Let there be Light.

[Deleted User - 4669627]

Well obviously my post did show, that you wanted to attack KP even though we voted against you. You clearly said

[02:54:46] al haji rasul al masiha: the difference is this
[02:54:52] al haji rasul al masiha: my team plans to attack
[02:55:00] al haji rasul al masiha: with or without a declaration

I am sure everyone can read this, and that this cannot be missunderstood in any way. So now when this is out in the public your trying to deny you wanted to attack.

you are embarrassing yourself mate, read my post before you reply
i am not denying i wanted to attack, i am saying we were discussing 2 different issues.

1. declaring
2. attacking

which everybody agreed was not the same thing, except you. even your own co tried to tell you they were different things and you posted the quote from him :icon_rolleyes:

[spoil]

[02:47:46] Wicker: postpone or not striking. I don't see the difference here
[02:47:56] Hackster: There is a subtle difference yes

[/spoil]
i am saying the time of your quotes is after the vote to declare, but before the vote to attack

do you think if you throw enough words and confuse the issue enough you will manage to mislead everybody? i am fairly certain everybody here understands the issue (being how simple it is to understand) but you. :icon_sad:

you are denying there were 2 votes? you are denying your own co told you the same as every member of council, that the 2 issues were being decided separately? you are denying that you knew there were 2 votes despite voting in each? or you are denying that the second vote came after your quotes? which do i need to prove?

you are making yourself look foolish mate, take your very next accusation, for example...

[spoil]

[spoil]
[17-12-2011 11:43:03] Wicker: Am I not allowed to invite players in my own area anymore without asking for premission?
[17-12-2011 11:43:36] xshahzad: I do not know
[17-12-2011 11:44:02] xshahzad: I have been removed from council 2-3 times before the world started
[17-12-2011 11:44:22] Wicker: If thats how it is, I will leave and take everyone from K62 with me
[17-12-2011 11:44:43] xshahzad: thats not how it is
[17-12-2011 11:45:00] Wicker: Then he better fix this as soon as possible
[17-12-2011 11:45:03] xshahzad: haji must be a bit angry that u did not discussed it
[17-12-2011 11:45:07] Wicker: We lost 4 guys in K62
[17-12-2011 11:45:11] Wicker: And I invite 1 new replacement
[17-12-2011 11:45:46] xshahzad: I think the only thing he is angry with is you did not discussed
[17-12-2011 11:45:49] Wicker: What is there to discuss?
[17-12-2011 11:46:09] Wicker: He isn't in K62, so why should he know who is worth inviting and who isn't down here
[17-12-2011 11:54:22] xshahzad: Oct 31
16:23 Anthills changed the privileges and title of xshahzad.
[17-12-2011 11:54:58] Wicker: That is just lack of respect, if he don't even trust our jugdement
[17-12-2011 11:58:36] xshahzad: [10. oktober 2011 20:44] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[31. oktober 2011 16:23] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[20. november 2011 09:00] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 00:03] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 01:20] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.
[17-12-2011 11:58:49] xshahzad: i was removed 5 times
[17-12-2011 12:00:37] xshahzad: you were placed here for merger discussion
[17-12-2011 12:01:02] xshahzad: I know
[17-12-2011 12:01:13] xshahzad: most people would have
[17-12-2011 12:01:27] xshahzad: but i know their is no one like Haji
[17-12-2011 12:01:36] xshahzad: he is a true person
[17-12-2011 12:01:59] Wicker: I still don't agree with the way he handle things
[17-12-2011 12:02:40] Wicker: Just removing powers because he don't agree
[17-12-2011 12:02:44] Wicker: That is just childish
[/spoil]

Then Ant's logged on and took care of things, his own way.

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[17-12-2011 14:41:40] al haji rasul al masiha: I do not know???/
[17-12-2011 14:41:46] al haji rasul al masiha: excuse me
[17-12-2011 14:41:52] al haji rasul al masiha: how is there any question at all?
[17-12-2011 14:41:59] al haji rasul al masiha: how can either of you be unsure
[17-12-2011 14:42:00] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[17-12-2011 14:42:07] al haji rasul al masiha: how is that even possible?
[17-12-2011 14:42:20] al haji rasul al masiha: I am not asking anyone who the hell I am inviting in my areac-ya
[17-12-2011 14:42:24] al haji rasul al masiha: (wave)
[17-12-2011 14:42:27] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Wicker from this conversation. ***
[/spoil]

Really the right way to handle things, don't you think?

[/spoil]
now, you are claiming that you joined a tribe where you understood you would have no say in the leadership, but then you are complaining because you had no say in the leadership?

let's ask the other tribes what they think?

[spoil]if you give somebody baron privs but tell them they cannot invite anybody or set diplomacy without approval, yet they invite somebody anyway without even discussing it first with anybody at all, this is the right way to do things? they should just recruit whoever they like with no discussion?[/spoil]
wicker, i think this is why tribes have recruiters, you were not ours, you knew that before you joined us, so why are you complaining about what happened after you invited somebody without discussing it with any of us?

you are making yourself look bad mate, proving i made no mistake in appointing somebody else as duke.

fyi, this is me quoting wickerman, the way he posted the chat does not reflect this and this is not the first instance in this thread...

[spoil][17-12-2011 14:42:20] al haji rasul al masiha: I am not asking anyone who the hell I am inviting in my areac-ya[/spoil]
then you try to use thevirus to make your case? come on mate, show the whole chat...

