Player vs Player 2001 Round 4

[DeletedUser]

Players Previously Eliminated:
u6s5l (robonot)
Monsterbro (cyclopz)
Auguthy2 (kafs)
Crazyplayer4
JonnyFlame
Lamarth
Haza Teh Great
Lavim


Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: (12-0)

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: (4-5)

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: (3-8)

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: (5-6)


Will post the next round tonight

 

[DeletedUser78416]

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: *

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: *

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: Huge advantage village wise, clear cut winner

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: *

* The village count difference in each match-up is enough to sway the tide, however, even though there has to be a loser, I believe each match-up would take forever

 

[DeletedUser]

lol Gammy.. Once again I admire your stubbornness to vote it in your own particular way. To me it's not particularly about how big they are now or the circumstances which brought them to this size. It's more about how they would fare on the battlefield, with the same amount of time in rl to one another, same villages, no support, etc etc

Anyway:

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: Manly as looking at twstats he's taken villages from an impressive variety of Plight players over the past months, some very active.

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: I have to abstain - I know some of what malck can do and nothing of Rascal except reputation

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: My fave tag team

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: Again I have to abstain - Adam's only tried to attack me once with nukes and nobles in K33 I think and so has Obryant (unless i'm thinking of the time I sat the pedro account towards the end of July last year?) whilst i've been playing.. they both failed to get a village but I don't think either we're trying so I cannot choose

 

[DeletedUser78416]

STUFF

Yet again, you are adding dynamics to the competition that aren't a part of it. You can't take accomplishments made by a player, which include growth (which comes from 'Nobling a variety of Plight players') and then handicap that player because you only have half their village count.

This is a run whatcha brung competition, unless I have been completely wrong about the meaning of player vs. player.

My stubborness? What's ironic about that is I'm being honest, yet you and others in some cases have voted for yourselves just because...even though the players you voted for yourself against would win. :icon_rolleyes: another case in point...gamecat vs crosamich. Are you kidding? Almost a 600 village deficit and you vote for him because he is your old friend. This competition is supposed to be based on facts, and no offense to gamecat, but anyone in their right mind knows crosamich wins that battle.

If everything in a player vs. player competition were: "It's more about how they would fare on the battlefield, with the same amount of time in rl to one another, same villages, no support, etc etc", then why have a competition at all, if everything is the same? The winner would be the one who didn't forget to pay their power bill.

 

[DeletedUser]

Gammy, you're wrong. This competition was initially started by me, and with the intent of voting exactly how Jonny is voting. It's not about "who is bigger", but who is better at consistently splitting trains, who is better at managing their troops, who is better at taking enemy villages, and who is better at planning out attacks/fakes. Those are what make a player vs. player round...or at least, that's how it initially was. You and a few others have placed your own twist on it, but don't attempt to criticize Jonny if he still goes by the original voting method.

 

[DeletedUser]

Random blab

As i've mentioned before, if it we're to go the way you want it to go then what is the point in playing?

Is it just an ego trip for the top 4 players in w16 as they are the largest? There is literally no point.

This is hopefully influenced by the factors I mentioned above and obviously also influenced by friends and ally's to a degree as we know them more and can vouch for their skill.

There is 'always' going to be a bias to this sort of thing (which I think is why you got angry last time we had a pvp pnp comp) but at this stage in the game we know each other a little more and lets be honest.. if I met any of you down the pub I would buy you a pint and have a laugh with you.

I will always try to be non biased with these votes and have done based on my experiences with the player in question. If I have no idea I will not vote on guesswork but abstain. I voted for gamecat in this instance as they left the tribe before the war began (or at the start of the war, I forget) and have consistently managed to keep their villages and expand. I have 'massive' respect for them as i'm sure all of the c2 players who have been with them since they left Plight.

I voted for myself in instances where I truly believe I could win (even if it was close).. that's why I voted against myself the last round. I'm too old now to take these things personally and I'm actually very happy that C2 players have recognised me at all as competition.

