahzad: thats not how it is
[17-12-2011 11:45:00] Wicker: Then he better fix this as soon as possible
[17-12-2011 11:45:03] xshahzad: haji must be a bit angry that u did not discussed it
[17-12-2011 11:45:07] Wicker: We lost 4 guys in K62
[17-12-2011 11:45:11] Wicker: And I invite 1 new replacement
[17-12-2011 11:45:46] xshahzad: I think the only thing he is angry with is you did not discussed
[17-12-2011 11:45:49] Wicker: What is there to discuss?
[17-12-2011 11:46:09] Wicker: He isn't in K62, so why should he know who is worth inviting and who isn't down here
[17-12-2011 11:54:22] xshahzad: Oct 31
16:23 Anthills changed the privileges and title of xshahzad.
[17-12-2011 11:54:58] Wicker: That is just lack of respect, if he don't even trust our jugdement
[17-12-2011 11:58:36] xshahzad: [10. oktober 2011 20:44] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[31. oktober 2011 16:23] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[20. november 2011 09:00] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 00:03] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 01:20] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.
[17-12-2011 11:58:49] xshahzad: i was removed 5 times
[17-12-2011 12:00:37] xshahzad: you were placed here for merger discussion
[17-12-2011 12:01:02] xshahzad: I know
[17-12-2011 12:01:13] xshahzad: most people would have
[17-12-2011 12:01:27] xshahzad: but i know their is no one like Haji
[17-12-2011 12:01:36] xshahzad: he is a true person
[17-12-2011 12:01:59] Wicker: I still don't agree with the way he handle things
[17-12-2011 12:02:40] Wicker: Just removing powers because he don't agree
[17-12-2011 12:02:44] Wicker: That is just childish
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Then Ant's logged on and took care of things, his own way.
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[17-12-2011 14:41:40] al haji rasul al masiha: I do not know???/
[17-12-2011 14:41:46] al haji rasul al masiha: excuse me
[17-12-2011 14:41:52] al haji rasul al masiha: how is there any question at all?
[17-12-2011 14:41:59] al haji rasul al masiha: how can either of you be unsure
[17-12-2011 14:42:00] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[17-12-2011 14:42:07] al haji rasul al masiha: how is that even possible?
[17-12-2011 14:42:20] al haji rasul al masiha: I am not asking anyone who the hell I am inviting in my areac-ya
[17-12-2011 14:42:24] al haji rasul al masiha: (wave)
[17-12-2011 14:42:27] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Wicker from this conversation. ***
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Really the right way to handle things, don't you think?
Here is a goodie from yesterday:
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[05-01-2012 22:05:33] steve blunt AkA Virus: Ant read your mail
[05-01-2012 22:05:41] al haji rasul al masiha: steve
[05-01-2012 22:05:44] al haji rasul al masiha: eneough
[05-01-2012 22:05:46] steve blunt AkA Virus: What
[05-01-2012 22:06:05] steve blunt AkA Virus: I have a point to get accross
[05-01-2012 22:11:08] al haji rasul al masiha: everybody in this chat but you
[05-01-2012 22:11:11] al haji rasul al masiha: all the rest of us
[05-01-2012 22:11:13] al haji rasul al masiha: are at war
[05-01-2012 22:11:28] al haji rasul al masiha: we are discussing war
[05-01-2012 22:11:31] al haji rasul al masiha: not your farming
Yes but if you have a point with me follow it fru
[05-01-2012 22:11:38] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not even logged in
[05-01-2012 22:11:44] al haji rasul al masiha: you saw me post that
[05-01-2012 22:11:48] al haji rasul al masiha: i will read your mail when i have time
[05-01-2012 22:11:52] al haji rasul al masiha: it could be 3 days from now
[05-01-2012 22:12:00] al haji rasul al masiha: it will not be anytime remotely soon
[05-01-2012 22:12:11] steve blunt AkA Virus: Yea so that proves my point....
[05-01-2012 22:12:17] al haji rasul al masiha: idc what is your point
[05-01-2012 22:12:20] al haji rasul al masiha: if you are not happy
[05-01-2012 22:12:22] al haji rasul al masiha: please leave
[05-01-2012 22:12:28 | Redigerede 22:12:37] al haji rasul al masiha: you are disruppting the whole tribe now
This keeps going for a while, and finally
[05-01-2012 22:14:49] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed steve blunt AkA Virus from the conversation. ***
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I have many more, and I am happy to post every single one of them, but I don't feel like posting all I have in one post, as it might get boring to read.
