The Spy Who Sat On The Fence

DeletedUser

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On the 15/1/12 K66 changed dramatically, 9 members of ...... joined shAve and all but secured the SE until late game.

This though is not about one of the 9, this is about a player who thought he could sit on the fence, and side with the winner.
This is the story of Nookies...

Nookies = Nukemzz (IGN)

I first heard about Nukemzz on the 27/12/11
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[27/12/2011 10:39:50] Kayvan~: btw
[27/12/2011 10:39:53] Kayvan~: Speechless
[27/12/2011 10:40:02] Kayvan~: ^dont worry about the,.
[27/12/2011 10:40:14] Kayvan~: I haz a close friend of mine
[27/12/2011 10:40:16] Kayvan~: In that tribe
[27/12/2011 10:40:18] Jack - WeIsNubs: :cool:
[27/12/2011 10:40:19] Kayvan~: from another world
[27/12/2011 10:40:24] Kayvan~: I taught him how to play
[27/12/2011 10:40:28] Kayvan~: so he tells me everything about them
[27/12/2011 10:40:30] Kayvan~: rofl
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He was to be the spy in ......
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[27/12/2011 11:00:05] Kayvan~: Lets interrogate Nookies :3
[27/12/2011 11:00:19] Jack - WeIsNubs: Where do you stand nookie?
[27/12/2011 11:00:52] Nookies: my allegiance lays with the highest bidder :p
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He gave us info on his tribe as a spy should, but I suspected something wasn't right.
He got spooked when Jay accused him of being a spy :icon_rolleyes:

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[29/12/2011 16:11:14] Jack - WeIsNubs: why do they think you are a spy?
[29/12/2011 16:11:20] Nookies: because
[29/12/2011 16:11:30] Nookies: they know that you guys know a lot about our tribe
[29/12/2011 16:11:32] Nookies: u have a leak
[29/12/2011 16:11:42] Jack - WeIsNubs: thats not a reason why your a spy
[29/12/2011 16:11:54] Kayvan~: they probs put 2 and 2 together though
[29/12/2011 16:11:55] Jack - WeIsNubs: thats knowing theres a spy in speechless but not who
[29/12/2011 16:12:02] Jack - WeIsNubs: they couldnt have tbh
[29/12/2011 16:12:13] Kayvan~: "Friend in shave, intell found?"
[29/12/2011 16:12:23] Nookies: but the difference is..im the actual spy..im the only one that is claiming to have a spy in shave and im not giving info THAT = GUILTY
[29/12/2011 16:12:39] Kayvan~: your a dumbass nookie.
[29/12/2011 16:12:45] Kayvan~: You take the word
[29/12/2011 16:12:49] Jack - WeIsNubs: why did you claim to have a spy? thats the ridiculous part
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A spy claiming he has a spy in the tribe he was spying for.....
Amateurs :icon_rolleyes:

When Jay contacted us asking me to take some members of ......, I was put in charge of their recruitment, so obviously asked their former dukes opinion of the players in his tribe.
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[12/01/2012 22:38:30] Jack - WeIsNubs: what about nukemzz?
[12/01/2012 22:38:40] Jay2880: meh
[12/01/2012 22:38:48] Jay2880: he is ok
[12/01/2012 22:38:56] Jack - WeIsNubs: you are aware he was sitting on the fence
[12/01/2012 22:38:57] Jay2880: he is fun to be around...
[12/01/2012 22:39:01] Jay2880: yes i am
[12/01/2012 22:39:02] Jack - WeIsNubs: feeding you info and me info
[12/01/2012 22:39:05] Jay2880: yes
[12/01/2012 22:39:08] Jay2880: i am well aware
[12/01/2012 22:39:10] Jack - WeIsNubs: good
[12/01/2012 22:39:16] Jay2880: thats why i say meh
[12/01/2012 22:40:29] Jay2880: i have been aware he was a spy sort of for a while
[12/01/2012 22:40:31] Jay2880: ive called him out on it like 10 times
[12/01/2012 22:40:35] Jay2880: i just didnt care to be honest
[12/01/2012 22:40:38] Jay2880: if it wasnt him
[12/01/2012 22:40:42] Jay2880: someone else would do it anyways
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When I contacted the 9 about joining I intentionally left Nukemzz out, he was a liability, and after all, I could never be sure of his loyalty :icon_confused:
He had sat on the fence and fed two tribes info, he was a rogue spy

