Haha, you guys make me laugh :lol: (We should have a flogging a dead horse smilie!
), and heh, no offence but you two need it at least as much as me
Payback, i never requested admittance to BLOC, nor ever wished it, for the reasons outlined above, although as i said Pani did.
As i have said numerous times, i am not PRO Bloc, as in the entity itself or how it works, has worked, and therin lies the distinction.
Sure, i am generally pro Clorox, and i like and respect CEG. REB i just don't really know, never really sharing any Geographical or Diplomatic interests with them.
But as i have stated many times, the whole Bloc/abloc thing, unless you are part of either Faction directly, isn't really an issue, although i know you, Pyro and CSB, being directly a part of it, tend to view all within that framework, and sometimes i think that can be a narrow view.
One can share many views, even enemies, allies etc, without particularly liking an entity like "Bloc", and for the same reason "Abloc" if it becomes merely the same in that it views all as Pro abloc or not - what are you replacing exactly, therefore?
Yes, at the time, it was purely
for Fenix, and no doubt it helped Clorox - and no harm done if it did, i've never made any bones about that ... but also the distinction between what is good for fenix, and it not being a BLOC/Abloc greater issue, you guys could never get past, which i can understand to a degree... but well... sometimes such a narrow view isnt helpful - but the only reason was a strategic one for FENIX.
As to Pani, aye he is a canny leader, although him stating, as he did - what was after all rather a slightly different question
: that "He would have viewed 2500 fakes as hostile too" is not quite the same thing is it? :lol:
It was clear what was going to happen to KOF in the south, and Fenix needed an outlet westwards for expansion and strategic grounds.
As to the other issue, if you had read the mails, combined with postings on the forum, i suspect, whatever KNT's direct involvment may or may not have been..
I suspect that both you, in the same position, Pyro and esp CSB, were this happening internally at KNT itself...
would take a very dim view
to a small group looking to split the tribe, collect players together that might split away, and to deliberatley in their own words to try and stall operations, or put emphasis into areas that were crazy, or just not important to the current tribes stated approach -
There is a distinction with players talking to whom they like and indeed having any view they want, and that was never curtailed, but it's another matter entirely that they should be open if they are to remain in their tribe about what they are attempting, talking about and doing.
Sadly for them they had no real support, and FENIX was never ever going to be a DAVOE, but i think 99% of tribal leaders would take the issue seriously.
When i decided to leave Fenix to have more fun in a smaller tribe, i was upfront with Pani and drew up a list who i might invite, and after a few negotiations, we pretty much sorted it out amicably.. but certainly upfront and honestly.
*hands the flogger back over to Payback* :lol:
Oh and Merry christmas to you all, while i am on