Now to my point for leaving
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[03-01-2012 22:29:01] Wicker: Well, this has nothing to do with sam was removed yesterday
[03-01-2012 22:29:05] Wicker: Everything was planned there already
[03-01-2012 22:29:17] xshahzad: ok
[03-01-2012 22:29:27] Wicker: We just needed a moment to do the last preparations
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This should be pretty clear to everyone, that we did plan to leave this tribe even before our little chat yesterday where Hackster got removed from the chat. In general our main reason for leaving was the fact that Ant's behaviour towards others are unacceptable, and he is still running the tribe. We had discussed this for some days, and we finally got it confirmed.
Now lets see what happened after we splitted.
Alex(powendu is his ingame name) and I was sitting and speaking about diplomatic relations to other tribes as always, when I told him I got something coming up for the tribe very soon. He was very curious, but I didn't want to tell him before the time was right. Here is what happened in the last moments. Remember Alex was ex SWARM leader and a part of the council and had just as much power as me and Ant's.
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[03:15:42] Wicker: [03-01-2012 22:03:45] Alex Meyer: its up to us!!
[03-01-2012 22:03:47] Alex Meyer: please do tell
[03-01-2012 22:04:11] Wicker: Alright mate
[03-01-2012 22:04:15] Wicker: Now its official
[03-01-2012 22:04:17] Wicker: Here it is
[03-01-2012 22:04:19] Wicker: My newest pnp
[03-01-2012 22:04:24] Wicker: http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?p=6377793#post6377793
[03-01-2012 22:04:45] Wicker: Was nice playing with you, but I have much bigger plans than being a puppet of Ant
[03-01-2012 22:08:48] Alex Meyer: I likey
[03-01-2012 22:09:04] Alex Meyer: So should I submit my application now.....
[03-01-2012 22:09:06] Alex Meyer: Or later?
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Remember that Alex's old tribe mates did whatever he told him to do. So they all moved over, or at least most of them, we didn't get to complete our merge(or what you prefer to call this).
Alex wanted the best for the tribe, and he did try to convince us to go back together again. He decided to speak with Ant's to find a solution, not xshas our leader who should know what to do, but Ant's...(strange you speak with the guy not in charge huh? Guess he is still running the tribe as far as I can see it).
Here is what he spoke with Ant's about in private, sadly I don't have the conversation between Ant's and Alex, so we have to trust what Alex is telling us now.
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[05-01-2012 00:54:34] Alex Meyer: I do not know how to put this without me getting bitched at
[05-01-2012 00:54:38] Alex Meyer: hahaha it is going somewhere good
[05-01-2012 00:54:41] Alex Meyer: overall
[05-01-2012 00:54:48] Alex Meyer: idk how u will take to it
[05-01-2012 00:54:55] Alex Meyer: ants has realized how much of an ass he
[05-01-2012 00:54:58] Alex Meyer: is
[05-01-2012 00:55:11] Alex Meyer: He still says he does not wish to lead (What?? Again confirmed he is leading, look at the date 5th January)
[05-01-2012 00:55:14] Wicker: I don't believe it
[05-01-2012 00:55:20] Alex Meyer: so after a hour long convo with him
[05-01-2012 00:55:25] Alex Meyer: about trying to fix things
[05-01-2012 00:55:38] Alex Meyer: he has agreed to compromise with wicker
[05-01-2012 00:55:48] Alex Meyer: aka u 2
[05-01-2012 00:55:56] Alex Meyer: he has agreed
[05-01-2012 00:56:00] Alex Meyer: to step down from counci
[05-01-2012 00:56:16] Alex Meyer: I told him people cannot deal with him being as bossy as he is etc
[05-01-2012 00:56:29] Alex Meyer: he does not want to lead
[05-01-2012 00:57:36] Wicker: Why would he suddenly turn around like this
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Alex Meyer: He sees how many mates he will be losing
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Hackster: he knows he is in trouble?
[05-01-2012 00:57:55] Alex Meyer: he inderstand we are being split
[05-01-2012 00:58:00] Alex Meyer: fact of it is
[05-01-2012 00:58:01] Wicker: He said if people don't like it, we can get the f*** out
[05-01-2012 00:58:07] Wicker: Even if only him and xshas is left
[05-01-2012 01:00:58] Hackster: Alex we can't go back
[05-01-2012 01:01:02] Alex Meyer: because?