Then this appeared in my IGM's, forwarded by a member of ...... to me
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I was left Speechless,
Nukemzz a traitor was branding others traitors for leaving his tribe. The tribe he gladly spied on for us.

I wasn't surprised though when he got his just deserts. Sit on the fence and your left with no options
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In the end Nukemzz dug his own grave, If he was loyal to one tribe then maybe he would have been in the 9, but oh well, either way we get his villages :icon_rolleyes:
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[15/01/2012 23:30:46] Olath: are you guys going to take nukemzz?
[15/01/2012 23:30:51] Jack - WeIsNubs: (think) why?
[15/01/2012 23:30:56] Olath: wasn't he your spy?
[15/01/2012 23:30:59] Olath: or at least one of them
[15/01/2012 23:31:05] Jack - WeIsNubs: meh kind of
[15/01/2012 23:31:15] Jack - WeIsNubs: did he say he would be joining?
[15/01/2012 23:31:20] Olath: No
[15/01/2012 23:31:20] Olath: In fact
[15/01/2012 23:31:25] Olath: he's saying we should attack
[15/01/2012 23:31:37] Olath: hence my wtf
[15/01/2012 23:31:40] Jack - WeIsNubs: :^) can you quote him please
[15/01/2012 23:31:50] Jack - WeIsNubs: he's a noob
[15/01/2012 23:31:58] Olath: Nukemzz today at 00:27Thanks Quote Edit Delete
ATTACK ZE TRAITORS NOW.
[15/01/2012 23:32:06] Jack - WeIsNubs: Jay knew he was spying for us, I knew he was feeding Jay info
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DeletedUser

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Ill add something then:

[17/01/2012 17:41:28] Nukemzz: djepo?

[17/01/2012 17:41:30] Nukemzz: the spy?

[17/01/2012 17:41:39] Nukemzz: BURN IN HELL

[17/01/2012 17:46:40] Jepo: lol, not really "spy worthy" am i huh... i never talked to any shave guys.
and i was co-played so not really a spy thing to do.
plus mikabuk let me sit him. and if i was a spy id of given info out from his mails.. so i think ul find im not a spy.
need to play cluedo some more and gather some evidence and find an answer.
or,..
ur looking for some1 to blame this on. know ur facts and remember, its only a game my friend.
90% of this game is typing to other players and enjoying the interaction, not the tribe thing but so guys like u and me can unwind and let time pass without a care in the world...
just remember that

[17/01/2012 17:47:46] Nukemzz: dont u foreigners have any sense of loyality and morales

[17/01/2012 17:48:00] Nukemzz: I do find it funny, its always foreigners that screw people over in this game

[17/01/2012 17:49:24] Jepo: what is foreign mate? something thats not ment to be there in a normal environment.
when u refer to people, it maybe someone who was born in a different country to the one they live in?
i my friend still live in the country im born in. so,.. im not a foreigner

[17/01/2012 17:50:39] Nukemzz: im under attack ^_^

[17/01/2012 17:52:45 | Edited 17:53:19] Jepo: ive never NOT been under attack since i left.
i left after getting asked to join with 8 other players. i left cuz it was the next logical move to go for in the game for me.

