what does your completed village look like?

Tarion

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"A level 27 warehouse, if I remember correctly, can only hold 215k of each. You're losing a lot of res, as when you get more villages, your res WILL overflow. And considering most of these people are opposed to lv25 markets to correct the balance, they actually stand to lose more than me!"

Here's something for you. Premium + Speed 1 world.

Because you can mass-build noble bundles, your resources won't overflow. 215k. That takes nearly 4 days to fill. With a lvl 20 Market (Always been enough merchants for me) you're not going to max it.
 

Azraal

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dsw, iirc plays speed 2 worlds primarily so his comments will be related to those.
 

cam sadge

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but that is 2 days and if he is premiun it only take 1 min to do
 

servy

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In conclusion- I don't care enough about the extra 300 troops per village or whatever it is to be bothered keeping the village points low. It makes no difference at all. Good skill and strategy wins wars, not the fact you had a few more troops than your opponant in some of your villages.
That's where you lose all of your credibility. You're saying that we're wrong and that our strategy isn't good because you don't care about it and don't think it matters. It's one thing to say that you will have a better outcome if you do something differently, but you (generally) aren't saying that. You have almost no valid arguments other than that it isn't worth the effort (which in some cases I'd say you're right, and in others I'd say you're wrong).
 

osdeath

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so bassically your losing far more unit than neccesary when you attack, and because of that decreased productivity due to increased training times because you seem to be a sim city player and like to level up all the buildings that dont need to be? yeah your a real pro :icon_rolleyes:
 

dsw123

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Tbh Azraal, speed 2 just generally means you queue in 2x the troops, and it's done in 2x the time. I would contend that this village build should be used on speed 1 aswell. Because ultimately, when you max everything out except the hq, you gain flexibility. You need rams quickly? Just aswell you have that lv15 workshop. You need to rebuild defence quickly, so decide to use hcav? That's what the lv20 stable is for. You have real life friends who just started on this game, and want to send them lots of res? Just aswell you have that level 25 market!

With regards to the hiding place, 15 troops is neither here nor there. If you ever decide to dodge a clearing though, that hiding place saves 2k of each- about what it cost you to build it, so it pays for itself. :icon_wink:

Tarion- I click the "store max bundles" option every single day, yet I still get overflowing res. It's because of the way villages are set out. For starters, bundles use more clay than iron, so you slowly end up with a surplus of iron/shortage of clay. In the end (lets assume a speed 1 world, as you seem to play them more), you get 24x2400 res per hour= 57600 res per day. Let's call it 60k for ease. However, over time, your iron is getting maxed to 400k because of the surplus, and considering clay is always a shortage because of the fact it is used most for bundles, meaning you can only store 2 bundles a day, means the only way to remove the surplus is by markets. Lv25 ones work better. :lol:

(To be fair, I don't bother removing the surplus, cos I'm lazy. But one day I might need to)

no wans't it was on a speed world and there was a second gap which i manged to biuld them in after a clearing one
Heh, fair enough. Though in a speed world he should be sending more than a 25 axe escort. And used a full nuke.

Basically, I've yet to be convinced the extra troops make any difference at all. If you're better than your opponant, and have a similar number of villages, you will triumph regardless of whether he has 100 extra troops in his villages. If he is better than you, a few hundred extra troops won't save you.
 

Tarion

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"Tarion- I click the "store max bundles" option every single day, yet I still get overflowing res. It's because of the way villages are set out. For starters, bundles use more clay than iron, so you slowly end up with a surplus of iron/shortage of clay. In the end (lets assume a speed 1 world, as you seem to play them more), you get 24x2400 res per hour= 57600 res per day. Let's call it 60k for ease. However, over time, your iron is getting maxed to 400k because of the surplus, and considering clay is always a shortage because of the fact it is used most for bundles, meaning you can only store 2 bundles a day, means the only way to remove the surplus is by markets. Lv25 ones work better."

Which is why I use Heavy Cavalry. Never really encountered that problem. I tend to use my armies enough that they're not sat around full.
 

DeletedUser25046

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i max out my villages and will always do so. yeah i'm a pointwhore live with it.
 

dsw123

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servy said:
That's where you lose all of your credibility. You're saying that we're wrong and that our strategy isn't good because you don't care about it and don't think it matters. It's one thing to say that you will have a better outcome if you do something differently, but you (generally) aren't saying that. You have almost no valid arguments other than that it isn't worth the effort (which in some cases I'd say you're right, and in others I'd say you're wrong).
That's probably because it isn't worth the effort! :lol:

Of course my 10000 axes won't produce better results than a guy who didn't max his buildings and so has 10200 axes. I never claimed they would. BUT...

