Fuzzy,
Only because If I didn't do this all the fun would be lost that we just had. It does sadden me that your not going to read this today/tomorrow and give me some more and interesting reason to come back to these normally boring and drab forums. Though, I do wish you would a little more time and energy into your post since I'm confident that the could be done better.
Where might I ask in my statement do I say you were the leader? Or where do I insinuate it? The ignorance I was speaking of was the assumption you had made about my knowledge of your position. Where in all reality you had not the slightest clue. Yes I was shining light on that statement, and no you don't have to be a leader to try and set in place something that may or may not benefit a tribe or some players within a world. Yes it is something normally a leader would/could do, but it isn't always the case. And no, it may not be the only reason as you so boldly put. Obviously like you stated, you have a friendship with the one that was undermined, and therefore have a feeling like you are obligated to defend him, or at least attempt to.
You don't outright state it, your right, but it is heavly implied, or atleast hinted at that you think I'm attempting to rebal rouse the locals into doing some sort of evil thing against manics. And the only reason to rebal rouse the locals is if I was planning to lead them into war against manics, thus that I was still in a leadership position. Not hard to put two and two together.
Obviously you are taking this personally and getting pissy, resentful, and even vengeful in some ways. It shows in your responses my friend. It's not like I'm the only person that can see it. You possibly do go watch TV or jam out to some video games, I tend to do the same thing if I have the time. See, I haven't signed in to tw for nearly 2 months only to come in last night and catch a few whims of the poorly attempted bashings on Manic.. After this reply I will probably not be able to sign in for another 3 weeks, at which time I will rejoin this world.
Fuzzy, while your are deffentely above average at this debating back and forth, your half-arsed effort isn't going to get my anywere near close to pissy, resentful, or even vengeful in anyway. Just because I'm a fan of using interesting and melodramic descriptive words doesn't mean I'm getting emotionally attached in anyway to this, it just me having a little fun, and trying to spice up the arguement. *shrugs* I do admit I was having fun with you, as your post are far from the "FAIL!!!" retards that run around here, while we may not agree on topic at hand.
Can you name them for me please? (the ones that rolled over and died) See I personally don't agree with asking for support within the first month of a world, but, what good is a tribe if it doesn't help their members? What good is a tribe if it wont support, or help with clearings? To me if they didn't work together, we would be playing village wars, and not what we call Tribal Wars today.
Twisting and spinning, you would be good in politics. Anyone ever tell you that before? I could only imagen what the Manics support forums look like, I'm sure they have a few good players who could hold their own but like I said the few I personally encountered were, less then steller. Mixed villages, didn't even attempt to snipe my noble run, and as soon as one lost his main village he was booted.
You have yet to feel the fury of Manic, I will be one of the first to admit that half of manic are average starters, but once they get their accounts built to a larger standard they are elite with them accounts. Amazing defenders and raiders they are. (I am speaking of the people in manic I know personally, and warred against)
I eagerly await this "fury", and manic better win. I'm 1 guy aginst their 80. If they didn't win that be kinda foollish of them right? So far I'm up 1 nothing, but hey, show's keeping score?
But yet I see you dog tailing the most recent Manic flame threads..
Yet if you actually bothered reading them post I was.. for lack of better words.... picking on someone who decided NOT to add to the topic at hand but rather post a useless post, just to post.
So why bother then, might you ask yourself? I'm sure you will find some facts to demonstrate some poor performance within Manic, but yet I'm sure the same could be said about Pigeon, which I might add is almost no longer around as you stated. Do you really want to go there? Answer if you will, but I can't respond for some time, I will read this topic upon my return.
O yes, Pigeon failed, horribly at that. Between members not keeping up their end of the bargin and my horribly planning absences and my co-leaders inability to maintain a balanced personality, pigeons was doomed from the get go, but please tell me, Where id Pigeons post about their greatness, or where has pigeons been anything other then honest? Have we ever tricked any member into joining so we could attempt to noble them and failed? Did we mass recruite every single member we possible could to try to keep our tribe full? Did we end alliances to war the allied tribe? Please showing me in pigeons short history were we are as colour as Manic is in with their "tactics".
I'm sure you did use them as a nublet, but I'm also fairly certain you still use them today. Your line about succeeding and playing honorably and honestly was soo touching.. You made my heart whole... I will state bluntly your full of it.
Prove it. Find on scrape of evidence post w21(modern worlds?) were I've used a less then fair practice and less then fair play?
No I did not, I do not have the time. But I can very easily find just about anything of your tw experience. I shall do that when I return. But I was not 'HOPING' for anything, I was shining some light on the situation.
Shinning the light on what situation? You were trying to paint Manic as a new player friendly tribe, while at the same time trying to accuse me of being and elitist. How is that "shinning light" Thats called making assumtions, and hoping to that you could make me look like the bad guy. Also kudos on giving Manic an excuse for themselfs, when they fail. "We had alot of new players that is what kept up from being the awesomeness!!"
Now why would I say that? Bravo Bravo, round of applause? Do you think your the only one who as done this? Don't let your ego get to you dear friend.