[spoil][1/5/2012 4:02:10 PM] jacknash118: i just logged in and now have 150+ incomings
[1/5/2012 4:02:10 PM] jacknash118: (worry)
[1/5/2012 4:02:11 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: read the mail i sent everybody titled WAR !!
[1/5/2012 4:02:16 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: and follow the instructions
[1/5/2012 4:02:40 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i get attacked a lot
[1/5/2012 4:02:41 PM] al haji rasul al masiha:
[1/5/2012 4:02:54 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i can tell you a trick you can use to open 150 tabs with about 5 clicks
[1/5/2012 4:03:05 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: if you use opera
[1/5/2012 4:03:50 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: lcik the opera button
[1/5/2012 4:03:58 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: mouseover toolbar, click panels
[1/5/2012 4:05:06 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: you might have to click the + at the bottom of the new panel to add "links" to the panel
[1/5/2012 4:05:12 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am trying to recall how to do this
[1/5/2012 4:05:19 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: and i am not logged in
[1/5/2012 4:05:42 PM] xshahzad: yes i got 400 now
[1/5/2012 4:05:45 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: Ant read your mail
[1/5/2012 4:05:47 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: go to incomings overview and click the "links" button on the panel
[1/5/2012 4:05:53 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: steve
[1/5/2012 4:05:56 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: eneough
[1/5/2012 4:05:58 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: What
[1/5/2012 4:06:17 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: I have a point to get accross
[1/5/2012 4:06:27 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it will appear as chain link or a sideways 8 or infinity sing
[1/5/2012 4:06:46 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it will open a box with every link on that page
[1/5/2012 4:07:01 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: type the word Attack in the box
[1/5/2012 4:07:14 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it should only show links that have the word attack in them
[1/5/2012 4:07:37 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: hold ctrl and press A
[1/5/2012 4:07:39 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i think
[1/5/2012 4:07:47 PM] xshahzad: if their is no noble train no worries
[1/5/2012 4:07:52 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it will highlight all links
[1/5/2012 4:07:53 PM] xshahzad: all are fake
[1/5/2012 4:08:13 PM] xshahzad: I have not received a noble or train yet
[1/5/2012 4:08:17 PM | Edited 4:08:28 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: use ctrl with left mouse click to remove unwanted links
[1/5/2012 4:08:59 PM | Edited 4:09:07 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: then right click any of the highlighted links and click open in background tab
[1/5/2012 4:09:24 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: and it will open every incoming attack in a background tab
[1/5/2012 4:09:59 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: once you have opera set up for this, it takes a few clicks to open every single untagged attack in a background tab

...

[1/5/2012 4:11:20 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: everybody in this chat but you
[1/5/2012 4:11:23 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: all the rest of us
[1/5/2012 4:11:25 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: are at war
[1/5/2012 4:11:40 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: we are discussing war
[1/5/2012 4:11:43 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: not your farming
[1/5/2012 4:11:49 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: Yes but if you have a point with me follow it fru
[1/5/2012 4:11:50 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not even logged in
[1/5/2012 4:11:56 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: you saw me post that
[1/5/2012 4:12:01 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i will read your mail when i have time
[1/5/2012 4:12:05 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it could be 3 days from now
[1/5/2012 4:12:12 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: it will not be anytime remotely soon
[1/5/2012 4:12:23 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: Yea so that proves my point....
[1/5/2012 4:12:30 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: idc what is your point
[1/5/2012 4:12:32 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: if you are not happy
[1/5/2012 4:12:34 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: please leave
[1/5/2012 4:12:40 PM | Edited 4:12:49 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: you are disruppting the whole tribe now
[1/5/2012 4:12:55 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: zach hhas 150 untagged incs
[1/5/2012 4:12:58 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: You don't give a **** what I say really do you ant
[1/5/2012 4:13:03 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: but you think YOUR issue is more important?
[1/5/2012 4:13:07 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: that is incredibly selfish
[1/5/2012 4:13:12 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: No
[1/5/2012 4:13:16 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: ask anybody here
[1/5/2012 4:13:39 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: do you have 200 untagged incomings?
[1/5/2012 4:13:41 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: no
[1/5/2012 4:13:41 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: You tell me something then expect me to wait till it suits you to reply
[1/5/2012 4:13:46 PM | Edited 4:13:58 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: so your issue NOT more important
[1/5/2012 4:14:10 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: No we have a conversation then I have to wait
[1/5/2012 4:14:13 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: this is not a spam chat
[1/5/2012 4:14:18 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: if you do not post on topic
[1/5/2012 4:14:21 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: Your not that importanr
[1/5/2012 4:14:21 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: you will be removed
[1/5/2012 4:14:36 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: There you go again
[1/5/2012 4:14:58 PM] steve blunt AkA Virus: I'm posting here cos you started the post
[1/5/2012 4:15:01 PM] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed steve blunt AkA Virus from this conversation. ***
[1/5/2012 4:15:18 PM] Dan (Mr Praline): thanks ants
[1/5/2012 4:15:22 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: ty
[1/5/2012 4:15:49 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i have sent him 2 mill resources btw
[1/5/2012 4:15:53 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: you have all supported him
[1/5/2012 4:15:57 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: check his awards
[1/5/2012 4:16:00 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: he does not farm
[1/5/2012 4:16:06 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: i keep telling him to farm, he does not
[1/5/2012 4:16:12 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: that is why he is mad
[1/5/2012 4:16:16 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: he wants to argue about his farming
[1/5/2012 4:16:28 PM] Sothis (Bad Bear2): wtf?
[1/5/2012 4:16:33 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: he was very rude to all of you when he sent his mass mail demanding more support
[1/5/2012 4:16:45 PM] al haji rasul al masiha: this is not the first issue with him[/spoil]
he does not deny i have shipped him 2 mill resources personally, you can check his awards and see he does not farm, i have been telling him for a long time now that he needs to farm, but he thought we should ignore all the incomings, since he had zero, and debate his farming then and there, it could not wait

obviously he was wrong wickerman, just like you were when you invited somebody without discussing it, why would you even post this crap? it makes YOU look bad, not me.

concerning alex, i will let him speak for himself, he is a big boy, but your last post i stand behind 100%

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[05-01-2012 10:24:42] al haji rasul al masiha: i guess your plan failed
[05-01-2012 10:24:54] al haji rasul al masiha: and all you did was rob us of players who would support
[05-01-2012 10:25:00] al haji rasul al masiha: and bail on your mates in time of war
[05-01-2012 10:25:04] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[05-01-2012 10:26:05] al haji rasul al masiha: i see some are actually true to their mates and have come back
[05-01-2012 10:26:56] al haji rasul al masiha: i see you never corrected info you KNEW to be false in your forum post
[05-01-2012 10:27:10] al haji rasul al masiha: i see no indication that you are trying to help us
[05-01-2012 10:27:11] al haji rasul al masiha: maybe
[05-01-2012 10:27:17] al haji rasul al masiha: they are attacking us because of you?
[05-01-2012 10:27:35] al haji rasul al masiha: i see every indication that you are lying about us
[05-01-2012 10:27:45] al haji rasul al masiha: to the entire world
[05-01-2012 10:27:56] al haji rasul al masiha: so why not lie to us?
[/spoil]

I am sorry for the long post, and lack of screenshots. If you don't believe this I can easily make you some screenshots of every conversation I shown all of you here.

no need for screen-shots mate, i am not contesting your posts. why would i? they prove my point, not yours. :icon_rolleyes:

if anybody is confused by all this, by all means let's try to keep it simple and stay focused on the accusations...

Basically, Wickerman's claim is this...

I set up a puppet leadership, which then voted against me, then I ignored their vote.

he does not address any of the flaws i addressed in his reasoning. he does not claim that we had no second vote. he does not claim that the quotes he is using to try to justify his claims came before the second vote. he does not claim that anybody at all agreed with him that attacking and declaring were the same thing. he does not deny the council voted against me in every vote.

he has added more claims though...