[05-01-2012 01:01:08] Alex Meyer: Ants will not be a leader
[05-01-2012 01:01:16] Hackster: that wasn't ever the problem
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Alex Meyer: I have, in typing, his agreement to step down
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Hackster: his influence over Shah is still there
[05-01-2012 01:02:00] Alex Meyer: shah did agree with us on the 3 votes that have taken place thus far has he not?
[05-01-2012 01:02:07] Wicker: This isn't exactly first time we broke out of the tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:13] Alex Meyer: I know it isn't
[05-01-2012 01:02:34] Wicker: you name any tribe. They all see =X as a dead tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:49] Wicker: Because of how Ants made them look
[05-01-2012 01:02:56] Wicker: And all the hate we got already
[05-01-2012 01:03:02] Alex Meyer: it will no longer appear that way
[05-01-2012 01:03:07] Wicker: It will
[05-01-2012 01:03:17] Wicker: Everyone know how Ants is
[05-01-2012 01:03:22] Alex Meyer: Yes
[05-01-2012 01:03:23] Alex Meyer: We all do
[05-01-2012 01:03:32] Alex Meyer: He knows how he is like
[05-01-2012 01:03:55] Wicker: Then he sohuld have thought about that maybe a bit earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:01] Alex Meyer: which majority vote would be me and u
[05-01-2012 01:04:05] Alex Meyer: regardless of what shah thinks
[05-01-2012 01:04:22] Alex Meyer: I am not saying maybe he shouldn't have realized it earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:31] Alex Meyer: I don't like his bitching and being an ass anymore than u do
[05-01-2012 01:04:44] Wicker: If he knew he had a problem, he should have changed his way of acting towards others
[05-01-2012 01:05:08] Wicker: Yesterday when only a few had left he was still cocky
[05-01-2012 01:05:26] Alex Meyer: because he did not know everyone we had lined up
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Wicker: His cockyness is running out as the members in his tribe
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Alex Meyer: I told him many are lined up to lead
[05-01-2012 01:05:45] Alex Meyer: so maybe it took this event to put him back in his place
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Hackster: so now we have to come sulking back because we are happy Ant has mended his ways?
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Wicker: I still don't believe him
[05-01-2012 01:06:23] Alex Meyer: don't come sulking back
[05-01-2012 01:06:31] Alex Meyer: ants wants u on council
[05-01-2012 01:06:37] Alex Meyer: he said that before I even mentioned it
[05-01-2012 01:07:02] Hackster: This just prooves Ant was not right to be in command and did not do the best for =X
[05-01-2012 01:07:11] Hackster: we are going back to fix his problems?
[05-01-2012 01:07:13] Hackster: why?
[05-01-2012 01:07:17] Alex Meyer: I am not argueing with that point
[05-01-2012 01:07:29] Alex Meyer: I did not like ants on council or leading
[05-01-2012 01:07:30] Hackster: what are we saying?
[05-01-2012 01:07:32] Alex Meyer: no one did
[05-01-2012 01:08:48] Alex Meyer: ants himself said that it was a misunderstanding on both parties
[05-01-2012 01:08:54] Alex Meyer: and that is why this happened
[05-01-2012 01:09:00] Alex Meyer: ants is admitting he is not right
[05-01-2012 01:09:15] Alex Meyer: I had a 3 hour convo with him last night
[05-01-2012 01:09:18] Alex Meyer: an hour convo with him just now
[05-01-2012 01:09:27] Alex Meyer: he has his tail inbetween his legs
[05-01-2012 01:09:35] Wicker: Misunderstanding? I don't see how this can be a misunderstanding. He is acting like a kid, and expect people to take his behaviour
[05-01-2012 01:09:54] Alex Meyer: He is done with that now
[05-01-2012 01:11:40] Hackster: Alex are you saying you won't be coming over?
[05-01-2012 01:11:46] Hackster: because that'd be a shame mate
[05-01-2012 01:11:53] Alex Meyer: I am sitting on the fence right now
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: ok
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: we won't push you then
[05-01-2012 01:12:35] Wicker: He also realized it last time when he kicked me
[05-01-2012 01:12:39] Wicker: But what happened?
