The Statement of PTT tribe

DeletedUser

Guest
Greeting sir：

Greetings, I am the duke of WC4PTT, sleepycat, one of the people in PTT
tribes who made plans for this war. Since English is not my mother tongue,
and I had never registered on the forum, I have asked SOMEONE to be my
spokesperson on the forum.

About three weeks ago, members of PTT were plundered by FTR and 4 villages
had been taken away meanwhile, and two fellows of PTT tribes had left this
game owing to this reason. We had tried complaining to the dukes of FTR2,
however, their answers are made by means of continuous attacks and unpleasant
reply.

All PTT follow some simple codes: PTT members develop freely, self-defend,
help our allies, and maintain peace with NAP. However, since fellows
of PTT tribes were invaded by FTR without any proper reason and no FTR's Duke
wanted to solve this situation, the only option for us could be to protect
other members and cease the vicious attacks from FTR.


I survey many members of PTT that whether we should decide to fight against
FTR, the biggest tribe of world 2, two weeks ago. 100 members had received
this information and only 6 member said "NO". The most major reason that
members wanted to fight back is to stop FTR's continuous attacks.

As a consequence, we began to fight against FTR. We have no intention to
expand our power, and the only purpose of this fight is to stop FTR
attacking our fellows. Although this is just a game, we do play it with our
honor. Even if unfortunately you became an enemy to us, we would still hope
both of us rather fight honorably with wisdom, tactics and strategy than
criticize each other with false or incomplete information to make all other
players misunderstand each other.

Here, I'd have to say, we believe most members of FTR are honorable,
honest, reliable, and credible as we are. That's why we planned for
weeks for the attacks. And we do believe FTR is a respectable opponent rather
than few people criticizing us with some untrue statements to damage PTT's
reputation.

At last, thanks for all the tribes who join this war, including FTR and Me.
We acknowledge that it is difficult to stop these war, but I do wish
you can cease your imaginary slander and come to some reality. PTT is never
as terrible as the stories you made up. To other tribes that are still
watching the war, I would like to ask u be more wise. From the beginning of
this war, our major and only target was always FTR. We don't want to make
this war expend to world degree however ur opponent didn't think so.
For all of ur ally, I would really like to say Thank You! at this moment.
We really don't want to get u guys involved this wasting war but you are so
wonderful for ur kindness and endless helping.

P.S. Thanks for the duke of ME tribe who lied to me and insulted me verbally
in private, since you made me understand that ME is so firm to fight
against PTT, though you said that ME only want to attack one of the
PTT's member at that time.

Best Regards,
sleepycat.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
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i didnt understand one word o it except for PTT but thats because im not english or amerikan sorry...
oh and by the way this is posted by me as a person so im not speaking for ME2 or any other ME:icon_cool:
 

DeletedUser

Guest
sleepycat, you should respect that as you asked your allies to help you, FTR would and indeed did ask their allies for help. Not taking this into consideration is in fact very foolish.
 

DeletedUser222

Guest
This is all just so obvious, I don't see why you would even have to explain it. Everyone who thinks in black and white and sees one side as the bad guy and the other side as the almighty saviour is just stupid.
Ofcourse PTT have their reasons to go to war.
And on the other hand: FTR was playing fair game since there was no NAP or Alliance between them or PTT.

Both sides fight for their own, valid reasons - this is so blatantly obvious there can't be a discussion about it.
FTR is simply using propaganda the way it's supposed to be used, the one who shouts the loudest wins. If you can't beat them on the forums there's no need to complain about it, just beat them in the game.
For proper propaganda you need atleast these two things: Good (counter-)arguments, a well spoken/gifted/smart diplomat with a big vocabulary.
This post lacks both.

On a side note: Regardless what your native language is, there is no excuse for writing things like "ur" instead of "your".
 

DeletedUser

Guest
T.f.a has a similar beef. They tried to say their attacks on me were revenge for my taking a t.f.a village. That would work better if it had not been a month earlier and the person who lost it held no grudge against me but with T.f.a for failing to account sit him and supporting him with a laughable number of troops.

We can't have a war every time FTR takes a village from a tribe with no diplomatic standing. Up until now we had managed to keep such confilicts local but I guess the resentment of some tribes has been building. That's okay. A war is necessary to make some space to expand anyway. Still it will never end if some tribes insist on seeing every takeover as an act of war.
 

Brbbbq

Guest
Nothing said:
Greeting sir：

About three weeks ago, members of PTT were plundered by FTR and 4 villages
had been taken away meanwhile, and two fellows of PTT tribes had left this
game owing to this reason. We had tried complaining to the dukes of FTR2,
however, their answers are made by means of continuous attacks and unpleasant
reply.
Im the Duke of FTR2 and my inbox remains empty apart from some dozy message from Monkey-crazy that makes no sense

All PTT follow some simple codes: PTT members develop freely, self-defend,
help our allies, and maintain peace with NAP.
correct me if im wrong, but didnt you break a NAP with Xig on more than one occasion?