[spoil]1. i am sometimes an ass (i agree, yes, though i am not sure he has proven it, i admit it)
2. he joined a tribe where he understood he had no say in the leadership till, at least, the new year, yet he invited somebody without discussing with any of us (somehow this is meant to make me look bad?)
3. his free-loading, rude, selfish mate was removed from an ops chat for disrupting our defensive preparations (again somehow meant to make me look bad?)
4. alex (pownedu) believes that i am the leadership of =X (we will let alex speak for himself)[/spoil]

 

[DeletedUser]

As far as I see it, it doesn't matter if there are 1, 2 or 100 votes. When you clearly state your gonna attack anyway, what would a second vote do any good for? All in the council know it is senseless to discuss with you. If your not getting it your way, you can always leave the chat, and then xshas feels bad about you, and invite you back. I don't really think I need to provide more info for that, as this is all shown above.

So the time when I recruited it was not alright. But I guess it is no problem aslong the players has a good size. Just look at what you decided to do without the council.

[spoil]
[30-12-2011 01:05:05] al haji rasul al masiha: rish
[30-12-2011 01:05:17] al haji rasul al masiha: what do you think of recruiting alfie and trojan taff?
[30-12-2011 01:05:24] al haji rasul al masiha: from kp
[30-12-2011 01:06:07] al haji rasul al masiha: ALFIE01
Points: 73.334
Rank: 118
[30-12-2011 01:06:28] al haji rasul al masiha: Trojan Taff
Points: 48.749
Rank: 250
[30-12-2011 01:06:40] Risharks: what K they in?
[30-12-2011 01:06:49] al haji rasul al masiha: 63 and 64
[30-12-2011 01:07:21] Risharks: should nt affect me too much, if they active and good mates, then go for it
[30-12-2011 01:07:32] al haji rasul al masiha: that makes a majority in favor
[30-12-2011 01:07:43] al haji rasul al masiha: we did not want to wait for wicker or alex
[/spoil]
So how can that make majority when 2 guys has voted and xshas, Alex and I never got to vote? As far as I know 3 votes counts more than 2. Or did Ant's votes count for 2?
I don't see the big difference here. Why were you not dismissed for recruiting without discussing with the whole council?

And just FYI, the guy I decided to recruite was accepted to the tribe anyway, and he is still there. Not that bad jugdement after all huh?

virus case from yesterday: I could have showed the whole chat, but it is more or less full of a lot of useless stuff that has nothing to do with my point. And as you said in your post:

by all means let's try to keep it simple and stay focused on the accusations...

I thought I just wanted to add this just for your info:

This message has been forwarded by ALFIE01.

ALFIE01 today at 07:24
that was just one spy we have in the tribe....ha ha

ALFIE01 today at 07:24
we have know about this for days, we are ready, more than ready infact

Such a nice guy you got there huh? I hope he was worth recruiting.

Finally, why would you let Alex speak. I am sure you can confirm everything he said about you. Or did you also lie to Alex?

 

[Deleted User - 4669627]

As far as I see it, it doesn't matter if there are 1, 2 or 100 votes. When you clearly state your gonna attack anyway, what would a second vote do any good for?

idk mate
maybe if you could count to 2, you could see there was not 1 issue (whether to declare and attack) but 2 issues (do we declare? do we attack?)
1 more time, your own co-player explained it to you, everybody on the council explained it to you, it has been explained here several times now
now everybody in the world understands except you

So the time when I recruited it was not alright. But I guess it is no problem aslong the players has a good size. Just look at what you decided to do without the council.

[spoil]
[30-12-2011 01:05:05] al haji rasul al masiha: rish
[30-12-2011 01:05:17] al haji rasul al masiha: what do you think of recruiting alfie and trojan taff?
[30-12-2011 01:05:24] al haji rasul al masiha: from kp
[30-12-2011 01:06:07] al haji rasul al masiha: ALFIE01
Points: 73.334
Rank: 118
[30-12-2011 01:06:28] al haji rasul al masiha: Trojan Taff
Points: 48.749
Rank: 250
[30-12-2011 01:06:40] Risharks: what K they in?
[30-12-2011 01:06:49] al haji rasul al masiha: 63 and 64
[30-12-2011 01:07:21] Risharks: should nt affect me too much, if they active and good mates, then go for it
[30-12-2011 01:07:32] al haji rasul al masiha: that makes a majority in favor
[30-12-2011 01:07:43] al haji rasul al masiha: we did not want to wait for wicker or alex
[/spoil]
So how can that make majority when 2 guys has voted and xshas, Alex and I never got to vote? As far as I know 3 votes counts more than 2. Or did Ant's votes count for 2?
I don't see the big difference here. Why were you not dismissed for recruiting without discussing with the whole council?

once again, check the date of your quote vs. REALITY...

[spoil][spoil]

http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=240909

click the Leadership spoiler for confirmation

Leadership :lol:

[spoil]If I want to be part of a tribe that is a strong contender to win their world AND whose honorable reputation is beyond question, then I need to first build it. Within two months, I expect to step down.

Till the appointed hour, leadership is very simple, it is me. :icon_redface:
I will have a Council, of course, but will consider them my Counsel. They will have Baron privs, so as to better manage account-sitting (see below), as well as to address other responsibilities I delegate to them.

The next leader could be anybody in the tribe, but there will be no election, whoever should lead will. :icon_idea:[/spoil]

[/spoil]
and of course...

[spoil]Jan 01
00:00 Anthills changed the privileges and title of Anthills.
Jan 01
00:00 Anthills changed the privileges and title of xshahzad.[/spoil][/spoil]
however, even though i did not require a vote, i took one anyway... :icon_eek:

[spoil]Wickerman on 30.12.2011 at 15:05Thanks Quote Edit Delete
Well if it is true what the old KP players say, I suggest we take as many as possible. PITA shouldn't get any of these, since they can be very useful for us.

Also PITA are getting themself into a lot of trouble. They are attacking ONE with heavy forces up in the north, and also dare to attack us in the south. I suggest we strike them after new year, and then I should hopefully have something worked out with ONE.

So short story: Recruite KP, Attack PITA, Get Relation With ONE.[/spoil]
even though the leadership had not yet changed, i took a vote, but still your vote was not needed. why?

[spoil]the reason your vote was not needed was because shahz and i had both voted, meaning if you and alex were both against it, it would be a tie and risharks would decide the matter. since neither of you was on and the outcome was inevitable, i went straight to risharks for the potential tie-breaker, if it were needed, which it was not. you agreed mate, you voted yes. why you playing?[/spoil]

And just FYI, the guy I decided to recruite was accepted to the tribe anyway, and he is still there. Not that bad jugdement after all huh?

i never questioned if he was a good player, i agreed with you, the question was what were you doing recruiting people without discussing it?

