Let's assume that you are right about Cal- and Rattle and that they were the worst leaders ever and the worst possible tribemates you could have and that's why they have been criticised and continue to be so.
I didn't say the worst ever (or didn't mean to). In fact they appear to have generated significant loyalty to their banner so they should get credit for that. The manner of their departure has, rightly, generated significant ciriticism. However, Cal- and Rattle were certainly up there as the worst leaders within in a family/alliance ever. But I guess that is unlikely to generate many sage nods outside of Apoc!
My read is their posturing was intended to marginalise/ostracise at least one member tribe of Apoc in the belief that the others would side with them. When their rather clumsy machiavellian efforts failed, in a fit of pique, they got their tribemates into a war that they have no chance of winning. Realising this fact they took off in the dead of night. Your opinion my differ but I regard their behaviour as beneath contempt (OK, perhaps a bit strong).
So why do the remaining members of =V= get criticised on game play, especially Zurtle?
He does? I clearly haven't been paying attention! Zurtle is one of the best (almost on a par with mhausig) defenders in the game. Anyone who says differently is clearly mad ;-) If I have a criticism of the man it is directed at his seeming hatred (probably too strong a word) of his former co-leaders. But, I suspect, he has his reasons.
(although I loved AA's character and miss him)
The character was amusing. I hope the personality we saw on these forums was "in role". Unfortunately I suspect we saw glimpses of the man and those glimpses weren't pretty...
Macman even went so far as to say that Zurtle's only war front was K58! Like really?? Most of his villages are totally surrounded by red and he has been defending for several weeks now with no help, but instead of being treated as a worthy opponent and respected as such, lame excuses such as he is stacked, etc are used.
Mac's comments were not a criticism of Zurtle, they were simply an observation of our disposition. Zurtle's western villages are on our backlines. Unsurprisingly our backlines are not configured for close range war. (Or at least they weren't!)
Apoc members turn everything into an opportunity to criticise him or talk down his efforts and achievements just because they couldn't break him or because they couldn't get him to just hand over his villages to them (like they are used to).
This is a war game. I would be surprised if any member of Apoc gave anything but a grudging respect for the performance of one of our enemies. That's the price of being on the "wrong side" ;-)
As I recall, he used to be just fine when he was a Duke of Apoc.
Equally Zurtle's co-leaders were touted as the epitome of honour and fair-dealing by Zurtle. Strangely, when he switched sides he decides we were all back-stabbers. Go figure...
I guess my point is that Apoc members will criticise everybody outside the Apoc family until we either have an Apoc tag besides our name
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