I may just write to TW as they are missing a trick. They should have a premium based 1v1 grudge match which lasts a few weeks as that would be the true test


JF

 

[DeletedUser]

As i've mentioned before, if it we're to go the way you want it to go then what is the point in playing?

Is it just an ego trip for the top 4 players in w16 as they are the largest? There is literally no point.

This is hopefully influenced by the factors I mentioned above and obviously also influenced by friends and ally's to a degree as we know them more and can vouch for their skill.

There is 'always' going to be a bias to this sort of thing (which I think is why you got angry last time we had a pvp pnp comp) but at this stage in the game we know each other a little more and lets be honest.. if I met any of you down the pub I would buy you a pint and have a laugh with you.

I will always try to be non biased with these votes and have done based on my experiences with the player in question. If I have no idea I will not vote on guesswork but abstain. I voted for gamecat in this instance as they left the tribe before the war began (or at the start of the war, I forget) and have consistently managed to keep their villages and expand. I have 'massive' respect for them as i'm sure all of the c2 players who have been with them since they left Plight.

I voted for myself in instances where I truly believe I could win (even if it was close).. that's why I voted against myself the last round. I'm too old now to take these things personally and I'm actually very happy that C2 players have recognised me at all as competition.

I may just write to TW as they are missing a trick. They should have a premium based 1v1 grudge match which lasts a few weeks as that would be the true test


JF

Thank you for reinforcing what I said prior.

 

[DeletedUser]

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: Nothing stops "The Jeor"

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: Wow, not sure but because I need to pick a winner.....

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: Just a function of two people being better than one

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: I think I would win, but we have such different styles that its just hard to say

 

[DeletedUser58923]

Yet again, you are adding dynamics to the competition that aren't a part of it. You can't take accomplishments made by a player, which include growth (which comes from 'Nobling a variety of Plight players') and then handicap that player because you only have half their village count.

This is a run whatcha brung competition, unless I have been completely wrong about the meaning of player vs. player.

My stubborness? What's ironic about that is I'm being honest, yet you and others in some cases have voted for yourselves just because...even though the players you voted for yourself against would win. :icon_rolleyes: another case in point...gamecat vs crosamich. Are you kidding? Almost a 600 village deficit and you vote for him because he is your old friend. This competition is supposed to be based on facts, and no offense to gamecat, but anyone in their right mind knows crosamich wins that battle.

If everything in a player vs. player competition were: "It's more about how they would fare on the battlefield, with the same amount of time in rl to one another, same villages, no support, etc etc", then why have a competition at all, if everything is the same? The winner would be the one who didn't forget to pay their power bill.

so that fact that i have almost 100 more war conquers against plight then he does must mean nothing, the fact that im 10x more active then he is due to him being busy irl must mean nothing, the fact that my oda, odd and od is way higher then his means nothing. but oh wait, hes got more villages then i do. hes been in c2 way longer and c2 has always internalized their inactives providing more growth, whereas i was in plight for about a year, having practically 0 growth.

now im not trying to say justin isnt good or deserve where he is, but the way you base your votes is, quite frankly, quite dumb. and no offense to justin again, hes a good player, but hes not the 'best' at anything he does. i honestly feel if we fought, the victor would be me by a decent margin.

with your logic, since bundybear has more villages then a crapload of player, including you, he must be better then everyone he is ranked higher than. now i know even you know that theres no way in hell bundy could manage to fend off any of the active c2 players in a 1v1. but then again with your logic, barely anyone can beat him.

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: just to beastly

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: - have to abstain. quite literally no clue.

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: - as mentioned above.

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: - only because ive never seen ob have to defend anything i dont know how well hed do lol.

 

[DeletedUser]

And another one to make the same point I made before. At least I'm not feeling like a lonely idiot anymore :icon_razz:.

 

[DeletedUser78416]

Firstly, player vs player threads have been around long before you supposedly invented them orel.

If Jonny can vote on Gamecat vs Jurasu (crosamich) because they are old chums, I should be able to use my own logic in determining who I choose and why.

ODD means crap in all reality, especially in a player vs player competition.

