To End The Tyranny

[DeletedUser]

That's like us saying, We will add all the villages we took before you actually declared on us.

Side 1:
Tribes: Tyrant
Side 2:
Tribes: Why??, Why!!

Timeframe: Forever

[h=3]Total conquers:[/h]Side 1: 1,867 Side 2: 3,162 Difference: 1,295
[h=3]Total conquers against opposite side:[/h]Side 1: 99 Side 2: 47 Difference: 52
[h=3]Points value of total conquers:[/h]Side 1: 8,945,326 Side 2: 15,681,705 Difference: 6,736,379
[h=3]Points value of total conquers against opposite side:[/h]Side 1: 758,135 Side 2: 342,489 Difference: 415,646	Hahaha

 

[streetgutt]

Woooowww!! Why?? so strong! incredibleszzzxxz

You strongly disagree not putting Gidi on the stats in the externals, so you post and include them

(PS: streetgut only post when there is something he strongly disagree [like internals and such])


Is that really the "Full side 1 and 2"???? Are you really sure about that LOL Don't kid yourself Hahah

That's like us saying, We will add all the villages we took before you actually declared on us.

Hahaha

I see nothing wrong in also adding those.

 

[DeletedUser]

Only time will tell (since i have now left my position in APEX) i do not have much of a say, Anyway wasn't you bashing for Why?? members? There's a lot of rim players that needed cleaning up.

I was in a basher tribe, but I never actually did any bashing. The closest thing would be attacking L.o.H players, but in each case I cleared and conquered villages for myself. I left villages I was not interested in after I forced the players to quit.

Unfortunately, there were not a lot of rim players to clean up. While talking with three of the four main tribes in the top six of the continent (I was not talking with Why??/Why!!), I found out there was at least a NAP in place with every tribe, with the exception of TIME and Why??/Why!!. That really just left the remnants of L.o.H, which have been food for Why??/Why!! for awhile, and cVc felt the need to declare war on them (a reason against joining them, considering a major component of their pitch was their war stats).

For the record a few weeks ago renship had made some kind of deal with apex where they took his rim villas and he took some of theirs closer to the core in return when we were on better terms.

Fair enough. A lot of the diplomacy on this world has been quite puzzling. I can't say I understand why APEX had fully intended to join the war on Why??'s side, then basically immediately agreed to a NAP with Tyrant once the war was officially declared. I also don't really understand the players from those tribes agreeing to swap villages, and I especially don't understand how a tribe can recruit players that were obviously being targeted by a tribe and not see any consequences. 102 conquers against a tribe seems like a little more than feeding, but it's possible no war was declared.

In case anyone was interested, you can see what the APEX Family/Tyrant skirmish conquer statistics look like on a player level in the spoiler below.

[Spoil]

Skirmish Breakdown (Forever)
Player	Gains	Losses	Net
=Bit Cloud= [Tyrant]	9	1	8
AllYourbAseBelong2uS [Tyrant]	11	2	9
atmospherecf [Tyrant]	31	3	28
durmanush123 [Tyrant]	4	0	4
Invalid Shocker? [Tyrant]	1	1	0
nmason930 [Tyrant]	9	4	5
Please?? [Tyrant]	7	0	7
Power of the Phoenix [Tyrant]	13	6	7
Rainbow =D [Tyrant]	3	1	2
renshi p [Tyrant]	11	21	-10
risharks [Tyrant]	16	1	15
strangewar [Tyrant]	17	10	7
The Absolute Ruler [Tyrant]	4	0	4
Yoon [Tyrant]	0	5	-5
Abby [APEX]	2	0	2
Alpha-Q [420]	1	1	0
Barbarossa Nation [ApexB]	1	0	1
Carnivour [APEX]	1	0	1
Coke [420]	1	15	-14
comatthew6 [ApexB]	0	3	-3
de palm [420]	0	8	-8
Dwild [420]	1	27	-26
Enheduanna [APEX]	10	3	7
FARM RAT [APEX]	3	1	2
G-man [420]	7	1	6
genTokugawa [APEX]	1	1	0
h46ac [420]	2	10	-8
Hells Castle [420]	3	0	3
Hells Castle [APEX]	3	1	2
Hotrat66 [420]	0	2	-2
Jackisduh [ApexB]	1	0	1
joedog16 [APEX]	1	4	-3
Kaas1.0 [ApexB]	1	1	0
Lady Zeeea [420]	0	7	-7
lemmings [APEX]	2	1	1
Lord Asswhoop [APEX]	4	1	3
lordcarr [420]	0	1	-1
louloudas [APEX]	2	1	1
mchelian [420]	0	12	-12
Mryihan [420]	0	4	-4
Mryihan [ApexB]	1	8	-7
PonyRyder [420]	0	6	-6
Qunimade [ApexF]	0	1	-1
RoyalBajer [420]	1	0	1
Russ442 [420]	0	3	-3
skipper1988 [420]	1	4	-3
Slowtimer [ApexF]	0	4	-4
StrawberryQueen [APEX]	1	1	0
tatke [420]	2	1	1
unkn0wn.superuser [420]	1	0	1
WDATA [APEX]	0	2	-2
whurs [APEX]	1	0	1
YogiBear [420]	0	1	-1

