darkrence
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id say 3000 hc would be a big hc for that purpose. i would think other units might be better suited but i guess it would have to be swords for the sreason your looking at.. defend and attack.
DeletedUser
Guest
Not really the most efficient time wise though. There's a good 100+ hours difference between Rax/Stable queues (i.e. stable finishes 100+ hours earlier). My usual D would consist of:
4921 spears
4000 archers
2k HC
It doesn't take long to build, and still kills off a decent amount. :3
My O/D builds vary though, it'd be boring having the same build all the way through. ^^
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DeletedUser22924
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i think ur build could be better, try this
7k spears
5k swords
1.5k HC
takes a bit longer to fully build but u'll always have HC to stack with.
7k spears
5k swords
1.5k HC
takes a bit longer to fully build but u'll always have HC to stack with.
DeletedUser
Guest
First of all I only read the first post, nothing else, so don't flame me for not knowing something that's been said. 
I saw this and decided to test some builds to see what I could get.
The defense I came up with:
6535 Spears
2000 Archers
100 Scouts (Just to keep it the same as what you have)
2000 HC
This takes 9 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 18 seconds to build. (Speed 2 world)
Your's takes 8 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds to build.
This is a difference of 7 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds. Not all that much in the long run.
Here are the results to how it did against your nuke along with your defense:
As you can see, you lose more troops/resources, and your build takes more resources to build.
Resources used to build my defense: 931,750 wood, 561,050 clay, 1,387,350 iron
Resources used to build your defense: 981,450 wood, 586,650 clay, 1,453,050 iron
My build costs 49,700 wood, 25,600 clay and 65,700 iron less than yours.
When nuked, you lose 101,680 wood, 57,610 clay and 144,510 iron more than what I lose.
On top of all that, your wall is downgraded to 7, while mine is only downgraded to 8.
Now for the rebuild times...
Mine rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 3 hours, 13 minutes and 46 seconds.
Your's rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 35 seconds
That's a difference of 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds.
So... as for the 3 things you mentioned:
Speed: Your's builds faster initially, while mine rebuilds from losses quicker assuming it was only hit with 1 nuke.
Efficiency: Mine kills more for it's build.
Versatility: They both have the same versatility really.
Anyways, I hope I inspired all of you!
I saw this and decided to test some builds to see what I could get.
The defense I came up with:
6535 Spears
2000 Archers
100 Scouts (Just to keep it the same as what you have)
2000 HC
This takes 9 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 18 seconds to build. (Speed 2 world)
Your's takes 8 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds to build.
This is a difference of 7 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds. Not all that much in the long run.
Here are the results to how it did against your nuke along with your defense:
As you can see, you lose more troops/resources, and your build takes more resources to build.
Resources used to build my defense: 931,750 wood, 561,050 clay, 1,387,350 iron
Resources used to build your defense: 981,450 wood, 586,650 clay, 1,453,050 iron
My build costs 49,700 wood, 25,600 clay and 65,700 iron less than yours.
When nuked, you lose 101,680 wood, 57,610 clay and 144,510 iron more than what I lose.
On top of all that, your wall is downgraded to 7, while mine is only downgraded to 8.
Now for the rebuild times...
Mine rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 3 hours, 13 minutes and 46 seconds.
Your's rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 35 seconds
That's a difference of 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds.
So... as for the 3 things you mentioned:
Speed: Your's builds faster initially, while mine rebuilds from losses quicker assuming it was only hit with 1 nuke.
Efficiency: Mine kills more for it's build.
Versatility: They both have the same versatility really.
Anyways, I hope I inspired all of you!
DeletedUser
Guest
First of all I only read the first post, nothing else, so don't flame me for not knowing something that's been said.
I saw this and decided to test some builds to see what I could get...
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The defense I came up with:
6535 Spears
2000 Archers
100 Scouts (Just to keep it the same as what you have)
2000 HC
This takes 9 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 18 seconds to build. (Speed 2 world)
Your's takes 8 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds to build.
This is a difference of 7 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds. Not all that much in the long run.
Here are the results to how it did against your nuke along with your defense:
As you can see, you lose more troops/resources, and your build takes more resources to build.
Resources used to build my defense: 931,750 wood, 561,050 clay, 1,387,350 iron
Resources used to build your defense: 981,450 wood, 586,650 clay, 1,453,050 iron
My build costs 49,700 wood, 25,600 clay and 65,700 iron less than yours.