[17/01/2012 17:57:50] Nukemzz: yea word :p

[17/01/2012 17:57:55] Nukemzz: k well sleep time

[17/01/2012 17:57:57] Nukemzz: peaceeee

[17/01/2012 17:58:21] Jepo: dont hate a player for playing the game, if u got an invite too, u wudn't be saying this ok
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DeletedUser

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I lol'd at the "Foreigners" part. He is a foreigner to some people too :S
 

slinkiestwizard

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I really love it when fence sitters , trying to play spy games get knocked off the fence , and by looking at it must have been a 12 foot high fence cause he landed pretty hard lol
 

crazzz

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we all know nukems was a spie, but the part you leave out is that you had a spy that could see the council forums

jay2880 on 16.01. at 03:21
just about every member of shaves leadership contacted me when they heard i quit and asked a bunch of things of course since I had been talking with them so much trying to prevent war etc...they said they had spoken to a few members already about joining and asked from my point of view what members were solid and not trouble-makers etc...seeing as how I quit the world and had plenty of people talking bs to me already I didnt have speechless's best interests at heart anymore. People are so quick to judge so why would I be loyal to them? I gave them a list of players I respected. What they do with that is their business. Again if I was working with them I would just join shAve but thats not the case and thats not whats happening...and to be honest dont be suprised if dJep0 was the spy in the first place...


jay2880 on 16.01. at 03:36
as far as everyone not liking Djep thats their own business not mine..I wasnt a huge fan either so whatever..
 

DeletedUser

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we all know nukems was a spie, but the part you leave out is that you had a spy that could see the council forums

jay2880 on 16.01. at 03:21
just about every member of shaves leadership contacted me when they heard i quit and asked a bunch of things of course since I had been talking with them so much trying to prevent war etc...they said they had spoken to a few members already about joining and asked from my point of view what members were solid and not trouble-makers etc...seeing as how I quit the world and had plenty of people talking bs to me already I didnt have speechless's best interests at heart anymore. People are so quick to judge so why would I be loyal to them? I gave them a list of players I respected. What they do with that is their business. Again if I was working with them I would just join shAve but thats not the case and thats not whats happening...and to be honest dont be suprised if dJep0 was the spy in the first place...


jay2880 on 16.01. at 03:36
as far as everyone not liking Djep thats their own business not mine..I wasnt a huge fan either so whatever..

Claiming Djep0 was the spy? Interesting, you can't use screenshots?
Well my screenshot shows my first contact with Djep0 on the 12/01/12
Incase you are not aware, Jay had already quit by then....
Thus clearing Djep0 of being a spy
Oh and to add insult to your injury, Djep0 was suggested for an invite by Jay, you weren't :icon_rolleyes:

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DeletedUser

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It is interesting that the "spy" reference is bouncing back and forth. The truth of the matter is that even when all members left and Nukemzz sent the mail around you were still getting the info.

So I would say it was safe to say that there were many people in the tribe willing to do what ever they had to, in order to lick their way to shAve. Also, shAve took a word of a leader who was willing to back-stab their own tribe just cos they decided to quit! Personally actions from Jay and shAve made me quit the world as I would not ever play with either of them.

Jay was too emotional and did not know how to relax. He was so far up shAves a** from begining that it did make me wonder what would happen eventually. From day one while shAve was closing the area around speachless Jay was sitting on the fence asking everyone to make sure they don't upset shAve, constantly claiming that we need to be ready and pick our time.


Unfortunately moral was staring to become the problem for the players and it was shAve or betray your tribe and move to shAve.


I honestly don't blame people who moved to shAve, that was a good choice for them at the time, although they will soon realise that they are at the back of the whole shAve tribe and not much room of expansion and will get pretty boring and as some will already show, go inactive.


Considering this was a war game I would have preferred to see speechless give it a good shot and just declare against shAve and see what they are made of as shAve has not been challenged so far.


In any case it's only a game but just as MoM in W56, shAve might hold the no1 spot for a long time, but they will fail eventually. There is only so many players who will keep playing just to feed on small accounts and barbs and there is only so many places to recruit and see the opposition crumble trough recruitment.


Also, i would have loved to know on what basis were the qualities of the players taken judged. It would guess purely on Jay's recommendation and not on their capabilities.



There is a perfect example of the player who was in-charge of organising deff and strategy against shAve who thought the good thing is to support one village of front line players while asking them to send support to over 24hr's away...



