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Deleted User - 4669627

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we all know why your perception of me and my leadership changed

wickerman violated our most important policy and was not made duke
nothing to do with me, nothing to do with shahzad who did become duke

but shave liked wickerman, so it did not matter who was honorable, who was true, who was loyal, who was honest anymore than it mattered that wickerman was a liar and a traitor

none of that mattered

what mattered was shave liked wickerman and wickerman was not duke :icon_cry:

but shave was not stupid, they knew that would not be popular
so they posted lies instead
 
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DeletedUser

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i was the leader at one point, the point where everybody had high expectations of us


i could show a lot of quotes from when i did lead
it is only after i stepped down that the future of the tribe became questionable

so your logic now is that i am NOT responsible for what happened while i was leading, but i WAS responsible for what happened after i stopped leading

idk mate, that sort of seems backwards don't you think?

Very true :icon_razz:, you failures were put up on the forums much much before PITA war started
 

Deleted User - 4669627

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Very true :icon_razz:, you failures were put up on the forums much much before PITA war started

if that were true you could quote them, so by all means, do so

if you can in fact find 2 posts showing shave hating on me BEFORE wickerman was not made duke (before i stepped down), quote them

if you can find any from pita, please quote them

i recall scrappy (kp) posting a lot of crap about me, and i can show you where both shave and pita posted that they did not endorse scrappy at all

in fact, i can show where slinki, waves, weisnubs, shave, posted in our support

i can find a lot of posts saying we were a very promising tribe, but i cannot seem to find any speaking of our failures

so help me out mate
 
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DeletedUser

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don't bother people, there's no point trying to prove anything to this failure.
 

Deleted User - 4669627

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i can find a lot of posts saying we were a very promising tribe, but i cannot seem to find any speaking of our failures

so help me out mate
don't bother people, there's no point trying to prove anything to this failure.
contestant #1

here is what he was saying about our tribe before i stepped down...

I'm not saying =X merge was bad, but in comparison to Shave's merge, I can tell you now that shave's merge was better.
he compared us to the #1 tribe

and in regards to scrappy...

i recall scrappy (kp) posting a lot of crap about me, and i can show you where both shave and pita posted that they did not endorse scrappy at all
here is kensta reply to allegations that scrappy was pita

I can tell Scrappy Dum is PITA member from how he is trying to deface shahyd hehe :p
No PITA player would do that to =X members, especially on externals for the world to see. Also, shahyd said respect to PITA a few posts ago, showing that there is no hate between the two tribes.
there was no hate, but now there is hate?

we were compared to the #1 tribe before i stepped down, but i am a failure?

no pita player would try to deface =X members on the externals, but they would?

my history with pita has been nothing except respectful and honorable
idk why you would wish to dishonor yourself now
 
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DeletedUser

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then help him quote them
we are looking for quotes from 2011

start posting them

Am not as jobless as you to sit on externals all day, argue about a lost cause in a virtual world :icon_cool:

I don't need to prove anything anyways, people here know who is what :)
 

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Am not as jobless as you to sit on externals all day, argue about a lost cause in a virtual world :icon_cool:

I don't need to prove anything anyways, people here know who is what :)

yeah, I'm just surprised that failure would stick around for so long. :icon_razz:
 

DeletedUser103771

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Crowbaby has joined -KP-.

That's an interesting recruit none the less.

Could we maybe get some insight or reasoning ?

Cheers (yes).
 

DeletedUser

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Crowbaby has joined -KP-.

That's an interesting recruit none the less.

Could we maybe get some insight or reasoning ?

Cheers (yes).

I will try to answer that, I don't want to get into a flame war or drag things out, so I'll just give you my reasoning and then disappear, never to respond again!

I was recruited to =X by Anthills, who helped me out and whom I have a lot of respect for. I liked the tribe's principles. I'm a pretty confident person, so where others felt Ant bullied them or was rude, I just saw a guy who was stressed or frustrated at times.

I was never involved in or consulted on leadership, which is fine, I'm a noob after all. I stayed loyal and fought hard for the tribe, doing my best to work closely with other members. Generally I enjoyed it, though the constant fallings out and people leaving, sometimes returning, were hard to take. During an open process to choose new leadership, half of our members deserted, then the rest followed, the tribe was dissolved and the war lost. Obviously people have different justifications for what they did, and I'm sure there's lots of "he said, she said" nonsense which anyone can make up or interpret as they please.

