Sith.F Vs MTS.F Re-Opened

[DeletedUser]

Ok Since the other thread has been locked - Here we go again.

I promise to keep it clean if you do


Side 1:
Tribes: SITH SITH!
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: MTS =MTS= *MTS*
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 149
Side 2: 623
Difference: 474

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 1,409,639
Side 2: 5,823,080
Difference: 4,413,441

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: MTS
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 41
Side 2: 72
Difference: 31

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 387,786
Side 2: 672,312
Difference: 284,526

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: *MTS*
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 11
Side 2: 82
Difference: 71

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 106,946
Side 2: 779,436
Difference: 672,490

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: =MTS=
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22
Side 2: 75
Difference: 53

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 202,962
Side 2: 692,927
Difference: 489,965

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH!
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: =MTS=
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 14
Side 2: 73
Difference: 59

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 132,692
Side 2: 695,631
Difference: 562,939

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH!
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: *MTS*
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 27
Side 2: 152
Difference: 125

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 253,763
Side 2: 1,396,266
Difference: 1,142,503

Side 1:
Tribes: SITH!
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: MTS
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 09/12/2009 22:17:37

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 34
Side 2: 169
Difference: 135

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 325,490
Side 2: 1,586,508
Difference: 1,261,018

 

[DeletedUser]

I will make sure this will not be spammed, and I will be extra strict on any post that is spam.

 

[DeletedUser]

Expanded stats:
Side 1:
Tribes: SITH SITH!
Players:

Side 2:
Tribes: MTS =MTS= *MTS*
Players:

Timeframe: 10/11/2009 00:00:00 to 10/12/2009 04:01:22

Total conquers:

Side 1: 766
Side 2: 2,038
Difference: 1,272

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 150
Side 2: 627
Difference: 477

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 7,001,786
Side 2: 18,194,783
Difference: 11,192,997

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 1,419,130
Side 2: 5,861,493
Difference: 4,442,363

The difficulty with this is that whilst it can be considered that MTS is "smashing", SITH have actually gone up in terms of villages overall. The problem, as I previously mentioned though, is that MTS is running away with this in terms of growth. SITH would actually still be up on points, had they not had players leave/defect. It therefore seems that this war will not be decided by skill (bearing in mind that MTS is still yet to launch a concerted operation that would be considered on par with the standard set by the top tribes and that MTS is still losing villages to SITH here and there, suggesting that their defensive strategy is not, in fact, that impressive, despite the vast point advantage), but which side will stand up to internal pressures better, of which the answer does seem to be SITH's possible collapse in on itself, unless PWO start seriously entering this war or another tribe were to enter the fight on SITH's side.

 

[DeletedUser]

I believe if you factor in all of the people that have abandoned Sith since the war started and all of those total conquers that were internal then I think that Sith has gotten smaller rather than grow since the war started unlike what you are trying to say. Hence their fall in the rankings.

 

[DeletedUser]

Actually, if you had done some research on TWStats, you'd have noticed the real reason for SITH's drop in rankings - very simply, they've had almost 5mil points of player leave on them in just the last two weeks. However, in that two weeks, that only represented an overall loss of ~4mil. That does basically mean that after taking into account leavers, they had accrued almost 1mil of points over that period as a tribe. Even that said, tribes do not necessarily fall in the rankings merely because they have lost villages - they can (as has partially happened in this case) just fall simply because they are not growing as fast as other tribes.

Incidentally though, definitive figures are impossible to create as with SITH! there have seemingly been two members that turned barb there, so accurate figures without knowing which players/how large they were is impossible.

 

[The Lish]

Ah well that's alright then - if it's players leaving and turning barb it doesn't matter what the stats say

Obviously the war between SITHf. and MTSf. has nothing to do with their players going barb and/or leaving so it's all good :icon_rolleyes:

 

[DeletedUser]

Ah well that's alright then - if it's players leaving and turning barb it doesn't matter what the stats say

Obviously the war between SITHf. and MTSf. has nothing to do with their players going barb and/or leaving so it's all good :icon_rolleyes:

My point was that MTS has not actually been nobling into SITH at a faster rate than they've been nobling overall. Which, from the stats, you obviously haven't. As far as your latter sarcastic response, I think excluding Timzabar, who joined MTS, definitely suggesting that he defected in relation to the war, it would be presumptuous of most to assume that MTS is responsible for every single disgruntled player (case example: BA, Praesul, etc.) or every single person who doesn't have enough time to run their account (e.g. I know that in a few countries this time of year is their exam period, which I doubt MTS exactly has control over) in SITH and would be extremely egotistical for MTS to suggest that they were solely responsible too, without evidence being put in favour of it, which hasn't been made public on this forum from what I've seen. It is naturally not just credible, but an obvious solution that the war may well have had an influence, but from the present information available it would only be speculation as to whether that was a major or minor influence.

 

[DeletedUser]

Major would be what sith have struggled with for 6 months. Inactivity. Right now there are very few original sith left who play regularly. Since w42 opened they lost even more because of the lack of fun left in this world. Weither sith win or lose this one they will be remembered as a tribe who ruled the core and also influenced the world

 

[DeletedUser21713]

Major would be what sith have struggled with for 6 months. Inactivity. Right now there are very few original sith left who play regularly. Since w42 opened they lost even more because of the lack of fun left in this world. Weither sith win or lose this one they will be remembered as a tribe who ruled the core and also influenced the world

actually, i think that the majority of players that went to 42 have quit there know unsure :/

 

[The Lish]

My point was that MTS has not actually been nobling into SITH at a faster rate than they've been nobling overall. Which, from the stats, you obviously haven't. As far as your latter sarcastic response, I think excluding Timzabar, who joined MTS, definitely suggesting that he defected in relation to the war, it would be presumptuous of most to assume that MTS is responsible for every single disgruntled player (case example: BA, Praesul, etc.) or every single person who doesn't have enough time to run their account (e.g. I know that in a few countries this time of year is their exam period, which I doubt MTS exactly has control over) in SITH and would be extremely egotistical for MTS to suggest that they were solely responsible too, without evidence being put in favour of it, which hasn't been made public on this forum from what I've seen. It is naturally not just credible, but an obvious solution that the war may well have had an influence, but from the present information available it would only be speculation as to whether that was a major or minor influence.