[05-01-2012 01:12:44] Wicker: The same thing
[05-01-2012 01:12:47] Wicker: Just 2 months later
[05-01-2012 01:12:55] Hackster: Alex we still want to work with =X
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I really did consider if he had changed his mind. But that was shot down right the next morning when I logged on.
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[05-01-2012 10:24:42] al haji rasul al masiha: i guess your plan failed
[05-01-2012 10:24:54] al haji rasul al masiha: and all you did was rob us of players who would support
[05-01-2012 10:25:00] al haji rasul al masiha: and bail on your mates in time of war
[05-01-2012 10:25:04] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[05-01-2012 10:26:05] al haji rasul al masiha: i see some are actually true to their mates and have come back
[05-01-2012 10:26:56] al haji rasul al masiha: i see you never corrected info you KNEW to be false in your forum post
[05-01-2012 10:27:10] al haji rasul al masiha: i see no indication that you are trying to help us
[05-01-2012 10:27:11] al haji rasul al masiha: maybe
[05-01-2012 10:27:17] al haji rasul al masiha: they are attacking us because of you?
[05-01-2012 10:27:35] al haji rasul al masiha: i see every indication that you are lying about us
[05-01-2012 10:27:45] al haji rasul al masiha: to the entire world
[05-01-2012 10:27:56] al haji rasul al masiha: so why not lie to us?
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So the new Ant's did last more than a few hours. What a shame I would have loved to meet him.
I am sorry for the long post, and lack of screenshots. If you don't believe this I can easily make you some screenshots of every conversation I shown all of you here.
[02:54:46] al haji rasul al masiha: the difference is this
[02:54:52] al haji rasul al masiha: my team plans to attack
[02:55:00] al haji rasul al masiha: with or without a declaration
I am sure everyone can read this, and that this cannot be missunderstood in any way. So now when this is out in the public your trying to deny you wanted to attack. I know you didn't attack, but that is not the issue here. You said you wanted to attack, even though the rest of the council voted against you. Is that respecting a council? I think not.
Here is some old quotes from when you were still duke as well, and you were running the show. I don't see the difference from back then and then when we had a new leader. You did what you wanted to do... And then the respect you show towards others. Its just....
First a talk with xshas, who is the leader now.
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[17-12-2011 11:43:03] Wicker: Am I not allowed to invite players in my own area anymore without asking for premission?
[17-12-2011 11:43:36] xshahzad: I do not know
[17-12-2011 11:44:02] xshahzad: I have been removed from council 2-3 times before the world started
[17-12-2011 11:44:22] Wicker: If thats how it is, I will leave and take everyone from K62 with me
[17-12-2011 11:44:43] xshahzad: thats not how it is
[17-12-2011 11:45:00] Wicker: Then he better fix this as soon as possible
[17-12-2011 11:45:03] xshahzad: haji must be a bit angry that u did not discussed it
[17-12-2011 11:45:07] Wicker: We lost 4 guys in K62
[17-12-2011 11:45:11] Wicker: And I invite 1 new replacement
[17-12-2011 11:45:46] xshahzad: I think the only thing he is angry with is you did not discussed
[17-12-2011 11:45:49] Wicker: What is there to discuss?
[17-12-2011 11:46:09] Wicker: He isn't in K62, so why should he know who is worth inviting and who isn't down here
[17-12-2011 11:54:22] xshahzad: Oct 31
16:23 Anthills changed the privileges and title of xshahzad.
[17-12-2011 11:54:58] Wicker: That is just lack of respect, if he don't even trust our jugdement
[17-12-2011 11:58:36] xshahzad: [10. oktober 2011 20:44] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[31. oktober 2011 16:23] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[20. november 2011 09:00] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 00:03] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 01:20] al haji rasul al masiha:
<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.
[17-12-2011 11:58:49] xshahzad: i was removed 5 times
[17-12-2011 12:00:37] xshahzad: you were placed here for merger discussion
[17-12-2011 12:01:02] xshahzad: I know
[17-12-2011 12:01:13] xshahzad: most people would have
[17-12-2011 12:01:27] xshahzad: but i know their is no one like Haji
[17-12-2011 12:01:36] xshahzad: he is a true person
[17-12-2011 12:01:59] Wicker: I still don't agree with the way he handle things
[17-12-2011 12:02:40] Wicker: Just removing powers because he don't agree
[17-12-2011 12:02:44] Wicker: That is just childish
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Then Ant's logged on and took care of things, his own way.