[/Spoil]

 

[Yakushi Kabuto]

Nice GIF

I see nothing wrong in also adding those.

To enlighten you again! It is a sarcasm and definitely wrong.

Gidi war stats should not be included in Tyrant's because they are an individual tribe at war with Why?? (Its like putting 420 in your war stats LOL) - "Irrelevant Stats"

As for Please statement, he put all the villages before the war is declared to pump up the conquers which are "Irrelevant Stats" to look good on Tyrant's

Time and time again you learn new things from me

 

[DeletedUser]

^ This guy deserves a medal, Why can't everyone figure it out

 

[streetgutt]

Nice GIF


To enlighten you again! It is a sarcasm and definitely wrong.

Gidi war stats should not be included in Tyrant's because they are an individual tribe at war with Why?? (Its like putting 420 in your war stats LOL) - "Irrelevant Stats"

As for Please statement, he put all the villages before the war is declared to pump up the conquers which are "Irrelevant Stats" to look good on Tyrant's

Time and time again you learn new things from me

I am baffled by your ignorance. When you have two sides of a war then ofcourse its only fair to actually include all tribes from each side.

And you do realise that what you are reffering to as "irrelevant stats"(God of 420) is actually +40% of the conquered villages in the warstats Earl posted?

 

[Yakushi Kabuto]

I am baffled by your ignorance. When you have two sides of a war then ofcourse its only fair to actually include all tribes from each side.

And you do realise that what you are reffering to as "irrelevant stats"(God of 420) is actually +40% of the conquered villages in the warstats Earl posted?

As expected from streety, you never failed to fail. (I will not argue with your points because you just reiterated and I already given my rebuttal through the last post)

Let's get to the point, you're implying that Why?? Family is the underdog of this war?? And Tyrant is using diplomacy with other tribes to do their bidding against their enemy??

 

[DeletedUser]

As expected from streety, you never failed to fail. (I will not argue with your points because you just reiterated and I already given my rebuttal through the last post)

Let's get to the point, you're implying that Why?? Family is the underdog of this war?? And Tyrant is using diplomacy with other tribes to do their bidding against their enemy??

I am not speaking for streetgutt, but I don't see the inclusion of Gidiup in the war stats as being as far off-base as you have been suggesting. It was previously stated that Gidiup and Tyrant have a positive relationship.

...Yes, Gidiup is a failing tribe, but they were and still are our friends...

It is true that there may be two separately declared wars (Why??/Why!! vs. Tyrant and Why??/Why!! vs. Gidiup), but if Tyrant and Gidiup do have that relationship and the wars are being fought simultaneously, then there is no practical distinction between the two wars. Suggesting it is completely separate because they were declared separately is similar to kicking players before their villages are conquered and claiming they are not war caps or stating no diplomacy exists between two tribes because they are not marked (even if both tribes have agreed not to attack one another).