Such a nice guy you got there huh? I hope he was worth recruiting.

seriously? :icon_rolleyes:
YOU suggested we recruit him

Finally, why would you let Alex speak.

you are claiming alex told you i was still leading
alex can speak for himself? :icon_rolleyes:

I am going to quit posting for a while cuz i have a war to fight, you do not have that issue cuz you bailed
you can post all the day long, i have a war to fight, so you have me at a disadvantage
except that your own posts incriminate you, so if you keep posting, you make yourself look bad without me posting

so keep posting wickerman

 

[DeletedUser]

[spoil]Well obviously my post did show, that you wanted to attack KP even though we voted against you. You clearly said

[02:54:46] al haji rasul al masiha: the difference is this
[02:54:52] al haji rasul al masiha: my team plans to attack
[02:55:00] al haji rasul al masiha: with or without a declaration

I am sure everyone can read this, and that this cannot be missunderstood in any way. So now when this is out in the public your trying to deny you wanted to attack. I know you didn't attack, but that is not the issue here. You said you wanted to attack, even though the rest of the council voted against you. Is that respecting a council? I think not.

Here is some old quotes from when you were still duke as well, and you were running the show. I don't see the difference from back then and then when we had a new leader. You did what you wanted to do... And then the respect you show towards others. Its just....

First a talk with xshas, who is the leader now.
[spoil]
[17-12-2011 11:43:03] Wicker: Am I not allowed to invite players in my own area anymore without asking for premission?
[17-12-2011 11:43:36] xshahzad: I do not know
[17-12-2011 11:44:02] xshahzad: I have been removed from council 2-3 times before the world started
[17-12-2011 11:44:22] Wicker: If thats how it is, I will leave and take everyone from K62 with me
[17-12-2011 11:44:43] xshahzad: thats not how it is
[17-12-2011 11:45:00] Wicker: Then he better fix this as soon as possible
[17-12-2011 11:45:03] xshahzad: haji must be a bit angry that u did not discussed it
[17-12-2011 11:45:07] Wicker: We lost 4 guys in K62
[17-12-2011 11:45:11] Wicker: And I invite 1 new replacement
[17-12-2011 11:45:46] xshahzad: I think the only thing he is angry with is you did not discussed
[17-12-2011 11:45:49] Wicker: What is there to discuss?
[17-12-2011 11:46:09] Wicker: He isn't in K62, so why should he know who is worth inviting and who isn't down here
[17-12-2011 11:54:22] xshahzad: Oct 31
16:23 Anthills changed the privileges and title of xshahzad.
[17-12-2011 11:54:58] Wicker: That is just lack of respect, if he don't even trust our jugdement
[17-12-2011 11:58:36] xshahzad: [10. oktober 2011 20:44] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[31. oktober 2011 16:23] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[20. november 2011 09:00] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 00:03] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.[21. november 2011 01:20] al haji rasul al masiha:

<<< al haji rasul al masiha removed xshahzad from this conversation.
[17-12-2011 11:58:49] xshahzad: i was removed 5 times
[17-12-2011 12:00:37] xshahzad: you were placed here for merger discussion
[17-12-2011 12:01:02] xshahzad: I know
[17-12-2011 12:01:13] xshahzad: most people would have
[17-12-2011 12:01:27] xshahzad: but i know their is no one like Haji
[17-12-2011 12:01:36] xshahzad: he is a true person
[17-12-2011 12:01:59] Wicker: I still don't agree with the way he handle things
[17-12-2011 12:02:40] Wicker: Just removing powers because he don't agree
[17-12-2011 12:02:44] Wicker: That is just childish
[/spoil]

Then Ant's logged on and took care of things, his own way.

[spoil]
[17-12-2011 14:41:40] al haji rasul al masiha: I do not know???/
[17-12-2011 14:41:46] al haji rasul al masiha: excuse me
[17-12-2011 14:41:52] al haji rasul al masiha: how is there any question at all?
[17-12-2011 14:41:59] al haji rasul al masiha: how can either of you be unsure
[17-12-2011 14:42:00] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[17-12-2011 14:42:07] al haji rasul al masiha: how is that even possible?
[17-12-2011 14:42:20] al haji rasul al masiha: I am not asking anyone who the hell I am inviting in my areac-ya
[17-12-2011 14:42:24] al haji rasul al masiha: (wave)
[17-12-2011 14:42:27] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed Wicker from this conversation. ***
[/spoil]

Really the right way to handle things, don't you think?

Here is a goodie from yesterday:

[spoil]
[05-01-2012 22:05:33] steve blunt AkA Virus: Ant read your mail
[05-01-2012 22:05:41] al haji rasul al masiha: steve
[05-01-2012 22:05:44] al haji rasul al masiha: eneough
[05-01-2012 22:05:46] steve blunt AkA Virus: What
[05-01-2012 22:06:05] steve blunt AkA Virus: I have a point to get accross
[05-01-2012 22:11:08] al haji rasul al masiha: everybody in this chat but you
[05-01-2012 22:11:11] al haji rasul al masiha: all the rest of us
[05-01-2012 22:11:13] al haji rasul al masiha: are at war
[05-01-2012 22:11:28] al haji rasul al masiha: we are discussing war
[05-01-2012 22:11:31] al haji rasul al masiha: not your farming
Yes but if you have a point with me follow it fru
[05-01-2012 22:11:38] al haji rasul al masiha: i am not even logged in
[05-01-2012 22:11:44] al haji rasul al masiha: you saw me post that
[05-01-2012 22:11:48] al haji rasul al masiha: i will read your mail when i have time
[05-01-2012 22:11:52] al haji rasul al masiha: it could be 3 days from now
[05-01-2012 22:12:00] al haji rasul al masiha: it will not be anytime remotely soon
[05-01-2012 22:12:11] steve blunt AkA Virus: Yea so that proves my point....
[05-01-2012 22:12:17] al haji rasul al masiha: idc what is your point
[05-01-2012 22:12:20] al haji rasul al masiha: if you are not happy
[05-01-2012 22:12:22] al haji rasul al masiha: please leave
[05-01-2012 22:12:28 | Redigerede 22:12:37] al haji rasul al masiha: you are disruppting the whole tribe now
This keeps going for a while, and finally
[05-01-2012 22:14:49] *** al haji rasul al masiha removed steve blunt AkA Virus from the conversation. ***
[/spoil]

I have many more, and I am happy to post every single one of them, but I don't feel like posting all I have in one post, as it might get boring to read.