We are voting on who we, as individuals, think would win in a one on one battle. I am not just looking at who has more villages. I already said if Monsterbro was on a 1000+ vill account, I'd vote for the more skilled player on the smaller account. This is why Adam listed the account name and the player on the account, for forum posting reference.

This is actually ridiculous that people are crying because they got voted against. Gamecat, you are way out of line to criticize me for voting against you. That's just so 8th grade of you. I'm so sorry sugar that you think you could overcome a decent player on an account that has 400 more villages than you, just because you are on Plights front line and your stacked villages get nuked so your ODD is high. More villages equals more troops, which would equal more nukes. This game favors offense, not people who think ODD actually means something...:icon_rolleyes: Lets not forget, you probably acquired 3/4's of your ODD while using many other players troops stacked in your vills. This competition is one on one...and him being a decent player with more offense at his disposal, case closed. Now, if you were an elite bad ass, it might be different. But to that extent, if you were, you'd have more villages than you do now.

I apologize for not mentioning I checked the stats on everyone I voted for or against. I never really wrote out my equation work in Algebra either.

And speaking of checking twstats, where are you (Gamecat) coming up with having 100 more war conquers than Crosamich? I see both of you having 10 pages of Plight conquers. I hope you aren't counting your last 4 pages of internals while you were still in Plight :icon_rolleyes:

But for being 10 times more active than he is and him having just as many war conquers as you...what does that say about you?

Since you guys want to make this everything equal...I guess he'd theoretically have 1000 war conquers wouldn't he? Since if everything is equal, he is now as equally as active as you.

As I said before, unless someone who does these specifically states the criteria for voting, its run whatcha brung.

I don't believe anyone that was in this competition, with the exception of the robonot account and the kafs account, would get run through and smashed by anyone else. I say them only because they have the smaller accounts with less villages. And in case anyone gets freaked out by that...you have to have villages to have troops. They kind of go hand in hand, so the player with more villages/troops at their disposal, to me, has the advantage. And since everyone in this competition is a good player in their own way, some being great players, I'd say there is little room for squabbling skill wise. And here I've been told for years now that I had an ego problem. I vote against myself using the same criteria I use for others and I have the ego? :lol:

 

[DeletedUser]

Firstly, player vs player threads have been around long before you supposedly invented them orel.

If Jonny can vote on Gamecat vs Jurasu (crosamich) because they are old chums, I should be able to use my own logic in determining who I choose and why.

ODD means crap in all reality, especially in a player vs player competition.

We are voting on who we, as individuals, think would win in a one on one battle. I am not just looking at who has more villages. I already said if Monsterbro was on a 1000+ vill account, I'd vote for the more skilled player on the smaller account. This is why Adam listed the account name and the player on the account, for forum posting reference.

This is actually ridiculous that people are crying because they got voted against. Gamecat, you are way out of line to criticize me for voting against you. That's just so 8th grade of you. I'm so sorry sugar that you think you could overcome a decent player on an account that has 400 more villages than you, just because you are on Plights front line and your stacked villages get nuked so your ODD is high. More villages equals more troops, which would equal more nukes. This game favors offense, not people who think ODD actually means something...:icon_rolleyes: Lets not forget, you probably acquired 3/4's of your ODD while using many other players troops stacked in your vills. This competition is one on one...and him being a decent player with more offense at his disposal, case closed. Now, if you were an elite bad, it might be different. But to that extent, if you were, you'd have more villages than you do now.

I apologize for not mentioning I checked the stats on everyone I voted for or against. I never really wrote out my equation work in Algebra either.

And speaking of checking twstats, where are you (Gamecat) coming up with having 100 more war conquers than Crosamich? I see both of you having 10 pages of Plight conquers. I hope you aren't counting your last 4 pages of internals while you were still in Plight :icon_rolleyes:

But for being 10 times more active than he is and him having just as many war conquers as you...what does that say about you?

Since you guys want to make this everything equal...I guess he'd theoretically have 1000 war conquers wouldn't he? Since if everything is equal, he is now as equally as active as you.

As I said before, unless someone who does these specifically states the criteria for voting, its run whatcha brung.