However, since fellows
of PTT tribes were invaded by FTR without any proper reason and no FTR's Duke
wanted to solve this situation, the only option for us could be to protect
other members and cease the vicious attacks from FTR.
Well yeah, its a war game. I wouldnt have expected anything less. As noted, my inbox is empty


I survey many members of PTT that whether we should decide to fight against
FTR, the biggest tribe of world 2, two weeks ago. 100 members had received
this information and only 6 member said "NO". The most major reason that
members wanted to fight back is to stop FTR's continuous attacks.

As a consequence, we began to fight against FTR. We have no intention to
expand our power, and the only purpose of this fight is to stop FTR
attacking our fellows. Although this is just a game, we do play it with our
honor. Even if unfortunately you became an enemy to us, we would still hope
both of us rather fight honorably with wisdom, tactics and strategy than
criticize each other with false or incomplete information to make all other
players misunderstand each other.

Here, I'd have to say, we believe most members of FTR are honorable,
honest, reliable, and credible as we are. That's why we planned for
weeks for the attacks. And we do believe FTR is a respectable opponent rather than few people criticizing us with some untrue statements to damage PTT's reputation.

what untrue statements? I still havent seen them. Everything posted so far has been clarified by 3rd sources.

At last, thanks for all the tribes who join this war, including FTR and Me.
We acknowledge that it is difficult to stop these war, but I do wish
you can cease your imaginary slander and come to some reality. PTT is never
as terrible as the stories you made up. To other tribes that are still
watching the war, I would like to ask u be more wise. From the beginning of
this war, our major and only target was always FTR. We don't want to make
this war expend to world degree however ur opponent didn't think so.
For all of ur ally, I would really like to say Thank You! at this moment.
We really don't want to get u guys involved this wasting war but you are so
wonderful for ur kindness and endless helping.
PTT started a concerted war because its villages got attacked. Lots of tribes have had their villages attacked, but none went to war over it until you did. If you are nieve enough to believe your villages wont be attacked when no NAP/alliance exists then i need say no more; that position speaks for itself. And as stated elsewhere, if you react to every hostile takeover with a war declaration you may as well declare yourself at war with anytribe you are not NAP'ed or allied with because that is the state of affairs you subscribe too. My map says, Allies, Naps, Enemies, Others. PTT came under other when i began expanding using your villages. If you can prove your tribe never has taken a village belonging to a tribe you had not declared an enemy beforehand i would accept your arguement. But that is not the case, hence why would i and my tribesmates not attack random villages on the map to expand? Your missing the whole point of the game when you argue FTR 'unfairly attacked you' Its a war game, not simcity.

P.S. Thanks for the duke of ME tribe who lied to me and insulted me verbally
in private, since you made me understand that ME is so firm to fight
against PTT, though you said that ME only want to attack one of the
PTT's member at that time.

Best Regards,
sleepycat.
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Yey
 

DeletedUser

Guest
I don't believe PTT can take the moral highground on any issue. Claiming to play this game with "honor" and "integrity", any tribe who continually breaks NAPs/Alliances throws that aspect right out the window.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
His whole post is a counter argument against FTR.

If 1 tribe attacks members of another tribe then they how on earth is that not a valid reason for war? Not all tribes will be small and submissive like FTR wishes. FTR have obviously annoyed the wrong people here. They obviously didn't expect to encounter a well organised opponant such as PTT and their allies, and they obviously didn't want this war either; they've been trying and failing to eliminate opponants through propoganda ever since the start.

Even ingame their tactics rely on propoganda, fear, blackmailing, etc. But such tactics don't work against everyone. They've yet to show off many coordinated or substantial attacks on their enemies and in my honest opinion their twplus profile is starting to reflect this.

Still it will never end if some tribes insist on seeing every takeover as an act of war.
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The solution to this is to assess threats better and take out people who won't start a war against you.

I really don't understand this argument at all that "Tribe A shouldn't attack Trbe B because Tribe B has taken tribe A's village and is not willing to offer a peaceful solution." What is wrong in taking it as an act of war if another tribe attacks your tribe?
 

Brbbbq

Guest
- hTAEd - said:
His whole post is a counter argument against FTR.

If 1 tribe attacks members of another tribe then they how on earth is that not a valid reason for war? Not all tribes will be small and submissive like FTR wishes. FTR have obviously annoyed the wrong people here. They obviously didn't expect to encounter a well organised opponant such as PTT and their allies, and they obviously didn't want this war either; they've been trying and failing to eliminate opponants through propoganda ever since the start.

Even ingame their tactics rely on propoganda, fear, blackmailing, etc. But such tactics don't work against everyone. They've yet to show off many coordinated or substantial attacks on their enemies and in my honest opinion their twplus profile is starting to reflect this.


The solution to this is to assess threats better and take out people who won't start a war against you.