Now to my point for leaving

[spoil]
[03-01-2012 22:29:01] Wicker: Well, this has nothing to do with sam was removed yesterday
[03-01-2012 22:29:05] Wicker: Everything was planned there already
[03-01-2012 22:29:17] xshahzad: ok
[03-01-2012 22:29:27] Wicker: We just needed a moment to do the last preparations
[/spoil]

This should be pretty clear to everyone, that we did plan to leave this tribe even before our little chat yesterday where Hackster got removed from the chat. In general our main reason for leaving was the fact that Ant's behaviour towards others are unacceptable, and he is still running the tribe. We had discussed this for some days, and we finally got it confirmed.

Now lets see what happened after we splitted.

Alex(powendu is his ingame name) and I was sitting and speaking about diplomatic relations to other tribes as always, when I told him I got something coming up for the tribe very soon. He was very curious, but I didn't want to tell him before the time was right. Here is what happened in the last moments. Remember Alex was ex SWARM leader and a part of the council and had just as much power as me and Ant's.

[spoil]
[03:15:42] Wicker: [03-01-2012 22:03:45] Alex Meyer: its up to us!!
[03-01-2012 22:03:47] Alex Meyer: please do tell
[03-01-2012 22:04:11] Wicker: Alright mate
[03-01-2012 22:04:15] Wicker: Now its official
[03-01-2012 22:04:17] Wicker: Here it is
[03-01-2012 22:04:19] Wicker: My newest pnp
[03-01-2012 22:04:24] Wicker: http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?p=6377793#post6377793
[03-01-2012 22:04:45] Wicker: Was nice playing with you, but I have much bigger plans than being a puppet of Ant
[03-01-2012 22:08:48] Alex Meyer: I likey
[03-01-2012 22:09:04] Alex Meyer: So should I submit my application now.....
[03-01-2012 22:09:06] Alex Meyer: Or later?
[/spoil]

Remember that Alex's old tribe mates did whatever he told him to do. So they all moved over, or at least most of them, we didn't get to complete our merge(or what you prefer to call this).

Alex wanted the best for the tribe, and he did try to convince us to go back together again. He decided to speak with Ant's to find a solution, not xshas our leader who should know what to do, but Ant's...(strange you speak with the guy not in charge huh? Guess he is still running the tribe as far as I can see it).

Here is what he spoke with Ant's about in private, sadly I don't have the conversation between Ant's and Alex, so we have to trust what Alex is telling us now.

[spoil]
[05-01-2012 00:54:34] Alex Meyer: I do not know how to put this without me getting bitched at
[05-01-2012 00:54:38] Alex Meyer: hahaha it is going somewhere good
[05-01-2012 00:54:41] Alex Meyer: overall
[05-01-2012 00:54:48] Alex Meyer: idk how u will take to it
[05-01-2012 00:54:55] Alex Meyer: ants has realized how much of an ass he
[05-01-2012 00:54:58] Alex Meyer: is
[05-01-2012 00:55:11] Alex Meyer: He still says he does not wish to lead (What?? Again confirmed he is leading, look at the date 5th January)
[05-01-2012 00:55:14] Wicker: I don't believe it
[05-01-2012 00:55:20] Alex Meyer: so after a hour long convo with him
[05-01-2012 00:55:25] Alex Meyer: about trying to fix things
[05-01-2012 00:55:38] Alex Meyer: he has agreed to compromise with wicker
[05-01-2012 00:55:48] Alex Meyer: aka u 2
[05-01-2012 00:55:56] Alex Meyer: he has agreed
[05-01-2012 00:56:00] Alex Meyer: to step down from counci
[05-01-2012 00:56:16] Alex Meyer: I told him people cannot deal with him being as bossy as he is etc
[05-01-2012 00:56:29] Alex Meyer: he does not want to lead
[05-01-2012 00:57:36] Wicker: Why would he suddenly turn around like this
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Alex Meyer: He sees how many mates he will be losing
[05-01-2012 00:57:48] Hackster: he knows he is in trouble?
[05-01-2012 00:57:55] Alex Meyer: he inderstand we are being split
[05-01-2012 00:58:00] Alex Meyer: fact of it is
[05-01-2012 00:58:01] Wicker: He said if people don't like it, we can get the f*** out
[05-01-2012 00:58:07] Wicker: Even if only him and xshas is left
[05-01-2012 01:00:58] Hackster: Alex we can't go back
[05-01-2012 01:01:02] Alex Meyer: because?
[05-01-2012 01:01:08] Alex Meyer: Ants will not be a leader
[05-01-2012 01:01:16] Hackster: that wasn't ever the problem
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Alex Meyer: I have, in typing, his agreement to step down
[05-01-2012 01:01:22] Hackster: his influence over Shah is still there
[05-01-2012 01:02:00] Alex Meyer: shah did agree with us on the 3 votes that have taken place thus far has he not?
[05-01-2012 01:02:07] Wicker: This isn't exactly first time we broke out of the tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:13] Alex Meyer: I know it isn't
[05-01-2012 01:02:34] Wicker: you name any tribe. They all see =X as a dead tribe
[05-01-2012 01:02:49] Wicker: Because of how Ants made them look
[05-01-2012 01:02:56] Wicker: And all the hate we got already
[05-01-2012 01:03:02] Alex Meyer: it will no longer appear that way
[05-01-2012 01:03:07] Wicker: It will
[05-01-2012 01:03:17] Wicker: Everyone know how Ants is
[05-01-2012 01:03:22] Alex Meyer: Yes
[05-01-2012 01:03:23] Alex Meyer: We all do
[05-01-2012 01:03:32] Alex Meyer: He knows how he is like
[05-01-2012 01:03:55] Wicker: Then he sohuld have thought about that maybe a bit earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:01] Alex Meyer: which majority vote would be me and u
[05-01-2012 01:04:05] Alex Meyer: regardless of what shah thinks
[05-01-2012 01:04:22] Alex Meyer: I am not saying maybe he shouldn't have realized it earlier
[05-01-2012 01:04:31] Alex Meyer: I don't like his bitching and being an ass anymore than u do
[05-01-2012 01:04:44] Wicker: If he knew he had a problem, he should have changed his way of acting towards others
[05-01-2012 01:05:08] Wicker: Yesterday when only a few had left he was still cocky
[05-01-2012 01:05:26] Alex Meyer: because he did not know everyone we had lined up
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Wicker: His cockyness is running out as the members in his tribe
[05-01-2012 01:05:32] Alex Meyer: I told him many are lined up to lead
[05-01-2012 01:05:45] Alex Meyer: so maybe it took this event to put him back in his place
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Hackster: so now we have to come sulking back because we are happy Ant has mended his ways?
[05-01-2012 01:06:12] Wicker: I still don't believe him
[05-01-2012 01:06:23] Alex Meyer: don't come sulking back
[05-01-2012 01:06:31] Alex Meyer: ants wants u on council
[05-01-2012 01:06:37] Alex Meyer: he said that before I even mentioned it
[05-01-2012 01:07:02] Hackster: This just prooves Ant was not right to be in command and did not do the best for =X
[05-01-2012 01:07:11] Hackster: we are going back to fix his problems?
[05-01-2012 01:07:13] Hackster: why?
[05-01-2012 01:07:17] Alex Meyer: I am not argueing with that point
[05-01-2012 01:07:29] Alex Meyer: I did not like ants on council or leading
[05-01-2012 01:07:30] Hackster: what are we saying?
[05-01-2012 01:07:32] Alex Meyer: no one did
[05-01-2012 01:08:48] Alex Meyer: ants himself said that it was a misunderstanding on both parties
[05-01-2012 01:08:54] Alex Meyer: and that is why this happened
[05-01-2012 01:09:00] Alex Meyer: ants is admitting he is not right
[05-01-2012 01:09:15] Alex Meyer: I had a 3 hour convo with him last night
[05-01-2012 01:09:18] Alex Meyer: an hour convo with him just now
[05-01-2012 01:09:27] Alex Meyer: he has his tail inbetween his legs
[05-01-2012 01:09:35] Wicker: Misunderstanding? I don't see how this can be a misunderstanding. He is acting like a kid, and expect people to take his behaviour
[05-01-2012 01:09:54] Alex Meyer: He is done with that now
[05-01-2012 01:11:40] Hackster: Alex are you saying you won't be coming over?
[05-01-2012 01:11:46] Hackster: because that'd be a shame mate
[05-01-2012 01:11:53] Alex Meyer: I am sitting on the fence right now
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: ok
[05-01-2012 01:11:56] Hackster: we won't push you then
[05-01-2012 01:12:35] Wicker: He also realized it last time when he kicked me
[05-01-2012 01:12:39] Wicker: But what happened?
[05-01-2012 01:12:44] Wicker: The same thing
[05-01-2012 01:12:47] Wicker: Just 2 months later
[05-01-2012 01:12:55] Hackster: Alex we still want to work with =X
[/spoil]

