However, you are forgetting one key fact- you guys began fighting LoEN around the start of June, 2011. Phoenx had been at war long before then with RAM. Phoenx doesn't have its back up against the rim like you guys do. There is no real area where Phoenx is safe from an enemy attack. Phoenx doesn't have extra dead accounts that can be used to stack frontlines nor are there ever accounts to be internally nobled. LoEN wanted war when things were still looking somewhat good for RAM... what you are saying is that you expect Phoenx to have set itself up for a 3 front war with LoEN from the west and RAM from the east, and both of them in the south (k93-95) when you started your war with LoEN long after. Who exactly was going to provide defense and sitting for that? Not to mention that it was a known fact that there were RAM players and some of their friends from w14 and w18 playing in LoEN for a while too, which would have allowed for increased coordination. I mean look at this map, its from December 1st, months after the LoEN ordeal, and Phoenx is still surrounded on 3 sides by LoEN and RAM. http://forum.tribalwars.net/showpost.php?p=6326558&postcount=201 There is no way that you can criticize Phoenx for re-napping LoEN. Pajuno did what he had to do to ensure the safety and longevity of his tribe; I am sure that you would have done the same if you were aware of the exact internal state of Phoenx at the time. If this short post wasnt enough to convince you of that, cece, you have my skype I would love a good civil debate.