I really don't understand this argument at all that "Tribe A shouldn't attack Trbe B because Tribe B has taken tribe A's village and is not willing to offer a peaceful solution." What is wrong in taking it as an act of war if another tribe attacks your tribe?
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lol
Understand the arguement. PTT says FTR is bad becasue we take their village. Er yeah, thats the game. SO PTT say we go to war becaue FTR are bad. Ok fine. Then they argue FTR bad becasue they attack PTT. Well actually no. They made themself fair game, becasue no NAP/alliance existed between FTR and PTT. So there is no dishonour.
Then PTT suggest that when we hit on their reputation we lie. Well, unfortunatly, their arguement is flawed becasue we are not dishonourable. We can prove they are dishonourable, by breaking NAPs, we have never done that. Hence, we are trust worthy, they are not.
How can anyone thus be understood to be fighting an honourable cause when they comit worse acts than those they would try to punish for lesser acts on themselves?

So no, the PTT argument is a non-starter. We did nothing wrong, but certainly they are right to hit back. i have no arguement about that, in fact, thats the most honourable and respected thing they have done imo; defend their tribe.

Thus if PTT are so honourable for fighting against a group that attacks their villages, where no NAP existed then how do they explain how they can break NAPs and still have honour whereas we cannot have honour but dont break NAPs?
That position seems hypocritical to me.
 
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DeletedUser

Guest
Unfortunately my mail only goes back ~2 weeks.

I had a personal NAP with the PTT who nobled all 4 of my villages. I had a message with an agreement saying the NAP would be formally broken before any attacks took place. Funny, that never happened...
 

DeletedUser

Guest
- hTAEd - said:
His whole post is a counter argument against FTR.

I really don't understand this argument at all that "Tribe A shouldn't attack Trbe B because Tribe B has taken tribe A's village and is not willing to offer a peaceful solution." What is wrong in taking it as an act of war if another tribe attacks your tribe?
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Mainly because wars are costly. We usually try to deal with things like that locally and avoid a full blown war. Your tribe takes it as a cause for a full out, everyone involved war and it is going to cost both tribes. Sorting things out locally is more beneficial.
 

DeletedUser137

Guest
lawl at lycan.
:lol:
anyway, whydid all the big tribesdecide to make their own thread and whydid PTT let a nutter like that make their post, that is terrible diplomacy up there.
 

DeletedUser1185

Guest
LET it Be Known That PTT first Broke an Alliance with My Tribe,Then They broke a NAP with my Tribe,I Tried to leave WC4PTT out of Conflict due to a Conflict of Interests and Such but when PTT decided to Attack FTR then the Kid Gloves are off All Of PTT Shall be Destroyed.

PTT Speaks of Honor yet they have none,their honor exists only when it serves their purposes,I consider all of PTT nothing but scurilous curs that have no honor,for their breaking of peace with my tribe so they shall suffer.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
And PTT just started to hammer away on ME1 villages over a week before all this because it was the honorable thing to do. Granted we had no diplomatic relations but they didn't want peace w/ us either.

PTT nobled an ME1 villages just a couple days before this war.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
PTT will cease to exist soon and then we don't have to worry about how honourable they are. :icon_evil:
 

DeletedUser1082

Guest
Great, the mere fact that this message exists is testament to the fact that PTT is getting beaten down by FTR.

*Gives thumbs up sign*.

Moving on.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Nothing said:
At last, thanks for all the tribes who join this war, including FTR and Me.
We acknowledge that it is difficult to stop these war, but From the beginning of this war, our major and only target was always FTR. We don't want to make this war expend to world degree however ur opponent didn't think so.
We really don't want to get u guys involved this wasting war but you are so
wonderful for ur kindness and endless helping.
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Hmm, I see a bit of a contradiction in the part where you say " it is difficult to stop these wars" followed basically by you saying "we started it". Maybe its just me though?
 

DeletedUser

Guest
- hTAEd - said:
His whole post is a counter argument against FTR.

If 1 tribe attacks members of another tribe then they how on earth is that not a valid reason for war? Not all tribes will be small and submissive like FTR wishes. FTR have obviously annoyed the wrong people here. They obviously didn't expect to encounter a well organised opponant such as PTT and their allies, and they obviously didn't want this war either; they've been trying and failing to eliminate opponants through propoganda ever since the start.

Even ingame their tactics rely on propoganda, fear, blackmailing, etc. But such tactics don't work against everyone. They've yet to show off many coordinated or substantial attacks on their enemies and in my honest opinion their twplus profile is starting to reflect this.


The solution to this is to assess threats better and take out people who won't start a war against you.

I really don't understand this argument at all that "Tribe A shouldn't attack Trbe B because Tribe B has taken tribe A's village and is not willing to offer a peaceful solution." What is wrong in taking it as an act of war if another tribe attacks your tribe?
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Please tell me one thing.

How did you expanded? Which village did you took over? And, would you understand if a tribe, that doesn't have any diplomatic agreement with your tribe, would declare a war to your tribe because you took over their weaker villages?

Man! When will these people finally understand that this is not Simcity?!?!?

This is really strange... :icon_confused:
 

Brbbbq

Guest
krigar said:
Please tell me one thing.

How did you expanded? Which village did you took over? And, would you understand if a tribe, that doesn't have any diplomatic agreement with your tribe, would declare a war to your tribe because you took over their weaker villages?

Man! When will these people finally understand that this is not Simcity?!?!?

This is really strange... :icon_confused:
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the puppet-master is just trying to defend his puppet-servants.
 
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