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[17-12-2011 14:41:40] al haji rasul al masiha: I do not know???/
[17-12-2011 14:41:46] al haji rasul al masiha: excuse me
[17-12-2011 14:41:52] al haji rasul al masiha: how is there any question at all?
[17-12-2011 14:41:59] al haji rasul al masiha: how can either of you be unsure
[17-12-2011 14:42:00] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[17-12-2011 14:42:07] al haji rasul al masiha: how is that even possible?
[17-12-2011 14:42:20] al haji rasul al masiha: I am not asking anyone who the hell I am inviting in my areac-ya
[17-12-2011 14:42:24] al haji rasul al masiha: (wave)
[17-12-2011 14:42:27] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Wicker from this conversation. ***
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Really the right way to handle things, don't you think?
Here is a goodie from yesterday:
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[05-01-2012 22:05:33] steve blunt AkA Virus: Ant read your mail
[05-01-2012 22:05:41] al haji rasul al masiha: steve
[05-01-2012 22:05:44] al haji rasul al masiha: eneough
[05-01-2012 22:05:46] steve blunt AkA Virus: What
[05-01-2012 22:06:05] steve blunt AkA Virus: I have a point to get accross
[05-01-2012 22:11:08] al haji rasul al masiha: everybody in this chat but you
[05-01-2012 22:11:11] al haji rasul al masiha: all the rest of us
[05-01-2012 22:11:13] al haji rasul al masiha: are at war
[05-01-2012 22:11:28] al haji rasul al masiha: we are discussing war
[05-01-2012 22:11:31] al haji rasul al masiha: not your farming
Yes but if you have a point with me follow it fru
[05-01-2012 22:11:38] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not even logged in
[05-01-2012 22:11:44] al haji rasul al masiha: you saw me post that
[05-01-2012 22:11:48] al haji rasul al masiha: i will read your mail when i have time
[05-01-2012 22:11:52] al haji rasul al masiha: it could be 3 days from now
[05-01-2012 22:12:00] al haji rasul al masiha: it will not be anytime remotely soon
[05-01-2012 22:12:11] steve blunt AkA Virus: Yea so that proves my point....
[05-01-2012 22:12:17] al haji rasul al masiha: idc what is your point
[05-01-2012 22:12:20] al haji rasul al masiha: if you are not happy
[05-01-2012 22:12:22] al haji rasul al masiha: please leave
[05-01-2012 22:12:28 | Redigerede 22:12:37] al haji rasul al masiha: you are disruppting the whole tribe now
This keeps going for a while, and finally
[05-01-2012 22:14:49] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed steve blunt AkA Virus from the conversation. ***
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I have many more, and I am happy to post every single one of them, but I don't feel like posting all I have in one post, as it might get boring to read.
Now to my point for leaving
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[03-01-2012 22:29:01] Wicker: Well, this has nothing to do with sam was removed yesterday
[03-01-2012 22:29:05] Wicker: Everything was planned there already
[03-01-2012 22:29:17] xshahzad: ok
[03-01-2012 22:29:27] Wicker: We just needed a moment to do the last preparations
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This should be pretty clear to everyone, that we did plan to leave this tribe even before our little chat yesterday where Hackster got removed from the chat. In general our main reason for leaving was the fact that Ant's behaviour towards others are unacceptable, and he is still running the tribe. We had discussed this for some days, and we finally got it confirmed.
Now lets see what happened after we splitted.
Alex(powendu is his ingame name) and I was sitting and speaking about diplomatic relations to other tribes as always, when I told him I got something coming up for the tribe very soon. He was very curious, but I didn't want to tell him before the time was right. Here is what happened in the last moments. Remember Alex was ex SWARM leader and a part of the council and had just as much power as me and Ant's.
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[03:15:42] Wicker: [03-01-2012 22:03:45] Alex Meyer: its up to us!!