I don't believe anyone that was in this competition, with the exception of the robonot account and the kafs account, would get run through and smashed by anyone else. I say them only because they have the smaller accounts with less villages. And in case anyone gets freaked out by that...you have to have villages to have troops. They kind of go hand in hand, so the player with more villages/troops at their disposal, to me, has the advantage. And since everyone in this competition is a good player in their own way, some being great players, I'd say there is little room for squabbling skill wise. And here I've been told for years now that I had an ego problem. I vote against myself using the same criteria I use for others and I have the ego? :lol:

You completely missed the point, yet again. And no, I never invented these, nor did I say I did. The competition here, was started by me. Seems to me you're the angry one here, though.

 

[DeletedUser78416]

Why would I be angry? I just explain myself thoroughly, that's all.

You don't see me crying because people think Jeor or Obryant would beat me in a one on one battle. I agree, the stats are in their favor. I know I am a good player, I don't have to justify it to everyone else by pitching a fit like you, jonny and gamecat did.

I didn't choose any of your paths on this world, nor did I elect Jeor or obryant to have 1600 villages each either. They obtained those villages the same way adam attains villages, and rascal, etc. They go out and noble them. I take into consideration the entire scope of what I know of a players skills and the stats they have achieved on their accounts.

It's not about "who is bigger", but who is better at consistently splitting trains, who is better at managing their troops, who is better at taking enemy villages, and who is better at planning out attacks/fakes. Those are what make a player vs. player round

The bottom line is you don't think you would lose to a player, or would accept a loss to a player who has a larger account, because you feel you are better than everyone else. I can take your statement and dissect it to make my points valid and yours moot and submissible to my own. Case in point:

-Splitting trains...trains are old news in case you have been lying under a rock. What if a player sends single nobles escorted by nukes...you going to split those as well? And what if they time in nukes in between each nuke escorted noble?

-managing troops...this can go a few different ways, but a player who uses their troops to grow is one who manages better in my opinion. Growth pwns everything, remember that.

-Taking enemy villages...this is debatable because there are active and inactive enemies. A better score to go by is sniping a village back from an enemy that took one from you. However and sadly, a lot of these hidden little gems can't be seen by others. Maybe you lost 60 villages, but retook 58 of them and kept them...that would be an impressive stat to have, but finding it out a bit difficult and time consuming.

-Planning out attacks and fakes...again, debatable and furthermore extremely moot. We need concrete things to go by, not hypothetical things someone may or may not do, or may or may not even be able to do.

You are essentially preaching to the choir, it's just that you are singing a different tune.

I am making this extremely simple, by most means, and you guys are trying to add in values that no one can put a number or figure on. How are we suppose to know how each player plans attacks, or their thoughts on defending or sniping or to dodge or not to dodge. Who cares, really.

You show me a player on a 1500 vill account who takes nothing but barbs and has 500k ODA, against a player on a 800 vill account who has 50% war conquers, 75 million ODA and I'd pick the 800 village account player any day of the week.

Furthermore, this is all hypothetical regardless. Getting upset about a silly vote is not only retarded, but it is also retarded. See what I did there?

 

[DeletedUser78416]

#1 2009,September 27th, 18:44 Top
Stole this idea from W24.

Anyways, sign up if you're interested. The game is as follows:

Each person who signs up is randomly assigned (through a number generator) another player. The two are then in a "mock" player vs. player battle. Everyone who watches this thread will then vote on who they think will win each round after all the pairings have been made, and the winners advance to be pitted against another player, until we have the one player everyone thinks is best.

Sound good?

Sign up! Aiming for 16 players at least .

1. u6s5l.
2. alba385
3. Lucifyr
4. legendry
5. dopeas
6. truscott6
7. Stalhill
8. Crosamich
9. macondude
10. violett
11. Haza teh Great
12. Adamjrose2
13. SavikTKR
14. AxlTheCat
15. Seagryfn
16. SharkyH20

Orel, here is your original pvp thread opener. Where were all these guidelines you said were part of the original thread?

Making things up again are we? :icon_rolleyes:

 

[shveik]

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1: Huh ... Tough and easy ... Looks like we all against Gammy :icon_cry: ...