Maybe I'm just being an egotist then :icon_redface:

MTS weren't aware of any activity issues prior to the war - and the players I'm referring to were active at the beginning of the war - they defended, attacked, mailed in some cases - yet since then they've defected/left the tribe/been kicked and/or gone barb (jellobiafra, thebud, CATTt, gforce01, LDA, greenless, Saradam, Altach .. maybe there are others I can't remember off the top of my head).

Other players are also notable by their absence with respect to attacks and nobling.

I never suggested that MTS is the sole reason for any of this - my comment was aimed at refuting the suggestion that we've had nothing to do with any SITH issues - what I suggested is that we've been a contributing factor (e.g. I felt the need to add jellobiafra and thebud to the stats after they went tribeless because of the timing with which they left/got kicked from SITH - right in the middle of a bunch of nobles landing!).
I don't believe for a second that the same thing would have happened with those players had MTS not attacked - I do however agree that we're not the only factor that affected those players' decisions - and if my post suggested that we are claiming the entire credit for any SITH issues then it wasn't intended to.

Well done to SITH for keeping up their nobling rate - but given the choice I'd rather be up in the war stats and continuing to grow.

 

[DeletedUser21713]

I'd just like to point out gforce is / was being controlled by poise unsure now untill iron fished him out. The rest are either banned and/or turning barb two accounts you mentioned there were sitted by LDA.

Guess MTS got lucky when declaring war

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes but this is a war game if I am not wrong. "turncoats" or players that turn on their original side is part of the game. If players are not happy with their leaders decisions and see that they are not getting the support needed I can why they would turn their backs. This is a game about tactics and winning.

As for Poise having a sit on gthing i would be questioning your leaders that have privs to see who the account sitters are.

then there is LDA. Maybe you should keep you players happy is all i can say on that...oh and same goes for your other players that are now sending there off vills def vills and bathroom sink just to make sure they are clear for us to take...i would choose much more wisely on whom you choose for senate :icon_wink:

And for the fact that they keep growing is due to the fact that they are nobleing barbs like crazy. Yes, you can argue that they want them befor we take them but I can garuntee most of those barbs are stacked with 10k sp and 10k sw due to the bans. Where it would take 2-4nukes to clear them those nukes could be used on enemy(MTS) vills. not to mention that now they have to worry about having to move defensive troops to them to defend from more attacks.

maybe my thinking is off but i dont think so...

 

[DeletedUser21713]

I never said poise was sitting the account didn't i :icon_rolleyes:, i said he was "controlling" the account as in he knows the password to it

 

[DeletedUser]

And for the fact that they keep growing is due to the fact that they are nobleing barbs like crazy. Yes, you can argue that they want them befor we take them but I can garuntee most of those barbs are stacked with 10k sp and 10k sw due to the bans. Where it would take 2-4nukes to clear them those nukes could be used on enemy(MTS) vills. not to mention that now they have to worry about having to move defensive troops to them to defend from more attacks.

maybe my thinking is off but i dont think so...

Your thinking isn't off but you cannot fault them for taking those barbs. Either they leave them for you to noble and have to stack around there (leaving less D for front lines) and needing to use nukes to clear them to take them. or they noble them, using nukes up and have to stack them (leaving less D for front lines. That particular situation is loose loose.

 

[The Lish]

I never said poise was sitting the account didn't i :icon_rolleyes:, i said he was "controlling" the account as in he knows the password to it

He was sitting not logging in via password.

IM booted gforce from the tribe when he saw it - about a day after the sit was started.

 

[poise]

He was sitting not logging in via password.

IM booted gforce from the tribe when he saw it - about a day after the sit was started.

Yep, I was sitting the account for 18 hours, before I sat the account it was sat before that. Was never going to mention in on the external forums as I did not see any reason to gloat over the fact we had the sit for a while.

The advantages it has given us will be beneficially in the future, but we have not used the info as of yet.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yep, I was sitting the account for 18 hours, before I sat the account it was sat before that. Was never going to mention in on the external forums as I did not see any reason to gloat over the fact we had the sit for a while.

The advantages it has given us will be beneficially in the future, but we have not used the info as of yet.

ah sitting an account in an enemy tribe is far too barbarous for my liking, there are some far slyer and more destructive ways of infiltration. Although you have one or two of them already don't you :icon_wink:

 

[DeletedUser]

Currently i think SITH is between a rock and a hard place. Although this is a kind of slow paced war, they need to kick it up a little bit. MTS is growing way too fast right now. The inactivity is also a huge problem. If SITH can't get a grip on the issues of activity soon they might need to tactically withdraw(although i doubt the G3 would approve of that and PWO might take a more active role to save face). If anyone could add a more detailed explanation onto this it would be appreciated.

 

[DeletedUser]

Problem there is mts can fight on two fronts. They have a lot of ks on the rim for defense tge can be sent for longer periods of time

 

[DeletedUser]

They can kinda melt away towards the rim and have =MTS= come at them from the other side. Or the other way around. The only way to get rid of that problem would be to have PWO bash the crap out of the main MTS fam. and have SITH attack =MTS= in the SW.