Conclusion, speechless never had a chance with so many players who were just waiting for better offer!


I do admire mikabu as he was a very good player and stayed true to the tribe he tried to make, pity he managed to attract all the wrong players for that.
 

DeletedUser96310

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I do admire mikabu as he was a very good player and stayed true to the tribe he tried to make, pity he managed to attract all the wrong players for that.

This was a solid post and I could have quoted many parts of it. I chose to quote the last comment because after my chat with Mika concluded, I left knowing I respected him.

Regarding how players were selected isn't important. What is important is the fact that all players selected haven't had any issues with sending support and participating on ops... This in my opinion shows they are team oriented and focused. Many of them have support sent not just 24 hours away but 90 or more... These are my type of players :)
 

DeletedUser

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thankyou waves. much appreciated for adding that. The K66 speechless- additions to shAve have been accepted into ShaVe not only on what Jay did recommend.
in fact knowing he was quitting Jay STILL put in the time and effort to give an other tribe his best members.
some other leaders would be hard pressed to do that but he did.

and that comment (thats not screnn-shot'ed) of Jay saying:~
jay2880 on 16.01. at 03:36
as far as everyone not liking Djep thats their own business not mine..I wasnt a huge fan either so whatever..

erm,.. i dont believe this for one second. but hey-ho its a game. and i play.. like i have done for the past 3 years.
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Since joining ShaVe, the lot from speechless have been very helpful in tribal ops and we are glad that ShaVe took the time and focus to get to know us all, skype, forums ops and such. including pre-invitation screening.

yes, they didnt invite on Jays instruction i may hear you gasp!!... jay mentioned around 6 players "shaVe worthy". when they did their research they, infact, found a few MORE speechless guys worthy of invitation. players with less points then ones that didnt get a place.
they picked hard and tough. and im glad to say i think that Jack (weisnubs) did a fantastic job in the selection and he is a CREDIT to any tribe in any world.

nuf said, nukemzz was the spy, Jay shat on his own and sold others out.
 

crazzz

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[16/01/2012 7:42:57 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: hey
[16/01/2012 7:43:09 AM] Olath: sup mate?
[16/01/2012 7:43:20 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: same ole same ole
[16/01/2012 7:43:25 AM] Olath: Enjoying the demise of Speechless? :p
[16/01/2012 7:43:43 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: not really...i assume Djep0 was the spy
[16/01/2012 7:43:53 AM] Olath: Djep0 left for Shave
[16/01/2012 7:43:55 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: kinda pisses me off i shoulda rimmed him when i had the chance
[16/01/2012 7:43:57 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: ya i know
[16/01/2012 7:44:01 AM] Olath: along with almost everyone else worth a damn

THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS = Jay
 

DeletedUser

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[16/01/2012 7:42:57 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: hey
[16/01/2012 7:43:09 AM] Olath: sup mate?
[16/01/2012 7:43:20 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: same ole same ole
[16/01/2012 7:43:25 AM] Olath: Enjoying the demise of Speechless? :p
[16/01/2012 7:43:43 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: not really...i assume Djep0 was the spy
[16/01/2012 7:43:53 AM] Olath: Djep0 left for Shave
[16/01/2012 7:43:55 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: kinda pisses me off i shoulda rimmed him when i had the chance
[16/01/2012 7:43:57 AM] THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS: ya i know
[16/01/2012 7:44:01 AM] Olath: along with almost everyone else worth a damn

THIS FLAMING MIDDLE FINGER MEANS I HAVE NO CLASS = Jay

Inability to screenshot? :icon_rolleyes:
I assume your Olath?

And to reiterate my earlier point, Djep0 wasn't the spy or should I say one of the spies....
 

crazzz

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and that comment (thats not screnn-shot'ed) of Jay saying:~



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:)

Inability to screenshot? :icon_rolleyes:
I assume your Olath?

And to reiterate my earlier point, Djep0 wasn't the spy or should I say one of the spies....