Even if it is not official in name, stats would suggest a close relationship that is similar to that of a family or academy tribe. What is a family/academy tribe if not a tribe with a close diplomatic relationship, in which members of the lower ranking tribe eventually join or are internalled by the higher ranking tribe? A check on tribe changes and conquer history would suggest this is the relationship Tyrant and Gidiup have at this point.

[Spoil]Side 1: Tribes: Tyrant
Side 2:
Tribes: Gidiup


Timeframe: Forever


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 64
Side 2: 1
Difference: 63

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 458,321
Side 2: 3,312
Difference: 455,009

Prevous Tribe	Player	Action	Date/Time	Points
Gidiup	x DEATHS FURY x	Joined	02nd March 2016 - 06:07	315,230
Gidiup	lehm0070	Joined	02nd March 2016 - 06:07	239,581
Gidiup	octagonal	Joined	01st March 2016 - 11:07	379,669
Gidiup	inthefog	Joined	28th February 2016 - 09:04	430,743
Gidiup	the invisible	Joined	27th February 2016 - 20:04	579,321
Gidiup	shockandawe	Joined	25th February 2016 - 06:04	472,604
Gidiup	Deception	Joined	16th February 2016 - 06:04	245,313

[/Spoil]

I would not doubt it if you say the relationship was not founded as a family/academy tribe, but the reality is that it did not end up being all that different in the end. There is nothing wrong with the relationship, and many other tribes are doing the exact same thing. The only issue, if you can even call it that, is not acknowledging it for what it is and considering them as much a part in the Why?? vs. Tyrant war as Why!!.

 

[royal14]

If i may say so the war stats you keep posting are wrong.. there not updated. Ive done more then 360 odd..


Just sayen

 

[DeletedUser92617]

its kind of like what we have been saying was proven when all those players from gidiup joined tyrant..so lets just call gidiup the academy tribe to tyrant so now this war is known as why family vs tyrant family I guess those stats do mater :icon_eek:

 

[Yakushi Kabuto]

its kind of like what we have been saying was proven when all those players from gidiup joined tyrant..so lets just call gidiup the academy tribe to tyrant so now this war is known as why family vs tyrant family I guess those stats do mater :icon_eek:

I can't... I can't even comprehend this statement. Its very ridiculous!

 

[DeletedUser]

Label it how you see fit, and we will do the same. Really makes no difference, why is anyone hung up on something so trivial. Perspective is different so ofc we will have clashing views on it.

 

[DeletedUser]

its kind of like what we have been saying was proven when all those players from gidiup joined tyrant..so lets just call gidiup the academy tribe to tyrant so now this war is known as why family vs tyrant family I guess those stats do mater :icon_eek:

Despite the extra argument I added to my previous post, I would not actually consider them a family/academy without some conversational evidence to support that. I found Tyrant's conquers against Gidiup surprising, especially since they dated back to the first of January (weeks before the Why?? vs. Tyrant war, although I do not know what the time frame is with the Why?? vs. Gidiup war).

My main point in the previous post was that it is irrelevant if Gidiup is its own tribe with its own leadership. Allies and random coalitions alike have declared war against a single tribe or allied tribes. Whether they join under the same war declaration or declare separately, fighting the same tribe at the same time makes it part of the same war if there are common goals. Tyrant's arguments that Gidiup do not belong in the war stats are well-founded, provided Tyrant and Gidiup are fighting Why?? with completely separate goals and are not affiliated in any way.

The question I would ask is, "If Tyrant made peace with Why?? two weeks ago, would Gidiup choose to continue fighting Why?? with no assistance from Tyrant?" If the honest answer to that question is "yes", then the wars should be tracked separately and Why?? can only argue they had been focusing on the war with Gidiup over the war with Tyrant (rather than that the single war damage is being done against Gidiup).

The conquers, including Gidiup, from the time of the war declaration in this forum until now are shown below.