I really did consider if he had changed his mind. But that was shot down right the next morning when I logged on.

[spoil]
[05-01-2012 10:24:42] al haji rasul al masiha: i guess your plan failed
[05-01-2012 10:24:54] al haji rasul al masiha: and all you did was rob us of players who would support
[05-01-2012 10:25:00] al haji rasul al masiha: and bail on your mates in time of war
[05-01-2012 10:25:04] al haji rasul al masiha: ???
[05-01-2012 10:26:05] al haji rasul al masiha: i see some are actually true to their mates and have come back
[05-01-2012 10:26:56] al haji rasul al masiha: i see you never corrected info you KNEW to be false in your forum post
[05-01-2012 10:27:10] al haji rasul al masiha: i see no indication that you are trying to help us
[05-01-2012 10:27:11] al haji rasul al masiha: maybe
[05-01-2012 10:27:17] al haji rasul al masiha: they are attacking us because of you?
[05-01-2012 10:27:35] al haji rasul al masiha: i see every indication that you are lying about us
[05-01-2012 10:27:45] al haji rasul al masiha: to the entire world
[05-01-2012 10:27:56] al haji rasul al masiha: so why not lie to us?
[/spoil]

So the new Ant's did last more than a few hours. What a shame I would have loved to meet him.

I am sorry for the long post, and lack of screenshots. If you don't believe this I can easily make you some screenshots of every conversation I shown all of you here.[/spoil]

There is so much to adress in here that I am just going to pick out a few things here.
Wicker, you are twisting words and convos around, and you know it.
I like you mate idk why you are doing that.
You know very well the reason why I spoke to ants and you about getting back together, and not shah.

Here it is for everyone to see now, so they can all get the real reason. Story time.
Ants can be a bit mean at times :icon_biggrin:
He knows this, and is and has been working on it.
He has been very harsh on players and because of that they resent him.
That is a large reason for why light was formed.
People had enough of ants, and that was it, they left.

There are many underlying reasons we could look at here, but the truth of it is ants was harsh, and quite hard headed, so people got fed up and left.

So now when I, Alex, was trying to get things back together why would I then go speak to ants about it, and not shah?
The two opposing sides here were ants and wicker. Not shah and wicker.
Ants was the one that was the problem for some players.
Ants was the reason wicker left.
So when I went to work out an agreement on both sides, I went to the two opposing parties: Ants and Wicker.
I tried to work out a rational agreement on both sides.
Ants was very rational, here is the part of our long chat on skype where he agreed to step down and just be warlord:
[spoil]Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:36 PM
we can talk about KP later
Ants 1/4/12 4:37 PM
idc
Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:37 PM
right now we need to get our tribe back together
Ants 1/4/12 4:37 PM
you all can
1/4/12 4:37 PM
i will just follow
1/4/12 4:37 PM

Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:38 PM
So you have said u do not want to lead,
if you do not lead it would make it easier on you
it would be what u have said you wanted
it could possibly help you ease up a little and be nicer
But you would still be here for what you are very useful for
planning and war
1/4/12 4:38 PM
That way everything that needs to be done will be done
1/4/12 4:38 PM
both sides win
1/4/12 4:38 PM
u are nicer
1/4/12 4:38 PM
we still have u to plan
1/4/12 4:39 PM
and set up wars etc
1/4/12 4:39 PM
obvi as warlord u are still giving your opinion on who to war and who not to
1/4/12 4:39 PM
u just do not need to be as involved with it
1/4/12 4:39 PM
also as warlord
1/4/12 4:39 PM
if you are a bit harsh
1/4/12 4:39 PM
and a bit demanding
1/4/12 4:39 PM
that is not bad
1/4/12 4:39 PM
we need that in time of war
1/4/12 4:40 PM
So someone could say ants u are being an ass
Ants 1/4/12 4:40 PM
k
Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:40 PM
and your responce would be yes I am
1/4/12 4:40 PM
now get back to sniping and nuking
1/4/12 4:40 PM
haha
Ants 1/4/12 4:40 PM
and i could be like "You NEED me on that wall! you WANT me on that wall!"
1/4/12 4:40 PM
that is my jack nicholson impression
Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:41 PM
I am just trying to make both sides of this happy, get our tribe back together, and do what is best for the tribe
Ants 1/4/12 4:41 PM[/spoil]

After speaking with wicker he was not as rational, nor agreeable in the slightest way.
If he wishes for that convo to be posted, I will let him post it.
I personally will not post it here as long as it is not needed....