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat: Tied for sure :icon_cool:

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat: Jurasu is my man :icon_razz:

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2: Will be good one I think ...

BTW in that case why we start from Quarter finals ... Am I miss miss something ? :icon_neutral: And were is SharkyH2O :icon_razz:, not sure but he won at least 3 or 4 times or even more these kind of competition in Center/CND and here in external forums ...

Edit: Not sure but that thread is called "Player vs Player 2001 Round 4" for a reason or just I'm late with only 10 years ?

 

[DeletedUser]

I keep doing this when I am tired, and as such keep putting 2001 instead of 2011.

 

[DeletedUser58923]

assuming to pretend like you know what i meant with what i said, which you CLEARLY don't, leads to ignorance. not a very pleasant side of people i must say. i could give a rats fart about what people think about who would win a hypothetical 1v1. its opinions, and you know the saying: an opinion is like a butthole, everyone has their own and they all stink. i was simply saying what i was saying cause i didnt appreciate the fact that you said that a fight against me and justin was: '.gamecat vs crosamich. Are you kidding? Almost a 600 village deficit and you vote for him because he is your old friend. This competition is supposed to be based on facts, and no offense to gamecat, but anyone in their right mind knows crosamich wins that battle.'

you can say no offense all you want, but thats a buncha crap. whether he would rim me or not, i really dont care, i have very little drive left in me for the game to care, im just doing my part to help the world end so i can be there. if it wasnt for amber i would have done quit a year and a half ago. the point of what i was saying wasnt to cause an argument or anything of the sort, i just felt very disrespected by a tribemate by not giving credit where credit is due.

 

[DeletedUser78416]

assuming to pretend like you know what i meant with what i said, which you CLEARLY don't, leads to ignorance. not a very pleasant side of people i must say. i could give a rats fart about what people think about who would win a hypothetical 1v1. its opinions, and you know the saying: an opinion is like a butthole, everyone has their own and they all stink. i was simply saying what i was saying cause i didnt appreciate the fact that you said that a fight against me and justin was: '.gamecat vs crosamich. Are you kidding? Almost a 600 village deficit and you vote for him because he is your old friend. This competition is supposed to be based on facts, and no offense to gamecat, but anyone in their right mind knows crosamich wins that battle.'

you can say no offense all you want, but thats a buncha crap. whether he would rim me or not, i really dont care, i have very little drive left in me for the game to care, im just doing my part to help the world end so i can be there. if it wasnt for amber i would have done quit a year and a half ago. the point of what i was saying wasnt to cause an argument or anything of the sort, i just felt very disrespected by a tribemate by not giving credit where credit is due.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't post. First, you were 10x more active than your opponent, now you say you don't have any drive and were going to quit a year ago. Make up your mind. I'm sorry your guy's/gals egos are too big for this game...which is supposed to be for fun anyhow. But, as I said way back when...this is a popularity contest and very few folks actually use facts and stats to vote with. Oh, and I'm also sorry that my opinion is wrong and I haven't assimilated myself to adapt to your culture of voting criteria. I forgot you guys were the Borg.

I lost twice and am now out. I guess I'll go Blog about it and cry myself a river.

Wait, no...I won't :icon_razz: I will continue to vote on folks based on actual in game stats and facts...and not cry about it along the way.

 

[monsterbro]

Game 23: Jeor vs The Gammy 1:

Game 24: Malckam vs Rascal-the-cat:

Game 25: Jurasu (Crosamich) vs. Gamecat:

Game 26: Obryant vs. Adamjrose2:

 

[DeletedUser]

Gammy is back to his usual troll self again, I see. Oh well, I suppose not reading his own posts would indeed contribute to the lack of oversight on why people see him as an angry person in his responses, and how offensive he's being.

If you think we care that much, too bad, because you clearly don't understand.

And no, there were no "guidelines", and I never said there were. But when people ran their votes and their decisions, it was based on actual skill, not player account size. How do you think we placed two moderators in there, if not? It wasn't account size factoring in at all Gammy, and if you read the post itself you'd probably see that.