[Spoil]Side 1: Tribes: Why??, Why!!
Side 2:
Tribes: Tyrant, Gidiup


Timeframe: 22/01/2016 13:31:00 to 04/03/2016 22:24:43


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 142
Side 2: 162
Difference: 20

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 1,154,066
Side 2: 1,248,077
Difference: 94,011

[/Spoil]

...Is that really the "Full side 1 and 2"???? Are you really sure about that LOL Don't kid yourself Hahah...

If there are more tribes involved in the war, on either side, then you can announce them here, so that those who are not directly involved can get the full picture of the war.

 

[DeletedUser]

Tbf a healthy amount of those conquers against Gidi are from when they merged with Why's ally ROH (think thats what their name was). Still not sure why that merge took place today, obviously was a bust. But not like it makes a difference. Stats show them taking villages from gidi but from another perspective they just took villages that were on their side the whole world.

 

[DeletedUser]

Tbf a healthy amount of those conquers against Gidi are from when they merged with Why's ally ROH (think thats what their name was). Still not sure why that merge took place today, obviously was a bust. But not like it makes a difference. Stats show them taking villages from gidi but from another perspective they just took villages that were on their side the whole world.

I took a look at all of the Why??/Why!! conquers against Gidiup. It looks like your statement is accurate. A sizable percentage of the conquers were against players who were previously in RoH. On the other hand, the majority of the conquers Why??/Why!! have against Gidiup players are from those that are now in Tyrant.

[Spoil]

In RoH?	Current Tribe	Player	Conquers
No	Noobs	99jr12 [Gidiup]	1
No	Gidiup	Dimi is king [Gidiup]	12
No	Gidiup	dinostar [Gidiup]	1
Yes	Why??	dorkryder123 [Gidiup]	2
Yes		FairMay [Gidiup]	3
No	Gidiup	gemadar [Gidiup]	2
Yes	Why??	Grx77 [Gidiup]	1
No	Tyrant	inthefog [Gidiup]	42
Yes		kokrakogumango [Gidiup]	14
No	Tyrant	lehm0070 [Gidiup]	1
No	Tyrant	octagonal [Gidiup]	5
No		pyon-yan [Gidiup]	2
No		Shadoo96 [Gidiup]	1
No	Tyrant	the invisible [Gidiup]	9
Yes		wareagle [Gidiup]	2

Percentage in RoH	22.45%
Percentage in Why??	3.06%
Percentage in RoH or Why??	22.45%
Percentage in Tyrant	58.16%

All of the players that were taken in by Why?? were at one point in RoH, which is why there is no difference in the conquer percentage when they are combined with those that were previously in RoH.[/Spoil]

 

[Alpha-Q]

I can't... I can't even comprehend this statement. Its very ridiculous!

It doesn't seem that hard a statement to comprehend. Maybe you meant you don't agree? Or maybe you just cant read so goodly.

[video=youtube;NQ-8IuUkJJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-8IuUkJJc[/video]

 

[Yakushi Kabuto]

It doesn't seem that hard a statement to comprehend. Maybe you meant you don't agree? Or maybe you just cant read so goodly.

[video=youtube;NQ-8IuUkJJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-8IuUkJJc[/video]

Well like humpy said there is no need to argue

But really?? I did say in my last statement that it is "Very Ridiculous". Can't you read?

incomprehensible - because it is very ridiculous

 

[Ignoramus of the Law]

Well like humpy said there is no need to argue

But really?? I did say in my last statement that it is "Very Ridiculous". Can't you read?

incomprehensible - because it is very ridiculous

I think it's against logic to say something is both incomprehensible and ridiculous.
If you cannot comprehend it, then you can't possibly formulate an opinion about it.

If something is incomprehensible then that is it. There is no further discussion from your point of view about that something. Either the author reiterates his / her argument in a comprehensible manner for you to understand or you simply retreat from the discussion. Argumenting about things we don't comprehend is what rendered useless democracy and free speech.

 

[DeletedUser]

For the record a few weeks ago renship had made some kind of deal with apex where they took his rim villas and he took some of theirs closer to the core in return when we were on better terms.

