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This thread is to discuss the difference's between the wars W2V have had with MoM war vs the [T] war.
I did not feel this belonged in the official war thread as it does not apply only to the W2V VS [T] war.
I use the 3-day timeline to compare...why 3 days you ask...knightsaber posted W2V vs MoM stats 2 days into war And Bo Jo posted 3 days...I do not know what tribe KS was playing for so I use what I consider W2V's first stats post by one of their own members for my time line.
That and also 72 hours is a long time for troops/nobles to hit
W2V VS MOM
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: W2V
Side 2:
Tribes: MoM
Timeframe: 15/11/2011 16:00:00 to 18/11/2011 16:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 887
Side 2: 31
Difference: 856
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 8,560,937
Side 2: 295,681
Difference: 8,265,256
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W2V Vs [T]
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: W2V
Side 2:
Tribes: [T]
Timeframe: 23/01/2012 15:00:00 to 26/01/2012 15:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 57
Side 2: 60
Difference: 3
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 508,534
Side 2: 572,751
Difference: 64,217
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The first thing everyone notices of course is the difference in caps by W2V then vs now. There are several reasons for this but I think the biggest one is fighting an enemy rather than betraying an ally. [T] has never officially claimed kinship or friendship with W2V...some individual players yes but not the tribe as a whole. MoM thought of W2V as brothers and allies to be trusted with their lives.
It is also noticed if you go by od scores (look those up for yourselves if you wish)
Day 3 of the W2V vs MoM war there were 115 mio troops dead.
Day 3 of W2V vs [T] war there is 165 mio dead.
The difference in #'s could be accounted for by the size of the tribes comparing now to than, as there is a larger # of villages supplying troops on both sides.
MoM did not go without a fight..It was just that W2V was that overwhelming.
So now we have to ask ourselves the questions
1. Did W2V make sure that [T] was fighting a war on another front before attacking?---yep they did that
2. are [T] better players than MoM?--- Heck no!! MoM still has some of the best players this world has seen.
3.Was [T] better prepared for a war on the W2V front?---Yes I would say so but the amount of dead troops seems to say otherwise.
4. Were the initial gains by W2V villages that were surrounded in their k's with no support in them before the front line developed?---Entirely possible I do not know, but there are many times when allies have villages sharing k's. Without any preparation these would fall very easily. But was there 800 of them?
5. Has the caliber of W2V members dropped since the MoM war?---I do not think so
6. Is W2V plagued by inactive members not playing accounts to get them involved in this war as they did the mom war?--possible
7. Have W2V sorely underestimated the abilities of [T] members compared to MoM from months of calling them barb-noblers and inexperienced fighters?---Yes by golly I think this is my answer.
W2V has underestimated [T]. Now the world can see's that W2V are not as fearsome as they once thought. It kinda reminds me of -MM- vs MoM, in that MoM underestimated -MM-
Now of course [T] has more members than W2V but so did MoM and MoM had a considerable point lead on W2V when their war started.
Something else as well is that 3 days into the war between W2V and MoM---MoM lost 18 million points of members leaving\getting kicked from the tribe. that is 1800 villages that stopped fighting as part of the unit against W2V.
[T] has lost 1 member with 115 villages. I can not say what happened to that account but it is gone now.
Now I expect some flaming for this as I am saying, (using what I see here as evidence/proof), That W2V are not what they think they are cracked up to be. A lot of players in this world have thought that [T]...teh noobz were going to roll over and die as that is what W2V does to tribes they go to war with.
After 3 days the caps are neck and neck----the body count is appalling---And [T] have begun to prove to everyone else that they belong where they are. [we in [T] always knew it ]
Now discuss/compare/voice your opinion. It's all good
p.s. I do invite some W2V members to analyze as well to compare in all fairness as you know what is happening in your tribe better than I do
I did not feel this belonged in the official war thread as it does not apply only to the W2V VS [T] war.
I use the 3-day timeline to compare...why 3 days you ask...knightsaber posted W2V vs MoM stats 2 days into war And Bo Jo posted 3 days...I do not know what tribe KS was playing for so I use what I consider W2V's first stats post by one of their own members for my time line.
That and also 72 hours is a long time for troops/nobles to hit
W2V VS MOM
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: W2V
Side 2:
Tribes: MoM
Timeframe: 15/11/2011 16:00:00 to 18/11/2011 16:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 887
Side 2: 31
Difference: 856
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 8,560,937
Side 2: 295,681
Difference: 8,265,256
W2V Vs [T]
[spoil]Side 1:
Tribes: W2V
Side 2:
Tribes: [T]
Timeframe: 23/01/2012 15:00:00 to 26/01/2012 15:00:00
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 57
Side 2: 60
Difference: 3
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 508,534
Side 2: 572,751
Difference: 64,217
The first thing everyone notices of course is the difference in caps by W2V then vs now. There are several reasons for this but I think the biggest one is fighting an enemy rather than betraying an ally. [T] has never officially claimed kinship or friendship with W2V...some individual players yes but not the tribe as a whole. MoM thought of W2V as brothers and allies to be trusted with their lives.
It is also noticed if you go by od scores (look those up for yourselves if you wish)
Day 3 of the W2V vs MoM war there were 115 mio troops dead.
Day 3 of W2V vs [T] war there is 165 mio dead.
The difference in #'s could be accounted for by the size of the tribes comparing now to than, as there is a larger # of villages supplying troops on both sides.
MoM did not go without a fight..It was just that W2V was that overwhelming.
So now we have to ask ourselves the questions
1. Did W2V make sure that [T] was fighting a war on another front before attacking?---yep they did that
2. are [T] better players than MoM?--- Heck no!! MoM still has some of the best players this world has seen.
3.Was [T] better prepared for a war on the W2V front?---Yes I would say so but the amount of dead troops seems to say otherwise.
4. Were the initial gains by W2V villages that were surrounded in their k's with no support in them before the front line developed?---Entirely possible I do not know, but there are many times when allies have villages sharing k's. Without any preparation these would fall very easily. But was there 800 of them?
5. Has the caliber of W2V members dropped since the MoM war?---I do not think so
6. Is W2V plagued by inactive members not playing accounts to get them involved in this war as they did the mom war?--possible
7. Have W2V sorely underestimated the abilities of [T] members compared to MoM from months of calling them barb-noblers and inexperienced fighters?---Yes by golly I think this is my answer.
W2V has underestimated [T]. Now the world can see's that W2V are not as fearsome as they once thought. It kinda reminds me of -MM- vs MoM, in that MoM underestimated -MM-
Now of course [T] has more members than W2V but so did MoM and MoM had a considerable point lead on W2V when their war started.
Something else as well is that 3 days into the war between W2V and MoM---MoM lost 18 million points of members leaving\getting kicked from the tribe. that is 1800 villages that stopped fighting as part of the unit against W2V.
[T] has lost 1 member with 115 villages. I can not say what happened to that account but it is gone now.
Now I expect some flaming for this as I am saying, (using what I see here as evidence/proof), That W2V are not what they think they are cracked up to be. A lot of players in this world have thought that [T]...teh noobz were going to roll over and die as that is what W2V does to tribes they go to war with.
After 3 days the caps are neck and neck----the body count is appalling---And [T] have begun to prove to everyone else that they belong where they are. [we in [T] always knew it ]
Now discuss/compare/voice your opinion. It's all good
p.s. I do invite some W2V members to analyze as well to compare in all fairness as you know what is happening in your tribe better than I do