It was not easy to choose what to do next, and not a decision taken lightly, I spent a couple of days virtually alone in =X in the middle of a war zone, and then a day tribeless.

I had a lot of conversations with mates who had joined Happy Faces, but I could not get any information about the new tribe's leadership, policies or plans. All they could say was 'join this tribe because we have'. Now, actually that was a strong argument, and it was hard not to just go with the crowd. However, they could not answer my concerns that strategically they are in a terrible situation, they have too many wannabe leaders with different priorities, and they have accepted even players who let us down badly in the war.

Set against that was KP, who I had experience of being on the receiving end of. Through the war I had conversations with many of their players, who seemed to be enjoying the game as much as I was. I never asked for, nor received, any quarter or special favours (Except when I told a player he should send some real attacks, not just fakes, and he obliged :)) I should clarify that I approached KP, not the other way around.

I have been called a traitor and mocked by some for my choice, but generally my old colleagues have been understanding, and some have no hesitation in continuing to play with me, by sending attacks :p

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optional reading, to answer some criticisms,
[spoil]
my most unpleasant critic so far is someone whom i had never spoken with before, who deserted =X for Light, before coming back, taking no part in the war (War ODA 1.793 - ODD 290 - vill caps 0 - losses 0) and then being among the first to desert again for Happy Faces - but to them I'm the one who is a traitor!

People say I've forgotten the mates who helped me out. I'm afraid that's my fault, in a way: I was effusive in our internal forums thanking people for support, but often it wasn't all that special. I did receive generous support from a few good mates during the war, but I lost nearly as many troops supporting others as the tribe lost supporting me. A number of players did their bit for the war effort and for the tribe, myself included.

Other than those few good mates, well, I don't consider it all that special to be lent 1k of spears from players with 5+ villages way behind the line and an ODD under 1k, but I suppose it's better than those who didn't support anyone. I don't feel that I have turned my back on any great personal debt.

I took my assigned target villages, and then more, even when I was under attack, until I had no offensive troops left. Many of our members never attacked at all, even some who had agreed to clear enemy villages to our rear at the beginning of the war.

Nobody stopped to wonder if they should desert me? Locally, I was the one being attacked, I had held the frontline behind which they were sheltering. I had killed around 20 nukes and 36 nobles, as well as sniping for others. My villages were battered, most were rebuilding walls and some recovering loyalty. Tribemates knew I had only beaten off the last two attacks by combining absolutely all my remaining def in one village each time. My nearest neighbour went dormant with all his troops at home. I can understand people leaving, but we're not talking paragons of selflessness here.

I would have stayed in any tribe with my mates in it, but that is different to joining a new one; one that I see as doomed, started by splitters and full of refugees. Had the leadership of :D immediately declared on KP and PITA I might have felt compelled to join and continue the war, but they did not, because they were running from it.

I wasn't happy with the options I had, but I'll stand by my choice and everyday I'm more convinced that it was the right one
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DeletedUser103771

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I respect your decision and wish you well for the future.

However I would like to add,

Without =x / U N M / :D your ass would be on the rim.

Thanks for the response.
 

DeletedUser

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Side 1:
Tribes: PITA
Side 2:
Tribes: :D

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 12
Side 2: 2
Difference: 10

chart


Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 80,837
Side 2: 14,941
Difference: 65,896

chart
 

Deleted User - 4669627

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I respect your decision and wish you well for the future.

However I would like to add,

Without =x / U N M / :D your ass would be on the rim.

Thanks for the response.

nothing but respect for crowbaby

crowbaby worked with his team and his team kept him alive and he kept them alive
most of the tribe had nothing to do with his success or failure

the troops sent to crow as support kept our enemies from attacking other mates
crowbaby would certainly have given any of you his incomings and supported you instead
the support sent to him was to defend your own villages

in fact, it was the best investment any of you could make in regards to your own villages, every bit as solid as investing troops for me and shahz to hold the front line

he was always on top of things

he communicated well
he stacked when he should stack
he sniped where he should snipe
he prenobled where he should prenoble

he held the front line and kept attacks from being launched into our interior against those who supported him

in the end, all the tribe left him, not the other way around
 
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