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and you assume wrong :icon_rolleyes:
i'm just speaking to him
 
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:)



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and you assume wrong :icon_rolleyes:
i'm just speaking to him

Now was that so hard? :icon_rolleyes:
Im sure I'll put two and two together and find your IGN soon :lol:
 

DeletedUser

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It is interesting that the "spy" reference is bouncing back and forth. The truth of the matter is that even when all members left and Nukemzz sent the mail around you were still getting the info.

So I would say it was safe to say that there were many people in the tribe willing to do what ever they had to, in order to lick their way to shAve. Also, shAve took a word of a leader who was willing to back-stab their own tribe just cos they decided to quit! Personally actions from Jay and shAve made me quit the world as I would not ever play with either of them.

Jay was too emotional and did not know how to relax. He was so far up shAves a** from begining that it did make me wonder what would happen eventually. From day one while shAve was closing the area around speachless Jay was sitting on the fence asking everyone to make sure they don't upset shAve, constantly claiming that we need to be ready and pick our time.


Unfortunately moral was staring to become the problem for the players and it was shAve or betray your tribe and move to shAve.


I honestly don't blame people who moved to shAve, that was a good choice for them at the time, although they will soon realise that they are at the back of the whole shAve tribe and not much room of expansion and will get pretty boring and as some will already show, go inactive.


Considering this was a war game I would have preferred to see speechless give it a good shot and just declare against shAve and see what they are made of as shAve has not been challenged so far.


In any case it's only a game but just as MoM in W56, shAve might hold the no1 spot for a long time, but they will fail eventually. There is only so many players who will keep playing just to feed on small accounts and barbs and there is only so many places to recruit and see the opposition crumble trough recruitment.


Also, i would have loved to know on what basis were the qualities of the players taken judged. It would guess purely on Jay's recommendation and not on their capabilities.



There is a perfect example of the player who was in-charge of organising deff and strategy against shAve who thought the good thing is to support one village of front line players while asking them to send support to over 24hr's away...



Conclusion, speechless never had a chance with so many players who were just waiting for better offer!


I do admire mikabu as he was a very good player and stayed true to the tribe he tried to make, pity he managed to attract all the wrong players for that.
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Dude this game is not about warring anymore, it is about spies, recruitment and propganda. Early game used to have legendary wars, now you have to wait till late game to get any kind of good fighting
 

DeletedUser

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Yeah especially in this world,(which seems extra grey) a lot has changed since world 10 I guess.
 

slinkiestwizard

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Dude this game is not about warring anymore, it is about spies, recruitment and propganda. Early game used to have legendary wars, now you have to wait till late game to get any kind of good fighting

been that way for some time and BS failed miserably at it
 

DeletedUser

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Dude this game is not about warring anymore, it is about spies, recruitment and propganda. Early game used to have legendary wars, now you have to wait till late game to get any kind of good fighting

I guess I am used to the way it used to be! I must say all this "playing" now has ruined the game for me. Ah well, I guess I need to catch up to the times. :icon_smile:
 

DeletedUser

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so im confused now..
was i the spy, or wasn't i ??

i cant quite tell from all this lol.
now ask if if i care that people dont believe me, when i say i wasn't.

now that answer i do know :)
end of topic.

it was created to show nukemezz was the spy. he addmitted to me too lol. so there we have it.
lock thread off.
its going off topic. the topic was about Nukemezz and how he sat on the fence, not how worlds have changed wince World 10
 

DeletedUser

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now that answer i do know :)
end of topic.

it was created to show nukemezz was the spy. he addmitted to me too lol. so there we have it.
lock thread off.
its going off topic. the topic was about Nukemezz and how he sat on the fence, not how worlds have changed wince World 10

Keep it open, its still useful. I don't want the thread locked as interesting discussion can still arise.

Djep0 was not one of our spies though :icon_rolleyes:
 

DeletedUser

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Keep it open, its still useful. I don't want the thread locked as interesting discussion can still arise.

Djep0 was not one of our spies though :icon_rolleyes:


Weisnubs is the spy :) Just dont tell anyone :)
 
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