Once more kudos on the attempted twist, but this one is a little weak don't you think? You accuse me of being an elitist, then, once I showed you wrong on that now, you switch to calling me egotisitcal. But to answer your question, no I'm not the only one who's done it. Actually, one of the reason I did it is because I felt what I learned from some of the players who did it before me should be passed onto a new crowd of players. Its because you know, I actually enjoy a good challenge.
I will say again, every leader leads differently, and obviously KG has a reason for his choices. And when Manic is still at the top a year from now, what then?
If Manic manages to survive a year from now, and some how still be a dominate force, I'll say kudos to them on their hugger ways.
Who said anything about doing everything dirty except yourself? See I think you just contradicted yourself there
"It shows that all Manic cares about is not getting attacked. Really were is the fun in that? This games suppose to be a "WAR!" game not a build and noble barb game."
and your most recent...
"so why piss off potential future team mates? in other worlds, or future allies? or future friends?"
It is a war game after all correct? I am fairly certain that Manic are only pissing off the people that are joining the rim? So umm, yeah..... I am having a hard time even debating with you because you are not giving me anything do work with...
I'm not contridicting myselfs, you can be friends with your enemies if you treat your enemies with respect, and then in a new world have them as friends/tribemates instead of enemies. But see, you don't get that by playing dirty, and using cheap tactics.
Yes this debate is about the dirty tactics of manic and why I feel their leadership should feel ashamed of themselfs for using such tactics.
Yes, your very simple, but yet a good player and a talented leader 'from what I hear'
See, dirty tactics are used within every tribe in one way or another. But the few tribes that the stuff are brought to light on, are bashed by the other tribes doing the same thing, to keep the heat off themselves subconsciously or not its a fact. Its not too hard to figure that one out. There is no honesty in this game, unless you are chatting on skype with some friends, or your allies are long standing and/or you possibly know them from past worlds. P&P is a game of manipulation... How many trick restart mails did you send out Dauthi?
Not every tribe uses dirty tactic, only them who's fear of losing outweights their enjoyment of challenging themselfs. I guess thats why I don't see the need of cheap/dirty tactics. I know that its pointless to think that any one tribe will make it from world start to world finish, with a single world has yet to end, some close to 4 years later. Or maybe its the fact that when I look back and go "Man my tribe and I managed to do xxxx" I don't want it to be marred by a list of horrible things I had to do to get that. Maybe its because I realize its just a game, and that winning or losing it doesn't actually change anything for me in my life? Hard telling why I rather play an honorable game, then a cheap, lazy, and decietful one.
How many "trick" restart mails did I send? 0.
- When/if I ever send any restart mails its usually a "Hey, here is how you restart if your wanting to know." So its not a trick in anyway, its me trying to educate the players around me.
But to answer you actually question, how many e-mails did I send to try to get people to restart? 0
I don't need to send them, most of the time they fail to work, and have a complete opposite effect.
Sadly I didn't get any either.
I'll see you when you get back, I'm sure I'll still be around here in some way or another.
- King
dauthi... you say you dont like dismissing members...i however have no emotion whatsoever towards doing that...
If a player slacks, no matter who he is, a new recruit or an old baron, if he slacks he dies... period
The difference between me and you is, I'd take the time to find out if the player was going to be worth inviting before inviting them. A players personality, can tell you alot about how they are going to act in the game and whether they are going to slack or not. I have no problem removing a member if sad member really is dead weight on the tribe, but I don't like having to do it because really they shouldn't of joined in the first place is they are going to be dead weight.
It'll knock off a lv 8 wall. Are we expecting lv 20 wall at 4k? I usually only go 2 levels of workshop anyway, builds 220 rams as fast as you can make 6k/3.2k or 6.5k/2k/1k for offensive troops.
My build calls for a workshop of lvl 3-4 at its max, yet at 4k points I'd have more then 35 rams. A.) because a 4k village i"m expecting to run into anywere from 15-17 wall lvl B.) I like to break them up with my farming runs every now and then to make sure my auto building barbs arn't building walls. C.) They make for good faking of nearby tribe mates of targets, or same targets multi villages.
If I saw a player with 35 rams, I'd first check their oda and see if it had a recent spike, and if it had look at all the local 10hrs by ram or less players in his area that had a spike in ODd to determine if either could be a noble target. if he hasn't had an oda spike then I'd most likly noble him while laughing personally.
what I'd be more embarrest about though for manic is a player like this..
Defender: Ravensbane3468
Village: Ravens Hut (597|397) K35
Quantity: 479 489 1097 150 50 569 135 0 80 25 1 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Espionage
Resources scouted: 61.453 73.770 58.474
Dem D troops are all his, and his reasoning for having so much resources was because " is farms were maxed and he was building smithy's right now." The only reason I didn't clear him and noble him is because I decided to go after his neighbore and manic ended up stacking him(atleast thats what I was told, never checked so I figured they so good at teamwork they probably did.)
And finally u6s5l., I wouldn't say I hate manic, more likly hate the fact they feel they have to use cheap tactics to win.