I hope we can understand the real truth now.
Wicker you knew why I talked to ants and not shah.
Now all who read this understand why I spoke with ants.
Ants is not my leader. Ants is now my friend who I speak with and bounce ideas off.
We are both on the same level of "power" and we recognize that and act that way.

I hope now we can go forward not twisting words and convos to make them seem much different than they really are.

 

[DeletedUser]

As far as I see from the council chat it was only you who didn't understand my point of view. Hackster understood it, xshas did. So just becourse I used a wrong word for that case, I am the one who don't get it? I don't see your logic.

Correct me if I am wrong. But if you declare war, why would you ever need a vote if your going to attack. Doesn't declare war mean attacking as well? Or you just declare war and do nothing? Will be a really boring war imo.

Your starting post starts to get boring. Everyone have read it at least 100 times, about respect and truth and honour. I don't see any of it still.

And did you actually sit inside new year evening exactly 00:00 to change the leadership? Duuuude... LAME. lool :icon_eek:

 

[DeletedUser]

I don't see how I am twisting the story. As far as I can see, my story is just as true as yours.
If your having problems with the guy at your job, do you go and tell him, hey dude I really have problems with you, please step down... No, you obviously go to the boss and tell him to fire that guy or at least do something about him. And the same counts for this matter.
Now the problem is that xshas wouldn't remove Ant's, so speaking with him would be nonsense anyway.

Other than that, I think we posted more or less the same as far as I can read.

Sorry for double post!

 

[DeletedUser]

Alex wanted the best for the tribe, and he did try to convince us to go back together again. He decided to speak with Ant's to find a solution, not xshas our leader who should know what to do, but Ant's...(strange you speak with the guy not in charge huh? Guess he is still running the tribe as far as I can see it).

I don't see how I am twisting the story. As far as I can see, my story is just as true as yours.
If your having problems with the guy at your job, do you go and tell him, hey dude I really have problems with you, please step down... No, you obviously go to the boss and tell him to fire that guy or at least do something about him. And the same counts for this matter.
Now the problem is that xshas wouldn't remove Ant's, so speaking with him would be nonsense anyway.

Other than that, I think we posted more or less the same as far as I can read.

Sorry for double post!

You are twisting the story by saying how I went to talk to ants about getting the tribe back together, and not shah, the duke.
You knew why I talked to ants and not shah.
It is not because I view ants as my leader.
It is because the situation was pertaining to him, shah had nothing to do with it what so ever.
I explained it in my above post why I spoke to ants and not shah.
Ants and you were the opposing parties, not you and shah.
Ants was the reason people were leaving, not shah.
Ants was the reason you formed light, not shah.
Therefore I spoke to the problem we had with this situation, Ants.
Please do not try to make things seem different than how they really are again.
Again, if you would like we could bring our convo on skype when I tried to form a rational conclusion to all of this with you and hackster, then we can bring that into all of this.
Our convo was after ants had already been very agreeable and was willing to make a rational compromise.
I don't think we have to bring our convo into all of this, nor would I like to.
If it is necessary then we can do that.

Mate we do not need shah to "fire" ants or have him removed.
I just posted mine and ants convo above, everyone, including yourself, can now see ants agreed to step down.
He was not fighting it, he did not argue with it.
He agreed that if it would be for the best of the tribe he would do it, plain and simple.

 

[DeletedUser]

Thats how you see it, and I see it the other way. We went to xshas and was told he wouldn't get demoted or removed. He didn't want to as we thought.

Maybe you came up with a solution with Ants after all this, but at that point it was too late, and you knew deep inside you that Hackster and I would never return again. He had done this once, and I came back. I am not making myself look like a fool and join him again.

We have different views of this and thats how it is.

 

[sidd 271]

just one question whos from w43 light is here? jinn(dhk0,col1971,kokheng,blue wicked,balefire,oskar ?? any1 here?

 

[DeletedUser]

just one question whos from w43 light is here? jinn(dhk0,col1971,kokheng,blue wicked,balefire,oskar ?? any1 here?

As far as I know, I was a part of blue wicked

 

[DeletedUser]

Why is everyone posting such long posts? :icon_eek:
I think we've seen quite a bit of the =X council chat now, probably more than the members :lol:

So how can that make majority when 2 guys has voted and xshas, Alex and I never got to vote? As far as I know 3 votes counts more than 2. Or did Ant's votes count for 2?

2+2=4?
Not 5 or am I mistaken, basic maths was never my strong suit :icon_redface:

once again, check the date of your quote vs. REALITY...

Is wickers post not reality or where are we now?
I believe you meant, past, present, future :icon_rolleyes:
Wickers point is still valid as it was reality, this is reality....

you are claiming alex told you i was still leading
alex can speak for himself?

Wicker never claimed Alex said you were still leading, Wicker posted the conversation where Alex said you agreed to step down :icon_rolleyes:
Alex did speak for himself, Wicker was claiming you lied to Alex, and are still using shahz as your puppet.
Oh please don't respond saying ''shahz voted against me everytime, everyone did'', that is not relevant.
If you are not leader, then why are you still in council chat, if you wish to step down then step down fully, not half heartedly.

Finally, why would you let Alex speak. I am sure you can confirm everything he said about you. Or did you also lie to Alex?

Ants was very rational, here is the part of our long chat on skype where he agreed to step down and just be warlord:

Warlord? What is that? War baron? If he stepped down as leader then he shouldn't be War Baron, that is still leading imao.
If he can't lead due to time then war baron is a bad idea.
If he doesn't want to lead (As he claimed)
Then why is he a baron or ''warlord''? :icon_confused:

He did not agree to step down in your quote his response was

Ants 1/4/12 4:40 PM
k

That to me seems like he is reluctantly accepting what has happened as no one in =X wants him to lead, though you showed yourself to be a 'puppet', possibly through brainwashing :lol:


[spoil]

Alex Meyer 1/4/12 4:38 PM
So you have said u do not want to lead,
if you do not lead it would make it easier on you
it would be what u have said you wanted
it could possibly help you ease up a little and be nicer
But you would still be here for what you are very useful for
planning and war
1/4/12 4:38 PM
That way everything that needs to be done will be done
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both sides win
1/4/12 4:38 PM
u are nicer
1/4/12 4:38 PM
we still have u to plan
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and set up wars etc
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obvi as warlord u are still giving your opinion on who to war and who not to
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u just do not need to be as involved with it
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also as warlord
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if you are a bit harsh
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and a bit demanding
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that is not bad
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we need that in time of war
1/4/12 4:40 PM
So someone could say ants u are being an ass

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Did you have a vote when you offered him Warlord status? :icon_rolleyes:
The brainwashing comment was based on the above quote, why did you offer him warlord? He didn't even ask....
Though you were aware of him stepping down, the puppet arguement and peoples unhappiness with him on council.