[03-01-2012 22:03:47] Alex Meyer: please do tell
[03-01-2012 22:04:11] Wicker: Alright mate
[03-01-2012 22:04:15] Wicker: Now its official
[03-01-2012 22:04:17] Wicker: Here it is
[03-01-2012 22:04:19] Wicker: My newest pnp
[03-01-2012 22:04:24] Wicker: http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?p=6377793#post6377793
[03-01-2012 22:04:45] Wicker: Was nice playing with you, but I have much bigger plans than being a puppet of Ant
[03-01-2012 22:08:48] Alex Meyer: I likey
[03-01-2012 22:09:04] Alex Meyer: So should I submit my application now.....
[03-01-2012 22:09:06] Alex Meyer: Or later?
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Remember that Alex's old tribe mates did whatever he told him to do. So they all moved over, or at least most of them, we didn't get to complete our merge(or what you prefer to call this).
Alex wanted the best for the tribe, and he did try to convince us to go back together again. He decided to speak with Ant's to find a solution, not xshas our leader who should know what to do, but Ant's...(strange you speak with the guy not in charge huh? Guess he is still running the tribe as far as I can see it).
Here is what he spoke with Ant's about in private, sadly I don't have the conversation between Ant's and Alex, so we have to trust what Alex is telling us now.
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[05-01-2012 00:54:34] Alex Meyer: I do not know how to put this without me getting bitched at
[05-01-2012 00:54:38] Alex Meyer: hahaha it is going somewhere good
[05-01-2012 00:54:41] Alex Meyer: overall
[05-01-2012 00:54:48] Alex Meyer: idk how u will take to it
[05-01-2012 00:54:55] Alex Meyer: ants has realized how much of an ass he
[05-01-2012 00:54:58] Alex Meyer: is
[05-01-2012 00:55:11] Alex Meyer: He still says he does not wish to lead (What?? Again confirmed he is leading, look at the date 5th January)
[05-01-2012 00:55:14] Wicker: I don't believe it
[05-01-2012 00:55:20] Alex Meyer: so after a hour long convo with him
[05-01-2012 00:55:25] Alex Meyer: about trying to fix things
[05-01-2012 00:55:38] Alex Meyer: he has agreed to compromise with wicker
[05-01-2012 00:55:48] Alex Meyer: aka u 2
[05-01-2012 00:55:56] Alex Meyer: he has agreed
[05-01-2012 00:56:00] Alex Meyer: to step down from counci
[05-01-2012 00:56:16] Alex Meyer: I told him people cannot deal with him being as bossy as he is etc
[05-01-2012 00:56:29] Alex Meyer: he does not want to lead
[05-01-2012 00:57:36] Wicker: Why would he suddenly turn around like this
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Alex Meyer: He sees how many mates he will be losing
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Hackster: he knows he is in trouble?
[05-01-2012 00:57:55] Alex Meyer: he inderstand we are being split
[05-01-2012 00:58:00] Alex Meyer: fact of it is
[05-01-2012 00:58:01] Wicker: He said if people don't like it, we can get the f*** out
[05-01-2012 00:58:07] Wicker: Even if only him and xshas is left
[05-01-2012 01:00:58] Hackster: Alex we can't go back
[05-01-2012 01:01:02] Alex Meyer: because?
[05-01-2012 01:01:08] Alex Meyer: Ants will not be a leader
[05-01-2012 01:01:16] Hackster: that wasn't ever the problem
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Alex Meyer: I have, in typing, his agreement to step down
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Hackster: his influence over Shah is still there
[05-01-2012 01:02:00] Alex Meyer: shah did agree with us on the 3 votes that have taken place thus far has he not?
[05-01-2012 01:02:07] Wicker: This isn't exactly first time we broke out of the tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:13] Alex Meyer: I know it isn't
[05-01-2012 01:02:34] Wicker: you name any tribe. They all see =X as a dead tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:49] Wicker: Because of how Ants made them look
[05-01-2012 01:02:56] Wicker: And all the hate we got already
[05-01-2012 01:03:02] Alex Meyer: it will no longer appear that way
[05-01-2012 01:03:07] Wicker: It will
[05-01-2012 01:03:17] Wicker: Everyone know how Ants is
[05-01-2012 01:03:22] Alex Meyer: Yes
[05-01-2012 01:03:23] Alex Meyer: We all do
[05-01-2012 01:03:32] Alex Meyer: He knows how he is like
[05-01-2012 01:03:55] Wicker: Then he sohuld have thought about that maybe a bit earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:01] Alex Meyer: which majority vote would be me and u
[05-01-2012 01:04:05] Alex Meyer: regardless of what shah thinks
[05-01-2012 01:04:22] Alex Meyer: I am not saying maybe he shouldn't have realized it earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:31] Alex Meyer: I don't like his bitching and being an ass anymore than u do
[05-01-2012 01:04:44] Wicker: If he knew he had a problem, he should have changed his way of acting towards others
[05-01-2012 01:05:08] Wicker: Yesterday when only a few had left he was still cocky
[05-01-2012 01:05:26] Alex Meyer: because he did not know everyone we had lined up
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Wicker: His cockyness is running out as the members in his tribe
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Alex Meyer: I told him many are lined up to lead
[05-01-2012 01:05:45] Alex Meyer: so maybe it took this event to put him back in his place
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Hackster: so now we have to come sulking back because we are happy Ant has mended his ways?