It looks like that deal is null and void. This past week, renshi p appears to be fighting to hold on to the villages APEX is conquering.

[Spoil]

Village	Points	Old owner	New owner	Date/Time
[025] Tyrannical (348|586) K53	7,616	renshi p [Tyrant]	Deather22 [APEX]	3/4/2016 11:26:03	Cap
wha (345|584) K53	3,627	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/4/2016 4:37:26	Cap, Recap, Recap
wha (345|584) K53	3,627	Enheduanna [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	3/3/2016 17:00:41
wha (345|584) K53	3,627	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/3/2016 16:55:40
044 Out Farming (352|591) K53	4,913	renshi p [Tyrant]	Hells Castle [APEX]	3/3/2016 13:43:47	Cap, Recap, Recap
044 Out Farming (352|591) K53	4,913	FARM RAT [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	3/3/2016 11:56:57
044 Out Farming (352|591) K53	4,913	renshi p [Tyrant]	FARM RAT [APEX]	3/3/2016 11:56:42
elf (345|585) K53	3,867	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/3/2016 4:07:15	Cap, Recap, Recap
elf (345|585) K53	3,867	Enheduanna [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	3/1/2016 20:29:50
elf (345|585) K53	3,867	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/1/2016 20:29:40
and (344|593) K53	9,348	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/1/2016 9:29:26	Cap, Recap, Recap
and (344|593) K53	9,348	Enheduanna [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	3/1/2016 5:18:32
and (344|593) K53	9,348	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	3/1/2016 5:15:14
mud (342|593) K53	9,953	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	2/29/2016 23:59:17	Cap
and (344|593) K53	9,541	Enheduanna [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	2/29/2016 21:29:50	Cap & Recap
and (344|593) K53	9,528	renshi p [Tyrant]	Enheduanna [APEX]	2/29/2016 21:01:49
044 Out Farming (352|591) K53	5,150	FARM RAT [APEX]	renshi p [Tyrant]	2/29/2016 18:20:17	Cap & Recap
044 Out Farming (352|591) K53	5,454	renshi p [Tyrant]	FARM RAT [APEX]	2/29/2016 14:51:45

[/Spoil]

In the last week, the 420 players in ApexB have managed to hold steady, and APEX appears to be continuing to make some progress against Tyrant. Even when taking the first few days of the merge into account, the APEX family is ahead.

[Spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: APEX, ApexB
Side 2:
Tribes: Tyrant


Timeframe: 24/02/2016 00:00:00 to 04/03/2016 22:24:43


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 41
Side 2: 31
Difference: 10

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 276,208
Side 2: 230,998
Difference: 45,210

Side 1:
Tribes: APEX, ApexB
Side 2:
Tribes: Tyrant


Timeframe: Last week


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 38
Side 2: 19
Difference: 19

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 263,909
Side 2: 135,304
Difference: 128,605

[/Spoil]

The Why?? family has been holding their ground recently too (with or without the inclusion of Gidiup in the stats).

[Spoil]
Side 1:
Tribes: Why??, Why!!
Side 2:
Tribes: Tyrant, Gidiup


Timeframe: Last week


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 17
Side 2: 12
Difference: 5

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 137,199
Side 2: 97,394
Difference: 39,805

Side 1:
Tribes: Why??, Why!!
Side 2:
Tribes: Tyrant


Timeframe: Last week


Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 15
Side 2: 12
Difference: 3

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 121,735
Side 2: 97,394
Difference: 24,341

[/Spoil]

 

[DeletedUser106815]

The Why?? family has been holding their ground recently too (with or without the inclusion of Gidiup in the stats).

[/Spoil]

Every time I think they've wrapped up their internals, another player or two flatlines. Be interesting to see how Why?? would be doing if they devoted their full attention to Tyrant.

On a similar note, with the core now mostly settled, it will be interesting to see if the war expands and Llamas/Noobs start going at it with each other. Have a proper north/south battle on our hands. Still a lot of food for both tribes on their rims, but once the leftovers from SK and Gidiup are gone, that front should heat up.