When nuked, you lose 101,680 wood, 57,610 clay and 144,510 iron more than what I lose.
On top of all that, your wall is downgraded to 7, while mine is only downgraded to 8.
Now for the rebuild times...
Mine rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 3 hours, 13 minutes and 46 seconds.
Your's rebuilds the losses in 7 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 35 seconds
That's a difference of 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds.
So... as for the 3 things you mentioned:
Speed: Your's builds faster initially, while mine rebuilds from losses quicker assuming it was only hit with 1 nuke.
Efficiency: Mine kills more for it's build.
Versatility: They both have the same versatility really.
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Anyways, I hope I inspired all of you!
First off may i say yes you did inspire me, yes i was extremely bored waiting for some farm runs to return on en47 and yes i can be extremely OCD when it comes to efficient troop builds/timings. :icon_razz:
I took your build of:
6535 spears
2000 archers
100 scouts
2000 hcav
(20735 pop)
barracks finish production in 442 hours, 56 minutes, 36 seconds.
stables finish production in 420 hours, 56 minutes, 11 seconds.
Figured out my optimum build for such a population limit:
9111 spears
100 scouts
1904 hcav
(20735 pop)
barracks finish production in 400 hours, 58 minutes, 58 seconds.
stables finish production in 400 hours, 58 minutes, 11 seconds.
Thus when my build is complete you have:
90.53% of your barrack troops produced (2dp)
5916 spears (0dp)
1811 archers (0dp)
95.26% of your stable troops produced (2dp)
95 scouts (0dp)
1905 hcav (0dp)
My build:
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Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Losses: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Defender Units: 9111 0 0 0 100 0 0 1904 0 0 0 0 841.350 563.930 1.235.510 20.735
Losses: 7261 0 0 0 80 0 0 1517 0 0 0 0 670.450 449.380 984.410 16.523
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 12
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Your troops built at same point:
[spoil]
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Losses: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Defender Units: 5916 0 0 1811 100 0 0 1905 0 0 0 0 862.900 522.560 1.312.820 19.357
Losses: 5126 0 0 1569 87 0 0 1651 0 0 0 0 747.750 452.850 1.137.740 16.775
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11
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I go by the theory that war is about how many troops you can rebuild to field, when you're on the frontline it's the most important thing.
To go further by utilizing the workshop:
7100 spears
100 scouts
1479 hcav
461 cats
(20735 - 72 (for workshop 15) = 20633 pop)
barracks finish production in 312 hours, 39 minutes, 11 seconds.
stables finish production in 312 hours, 38 minutes, 10 seconds.
workshop finishes production in 312 hours, 06 minutes, 51 seconds.
Thus when this build is complete you have:
70.59% of your barrack troops produced (2dp)
4613 spears (0dp)
1412 archers (0dp)
74.15% of your stable troops produced (2dp)
74 scouts (0dp)
1483 hcav (0dp)
The cat build:
[spoil]
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Losses: 0 0 5899 0 0 2890 308 0 212 0 0 0 855.790 539.170 1.047.060 20.059
Defender Units: 7100 0 0 0 100 0 0 1479 0 461 0 0 803.320 624.250 1.006.500 19.862
Losses: 7100 0 0 0 100 0 0 1479 0 461 0 0 803.320 624.250 1.006.500 19.862
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 10
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Your troops built at same point:
[spoil]
Attacker Units: 0 0 6250 0 0 2940 320 0 225 0 0 0 890.000 558.500 1.078.000 20.735
Losses: 0 0 5663 0 0 2187 223 0 204 0 0 0 730.105 451.690 847.520 16.546
Defender Units: 4613 0 0 1412 74 0 0 1483 0 0 0 0 672.150 406.900 1.022.130 15.071
Losses: 4613 0 0 1412 74 0 0 1483 0 0 0 0 672.150 406.900 1.022.130 15.071
The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 8
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Sorry i couldn't be bothered to print screen and upload the simulations, but looking at the results may show that there really is no perfect universal troops build, it all depends on how much time you have to build, move and stack troops and of course, what offensive build your attacker is using. The small differences shown in the results of the simulations will be significantly increased when stacks and multiple villages are brought into play, resources mean little at a stage of the game where most villages have res pits high enough to support constant production in all troops buildings as well as spare for coins and building queues. :icon_wink:
