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Boy you must be hungry, the name was not a stupid one but a description of me.:icon_biggrin:
Bring on the :axemen: as you lot really need to find more enemies don't you
Boy you must be hungry, the name was not a stupid one but a description of me.:icon_biggrin:
Bring on the :axemen: as you lot really need to find more enemies don't you
DeletedUser
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Aww Ven, Don't be like that. :icon_wink:
I was stating what happened from my point of view, why i left etc.
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I thought I'd show my thoughts to this topic, after all it was me (funnily enough not mentioned in your synopsis) KC and Dulca that built ~T~ after we merged Matrix (my tribe) and Naked.
I will start by saying that although i have the utmost respect for KC and Dulca and i loved working with the members from Naked I think that in the long run this merge was an error.
I ran Matrix pretty simply, survival of the fittest, recruitment was kept to a minimum, and only if it still left space for others to grow. The reasoning at the time for the merge was to work together and take out TKWSN (who have survived, mainly due to Yoda who i think has done a fantastic job) and also help against the Ego that was WoH, they insulted me I took it personally, and it clouded my longterm judgement on where I wanted to take the tribe.
Growth continued to be an issue, the west (old Matrix) ran itself, members happily nobling along the agreed lines with NyUK to the north and west, but very few willing to make a move to the East which i saw as the main area for future conflict. Some decided TKWSN looked easy meat, so nobled on the borders in k85. And tbh we moved into K85 pretty easily. Then focus was lost. WoH or TKWSN, which one to choose. In the end neither received much attention.
The 3 main leaders then started to get RL's, Dulca a new job, I can understand the reasons, KC was ingame but not on skype, making co-ordination difficult, and plans for ops kept dragging on until people started to do their own thing.
I stayed, brought in new players or co's for accounts that would otherwise have barbed, and did all I could. Then RL decided i needed 2months away. I managed to convince one of my closest TW friends that she needed another account to play, and that to co me would be awesome, To WFA i apologise for that, her addiction is bad enough :icon_smile:, i hope i have now started to make up for the time you put into an ungrateful tribe, one where as you have said players decided they didnt want to help their tribe, or leaders.
I looked in briefly and saw changed Stormin had been brought in as Duke - a valued player, one who worked hard for the tribe, again RL took him just after the declaration of Modwar. I have no doubt in my mind he left for RL, not because of Incoming, the fact he hasnt returned to any of the worlds he plays means to me it was more serious than i first thought. and i dont blame him for not coming back if that is the case.
Orion, MBM, Blessed and a few others stepped up and tried to galvanise a tribe, even asking Ven to join to help with operations, which he is good at doing, but in the end you can only get so many people motivated, the rest will walk away or do their own thing.
In the end why did ~T~ fail, my opinion is that although there were a number of people willing to help with the tribe, there wasnt anyone to step up and run it, make the decisions and get people involved. THose on the frontlines look at those others, not taking sits and not providing D to the frontline, or pulling all their D because they had 20 incoming and might need it all :icon_neutral:
In short a lack of team work, and an overdose of selfishness, which can be illustrated by one of the numerous culprits "Psychotic Chimps" who TKWSN are now starting to chow down on.
There are many in A New Dawn I do not feel this way about. But they are outnumbered already in this new tribe, so i do not have any expectation that it will fair any better.
To A New Dawn i wish luck and fun, but i dont personally see it lasting
As this is long enough post already i'll answer in the spoiler.
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Most of the Diplomacy with NYUK was done through me and a couple of other players who are no longer active on W42. So i can understand NYUK distancing themselves from the ~T~ regime that Modwar declared on. I daresay BigT saw Modwar as the best diplomatic policy going forward.
NYUK/~T~ (matrix previously) was mainly an agreement on borders, We agreed to provide them with a rim, they provided us with a safe area so D could be moved around easily. It worked well for us both.
I respect BigT, he works hard for his tribe, and in the end that is what he needs to work for.
As you also know NYUK and ~T~ never co-ordinated on enemies, or helped with providing D, unless in the west, so there would never have been any expection of them helping against Modwar in anyway. I believe they had a larger war to deal with somewhere :icon_rolleyes:
Diplomacy with most tribes was kept close to my heart, so when i left i didnt help my tribes cause much.
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Apologies for the length, but i felt the thoughts of a founder/Leader of a tribe were worth as much space as the original poster, also apologies for no funny pics, i suck at including images
Dal
DeletedUser
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lol... was kidding bro... :icon_wink:
still wanna kill you :icon_razz:
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Dal, you are right %100... But...... you know the "but" part... :icon_sad:
DeletedUser
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everything dal said was true, no offense to any one r any other members dawn
DeletedUser30342
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Whether or not they are right, the fact still remains they screwed over the few members of ~T~ that were active and were trying to work together. They all left us when we needed them most.
I think a lot of the selfishness and lack of teamwork was, in part, because of low morale. People were leaving for RL, and lower members like me weren't even notified that Dulca, KC, and others had even gone inactive until well after the fact. (Which, BTW would have been nice to know because I'd been playing with them since W37). There was this constant change in leaders who I felt were all capable, but they all kept leaving. I remember asking myself "Why doesn't Dal take over leadership?" Even though, after the fiasco with "waring" Bio! I'd lost some respect for him as a leader. (When he declared very few people in ~T~ even knew he was planning on doing so). Then I saw that him and his coplayer had left, taking an account with them that had been in ~T~ since we were Naked.
I'm kind of confused though Dal. You think merging with Naked was a mistake, yet the western players are the ones who were refusing to help defend or sit accounts. Aren't the western players old Matrix members? You honestly think they wouldn't've done the same thing to you eventually?
I think a lot of the selfishness and lack of teamwork was, in part, because of low morale. People were leaving for RL, and lower members like me weren't even notified that Dulca, KC, and others had even gone inactive until well after the fact. (Which, BTW would have been nice to know because I'd been playing with them since W37). There was this constant change in leaders who I felt were all capable, but they all kept leaving. I remember asking myself "Why doesn't Dal take over leadership?" Even though, after the fiasco with "waring" Bio! I'd lost some respect for him as a leader. (When he declared very few people in ~T~ even knew he was planning on doing so). Then I saw that him and his coplayer had left, taking an account with them that had been in ~T~ since we were Naked.
I'm kind of confused though Dal. You think merging with Naked was a mistake, yet the western players are the ones who were refusing to help defend or sit accounts. Aren't the western players old Matrix members? You honestly think they wouldn't've done the same thing to you eventually?
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Not quite sure what the roll eyes was for, I'm just stating a fact , your "unbreakable alliance" broke a few days before Mod even declared on you, when bigt couldn't wait to distance himself from your alliance, yes of course in his shoes i would of probably done the same, but if i was in your shoes i would of been a bit miffed, seeing as though you kinda of supported them in the early stages of the Bio! war.!
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My RL is still not in a place where i could even consider taking leadership. I have no wish to try and unravel what has gone on or take on the responsibilities again.
Re Bio! the declaration and "war" was only meant to involve 4-5players, there was no need for pre-warning, also at the time i knew there were several people passing info to other tribes so why pass the plans on. Did it go the way i had hoped, kind of, but my reasons at the time were for the good of ~T~ and i made sure the last thing i did before leaving was to arrange a nap with OKBI when they merged.
Re the western players, i think a fair number of those are team players, those still there that i dont feel that way about wouldnt be on this world now if the merge hadnt have occured. Right now there would be maybe 20players in the 6K's west and south of K74.
GL Daffy
As i have said, we never supported them. I think when you first started saying this i asked for proof, you never gave me any. So it didnt happen.
I personally think the alliance with NYUK broke down a long time before Modwar declared, i got the impression that no one bothered trying to keep it going after i left, so i'd say that was 1-2months gone, not a few days.
I hold no grudges against BigT, he has done right by his tribe, what more would any good leader do?
Dal
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thebigt625
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Nyuk never asked for nor received support from ~T~
I have much respect for you as well, my friend.
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From Dal
"I ran Matrix pretty simply, survival of the fittest, recruitment was kept to a minimum, and only if it still left space for others to grow. The reasoning at the time for the merge was to work together and take out TKWSN (who have survived, mainly due to Yoda who i think has done a fantastic job)"
merci
thanks mate, nice of you to say so.....
"I ran Matrix pretty simply, survival of the fittest, recruitment was kept to a minimum, and only if it still left space for others to grow. The reasoning at the time for the merge was to work together and take out TKWSN (who have survived, mainly due to Yoda who i think has done a fantastic job)"
merci
thanks mate, nice of you to say so..... DeletedUser
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Good luck Dawn I geuss. Will be fun fighting you guys
DeletedUser
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Wow, do you have a spine?
as for proof , what was your pathatic declaration all about then, or are you seriously suggesting you went to war over a half K front?
Or the co-ordinated attacks on one of Bio,s players, c,mon dal grow a pair and tell it like it is!...:icon_rolleyes:
p.s has bigt got you an account somewhere?
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DeletedUser85711
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They are telling it like it is; for the most part anyway. We didn't ask for any help with Bio!. I told Dallock that if they had extra D that they were wanting to send up (as allies), then I'd provide them with villages to send to. There was 1 player on their backlines that offered 6 villages that went to 3 villages of wicked willy on the EMR front. That was the ONLY support that came up from ~T~ during the Bio! war. I believe they were wanting to pull some fire power from our front lines, but I'm not 100% sure as to why they declared. As for Dallock, he is currently not on any account in Nyuk.
Should we start calling out Modwar for not supporting your front lines? You guys have lost far more villages in the past than us. Seems like you guys were the ones that needed people to send D.
Hopefully this answers all of your questions, as this isn't about ~T~ and Nyuk and sorry for continuing on the conversation OP. Good luck Dawn, hopefully you guys do better than how ~T~ ended.
Should we start calling out Modwar for not supporting your front lines? You guys have lost far more villages in the past than us. Seems like you guys were the ones that needed people to send D.
Hopefully this answers all of your questions, as this isn't about ~T~ and Nyuk and sorry for continuing on the conversation OP. Good luck Dawn, hopefully you guys do better than how ~T~ ended.
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Did Bio! survive? not the attempt you recently made as things didnt go your way in OKBI, or the 3k pointer who held the name, but the original tribe?
I never went to war to take anything. I had a reason, and as far as i'm concerned it was successful.
Dal
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DeletedUser
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I lol'd.
But this topic is kinda done I guess, everyone has posted "their story", have they not?
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darkaniken2
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So you are flaming ads for Bio! failing under pressure from all but one major tribe in the world, when ~T~ couldn't even take on ONE major tribe? Interesting...
DeletedUser
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Who's flaming Dark?
Re-read what i have said, i was just responding to what he was asking. Nothing more, I dont resort to flaming, its not my style.
Dal
DeletedUser
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Very nicely written, although the lack of capitalized letters bothered me a bit. Just a hint to make it look a bit more professional next time. Other than that, very nice. Also, Ven, VectoR wasn't crap, it was pretty great. What was crap was VectoR's "rebirth tribe" ALIVE. Lets hope you don't follow in the steps of Alive
Honestly, I'd say the leadership is waaaaaay better than that kid that ran ALIVE.