He was not fighting it, he did not argue with it.
He agreed that if it would be for the best of the tribe he would do it, plain and simple.

He didn't argue? He accepted? Yes but reluctantly, he responded with 'K'

Definition of response 'K'

k
A term of acknowledgement; esp. without particular interest.

 

[DeletedUser]

Why is everyone posting such long posts?

Long post -_-

 

[DeletedUser]

Long post -_-

I never said it was a bad thing :icon_rolleyes:
I quite like seeing tribes fall apart from the inside on the externals :lol:
Can I make a late late entry for fail tribe of the year?
Or an early nomination for 2012 Fail Tribe of the year?

 

[DeletedUser]

I never said it was a bad thing :icon_rolleyes:
I quite like seeing tribes fall apart from the inside on the externals :lol:
Can I make a late late entry for fail tribe of the year?
Or an early nomination for 2012 Fail Tribe of the year?

I think we can start counting for 2012

 

[DeletedUser]

who won't?

 

[DeletedUser]

Warlord? What is that? War baron? If he stepped down as leader then he shouldn't be War Baron, that is still leading imao.
If he can't lead due to time then war baron is a bad idea.
If he doesn't want to lead (As he claimed)
Then why is he a baron or ''warlord''? :icon_confused:

He did not agree to step down in your quote his response was


That to me seems like he is reluctantly accepting what has happened as no one in =X wants him to lead, though you showed yourself to be a 'puppet', possibly through brainwashing :lol:


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Did you have a vote when you offered him Warlord status? :icon_rolleyes:
The brainwashing comment was based on the above quote, why did you offer him warlord? He didn't even ask....
Though you were aware of him stepping down, the puppet arguement and peoples unhappiness with him on council.


He didn't argue? He accepted? Yes but reluctantly, he responded with 'K'

If you do not know what is going on with the situation fully please do not come in here flaming away.
If you would read the above convos, you would notice that I, Alex, was trying to bring light (wicker), and =X (the conflict was ants), back together.
For this reason I was trying to come up with an agreement that would suite both sides.
Wicker could come back and be on council, ants would not be on council.
"War Lord" would be someone who plans wars, as the name suggests.
War lord- A military commander. :icon_eek:
If you still are unclear as to why I offered him this position. please re-read the posts above...

"k" is ants agreeing.
"k" is a shortened version of "okay".
If one is told to do something, and they are signifying that they understand, they respond with "okay".
The convo shows ants agreeing with the agreement I was trying to form to get us all back together, nothing more was needed from our convo.

I do not appreciate, nor do I understand how/why you would make the statement that I was ants puppet.
That comment is not needed, its provides nothing to this conversation, and it is not true.
It is just an unnecessary comment to flame.

 

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Wicker... I have lost a lot of respect for you; you are now a completely different person.
You are twisting the facts here, as a member who left =x personally and joined Light. Because of the issue that has been addressed many times before hand, the reason you left has now been fixed but you still refuse to get back together, I have even noticed change and I applaud ant for that. Although you still refuse, I guess ant wasn't the only reason you left.

Maybe you did want to lead?

Hence the reason you made your tribe, you seem to like it.
I think that one issue may have been your reputation?

[05-Jan-12 2:53:50 AM] Wicker: Would simply make myself look like a fool if I went back.

Maybe you were scared to fight the war?
I'm sure you have your reasons :icon_rolleyes:.

On top of that this whole issue has been blown out of proportion, we have a war to fight.

Good luck to -KP- and PITA
And good luck to all of us in =X!

 

[SmaXa]

That's 3 of the 7 council members that have quit now due to Anthills. Something's gotta give.

 

[DeletedUser]

If you do not know what is going on with the situation fully please do not come in here flaming away.
If you would read the above convos, you would notice that I, Alex, was trying to bring light (wicker), and =X (the conflict was ants), back together.

I know what you were doing. I have also talked to both shahyd and Wicker and have heard two sides to the story, though apparently our opinions differ slightly :icon_rolleyes:

Wicker could come back and be on council, ants would not be on council.
"War Lord" would be someone who plans wars, as the name suggests.
War lord- A military commander. :icon_eek:

Please enlighten me as to how this would work.
Wicker on council is fine but shahyd off council while being military commander?
How can he plan Op and wars while not being in council? He would need to be in council to fully understand the goings on of the tribe :icon_rolleyes:

"k" is ants agreeing.
"k" is a shortened version of "okay".
If one is told to do something, and they are signifying that they understand, they respond with "okay".
The convo shows ants agreeing with the agreement I was trying to form to get us all back together, nothing more was needed from our convo.

[01:57:38] Shahyd: "k"
[01:57:43] Shahyd: it IS
[01:57:49] Shahyd: what you said it is

Apparently Shahyd has a different opinion to you, because he agrees with me on this :icon_rolleyes:

[02:03:14] Jack - WeIsNubs: (think) seems your disinterested
[02:03:24] Shahyd: exactly
[02:03:26] Shahyd: "k"

I do not appreciate, nor do I understand how/why you would make the statement that I was ants puppet.
That comment is not needed, its provides nothing to this conversation, and it is not true.
It is just an unnecessary comment to flame.

If you do not see why I said it then you need to reread my post :icon_rolleyes:

 

[DeletedUser]

Wicker... I have lost a lot of respect for you; you are now a completely different person.
You are twisting the facts here, as a member who left =x personally and joined Light. Because of the issue that has been addressed many times before hand, the reason you left has now been fixed but you still refuse to get back together, I have even noticed change and I applaud ant for that. Although you still refuse, I guess ant wasn't the only reason you left.

Maybe you did want to lead?

Hence the reason you made your tribe, you seem to like it.
I think that one issue may have been your reputation?

[05-Jan-12 2:53:50 AM] Wicker: Would simply make myself look like a fool if I went back.

Maybe you were scared to fight the war?
I'm sure you have your reasons :icon_rolleyes:.

On top of that this whole issue has been blown out of proportion, we have a war to fight.

Good luck to -KP- and PITA
And good luck to all of us in =X!

Obviously it is only you guys who actually believe that Ant's is a nice guy who thinks that. You just refuse to see the truth, becourse I left you all behind in times of war. Ofcourse I knew what was going on, and I knew war was coming. Wouldn't it be silly to stay a few more days and then get into trouble as well? I didn't plan to stay with Ant's leading this tribe, and leaving it just before seems like a really clever move to me.

You just keep claiming I wanted to lead the tribe. I think I proven enough times that I didn't want to. If that is what you really think, then I guess you just can't see what is really going on. I feel sorry that you all have been brainwashed by Ant's.