W16 is the most tribal hugs world due to the lack of any wars between the main tribes and that they look like they have diplo in place so they wont go to war with each other too.
Once again, you have failed to pay heed to all the
evidence offered that proves your claim false. To summarize:
Point #1 - The main tribes -do- war one another, which frequently leads to one of the the two tribes
no longer being a top tribe.
Examples: HRV+Plight+~I~/LOD, HRV/~I~, C²/CND, BANG!/ORC, Plight/ORC+GUNs, BANG!?/PnX, Plight/PnX.
These are but a few. There are other wars among other top tribes as well, and there are also wars against smaller tribes. Many posters have explained that a tribe's recovery time and re-deployment from one war to the next is an involved (lengthy) process due to W16 settings. Like the blooming flower, the fact that you do not observe the petals unfolding does not mean that it fails to bloom. There have been wars between the top 5 tribes from March 2008 - August 2009. [PnX was still in the top 5 as of August 6th, 2009.]
After 18 months of
continuous war involving at least
some of the top tribes
every month since W16 had its first noble, your supposition that from here on out the top tribes will not go to war with one another ever again until W16 ends is outweighed by vast evidence and trends to the contrary.
Point #2 - Today's Diplomacy today is often Tomorrow's Declaration, and Today's War is often Tomorrow's Pact. I will not *pretend* to know any other tribe's diplomacy, but I can give you SEVERAL instances that I
personally know of where Diplomacy between tribes changed:
-a-) DUST had a war with Windex that was ended by diplomacy rather than combat victory (as stated by CBK).
-b-) After accepting Hippos refugees that were at war with ORC, Plight broke their alliance with ORC to declared war on ORC. (The tribal leaders that made that decission later deleted/resigned.)
-c-) GUNs broke a pact with Plight to take ORC's side in the ORC/Plight war.
-d-) Another poster in this thread claimed CND had an alliance that they broke when they went to war with C² (unsubstantiated).
-e-) HRV and ~I~ and Plight
had (past tense) an alliance with an
expiration date clause. The AIDs treaty only bound the allies together until 30 days after a certain condition was met, therafter the alliance ended. Just weeks after the alliance formally ended, HRV declared upon ~I~.
I know of other broken alliances as well that are not worth regurgitating as neither tribe survived. As I said, I will not
pretend to know any other tribe's diplomacy that a spokesman in the aristocracy for that tribe has not already mentioned... and tribes GUARD their diplomacy for just cause. But these few examples above should easily prove that Diplomacy does NOT = Hugz.
You do not
know the diplomacy of the other tribes. Your tribe member who claimed to have the answers for you has been refuted (proven wrong) by at least two of the dukes of those tribes. And furthermore, even IF there is diplomacy between any of these tribes there is no guarantee it will last. A tribe may decide to simply break their pact (although tribes that do this often tend to not get any new pacts offered them, like the rude guest at the party who gets fewer invitations to future parties). Maybe the alliance may have an expiration clause. A 3rd-party circumstance may nullify the pact (like accepting applicants that are refugees from the tribe you have diplomacy with).
After 19 months of continuous and ever-changing diplomacy involving
most tribes to ever exist on W16, and without knowing if any of those agreements are "end game" alliances, your supposition that from here on out existing diplomacy will never again change until W16 ends is outweighed by vast evidence and trends to the contrary.