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Wicker: I still don't believe him
[05-01-2012 01:06:23] Alex Meyer: don't come sulking back
[05-01-2012 01:06:31] Alex Meyer: ants wants u on council
[05-01-2012 01:06:37] Alex Meyer: he said that before I even mentioned it
[05-01-2012 01:07:02] Hackster: This just prooves Ant was not right to be in command and did not do the best for =X
[05-01-2012 01:07:11] Hackster: we are going back to fix his problems?
[05-01-2012 01:07:13] Hackster: why?
[05-01-2012 01:07:17] Alex Meyer: I am not argueing with that point
[05-01-2012 01:07:29] Alex Meyer: I did not like ants on council or leading
[05-01-2012 01:07:30] Hackster: what are we saying?
[05-01-2012 01:07:32] Alex Meyer: no one did
[05-01-2012 01:08:48] Alex Meyer: ants himself said that it was a misunderstanding on both parties
[05-01-2012 01:08:54] Alex Meyer: and that is why this happened
[05-01-2012 01:09:00] Alex Meyer: ants is admitting he is not right
[05-01-2012 01:09:15] Alex Meyer: I had a 3 hour convo with him last night
[05-01-2012 01:09:18] Alex Meyer: an hour convo with him just now
[05-01-2012 01:09:27] Alex Meyer: he has his tail inbetween his legs
[05-01-2012 01:09:35] Wicker: Misunderstanding? I don't see how this can be a misunderstanding. He is acting like a kid, and expect people to take his behaviour
[05-01-2012 01:09:54] Alex Meyer: He is done with that now
[05-01-2012 01:11:40] Hackster: Alex are you saying you won't be coming over?
[05-01-2012 01:11:46] Hackster: because that'd be a shame mate
[05-01-2012 01:11:53] Alex Meyer: I am sitting on the fence right now
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: ok
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: we won't push you then
[05-01-2012 01:12:35] Wicker: He also realized it last time when he kicked me
[05-01-2012 01:12:39] Wicker: But what happened?
[05-01-2012 01:12:44] Wicker: The same thing
[05-01-2012 01:12:47] Wicker: Just 2 months later
[05-01-2012 01:12:55] Hackster: Alex we still want to work with =X
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I really did consider if he had changed his mind. But that was shot down right the next morning when I logged on.
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[05-01-2012 10:24:42] al haji rasul al masiha: i guess your plan failed
[05-01-2012 10:24:54] al haji rasul al masiha: and all you did was rob us of players who would support
[05-01-2012 10:25:00] al haji rasul al masiha: and bail on your mates in time of war
[05-01-2012 10:25:04] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[05-01-2012 10:26:05] al haji rasul al masiha: i see some are actually true to their mates and have come back
[05-01-2012 10:26:56] al haji rasul al masiha: i see you never corrected info you KNEW to be false in your forum post
[05-01-2012 10:27:10] al haji rasul al masiha: i see no indication that you are trying to help us
[05-01-2012 10:27:11] al haji rasul al masiha: maybe
[05-01-2012 10:27:17] al haji rasul al masiha: they are attacking us because of you?
[05-01-2012 10:27:35] al haji rasul al masiha: i see every indication that you are lying about us
[05-01-2012 10:27:45] al haji rasul al masiha: to the entire world
[05-01-2012 10:27:56] al haji rasul al masiha: so why not lie to us?
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So the new Ant's did last more than a few hours. What a shame I would have loved to meet him.
I am sorry for the long post, and lack of screenshots. If you don't believe this I can easily make you some screenshots of every conversation I shown all of you here.