10696 seems like a nice number. It's probably because 9 turned upside down is 6, so it seems to have an air of symetry about it. Either way, it's nice to look at on the map.

It's nice not to have an annoying "construct" link next to some buildings in the village HQ. The layout looks better.

Having 10696pts instead of 9k and less means you get a bigger wall around your villages. Again, asthetic reasons, but you can't deny it looks better on the map.

Level 25 markets and lv15 workshops are good for flexibility.

If you weren't supposed to max out your buildings there wouldn't be an option to do so.

osdeath said:
so bassically your losing far more unit than neccesary when you attack, and because of that decreased productivity due to increased training times because you seem to be a sim city player and like to level up all the buildings that dont need to be? yeah your a real pro
No, I'm not losing "far" more units. The addition of 300 axes to a standard nuke of 9k axe/2500 lcav/ 250 rams decreases casualties on the attackers side by around 30 axe/5 lcav. It can be replaced in an hour!

Also...

You're not your.
 

dsw123

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Timjohns has the right idea. :icon_smile:

Tarion- I don't use my armies as much as I used to, which is probably why our views differ. I still say a lv30 warehouse is a good thing though. What if you get banned, and it takes a few days before the admins let you back on? You don't want to have wasted all that res do ya? Same deal if your internet connection breaks, and you can't access the net for a while. Or you go on holiday, and can't set a sitter. Or (heaven forbid!) you take a few days break from tribalwars cos you can't be bothered with it.
 

servy

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I usually have a lvl 5-6 workshop in most of my villages and it's still almost always not doing anything, even when I'm faking a lot.

I usually have lvl 18-20 markets, and most of the time I don't need that. Anytime I need to send more than that to any one village it just means I send the resources from several different villages.

If you like your villages to be built higher for asthetic reasons, feel free. I don't have a problem with that, but you coming here and criticizing others for not doing it is something I have a problem with.

Those little differences won't change much when you're better than your opponent or vice versa, but every so often you're faced with an opponent of equal strength and skill, and something like this can actually tip the scales.
 

osdeath

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now im my standard offensive village, i have no market (never moving resources out of an offensive there always being used on troops) no hiding place, i have an extra 874 pop room, now that would make a difference, and currently im tryin out the idea of demoloshing all the resource buildings to level 0 and "importing" all resource needed from my other villages, which gives me an extra 2569, and that really would make the difference in any battle, so i dont see how you can just say that having a few buildings higher than needed can really make a difference
 

dsw123

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If you reckon a couple of thousand extra troops is worth losing 4800 res per hour for, then go ahead! :lol: Be sure to tell us how it went when you are sent to the rim!

Also, with regards to your 874 pop room making a difference, let's just look at that claim more closely. I'll be nice and assume it's 874 extra axes, as they have more attack power than lcavs per population.

Standard nuke vs standard defensive village:

Attacker: 9000 2500 250
Losses: 9000 2500 250

Defender:10000 10000
Losses: 5948 5948

Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11

Just to be clear, this is 9k axe, 2500 lcav, 250 rams, vs 10k spears and 10k swords. The defenders have a level 20 wall, and all units (on both sides) are level 3. Luck is set at 0 either way, and morale is 100%.

Now, let's add your 874 extra axes....

Attacker9874 2500 250
Losses: 9874 2500 250

Defender: 10000 10000
Losses: 6425 6425

Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 10

Same deal as before with regards to luck, morale, techs, and wall level. You're killing 472 more spears and swords. Hardly a huge deal. It get's even more irrelevant when you consider that most people stack defence, meaning your extra axes aren't really doing anything productive.

Servy- vs equal opponants it most likely becomes a stalemate anyway, as defence beats offence 1 vs 1. Normally tribes help out though, so it becomes team vs team, rather than player vs player. The better tribe wins at the end of the day (and one tribe is always better, whether it be due to internal problems, or external).
 

DeletedUser25046

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Timjohns has the right idea. :icon_smile:

Tarion- I don't use my armies as much as I used to, which is probably why our views differ. I still say a lv30 warehouse is a good thing though. What if you get banned, and it takes a few days before the admins let you back on? You don't want to have wasted all that res do ya? Same deal if your internet connection breaks, and you can't access the net for a while. Or you go on holiday, and can't set a sitter. Or (heaven forbid!) you take a few days break from tribalwars cos you can't be bothered with it.
where did this come from. yes that is the correct spelling
 

DeletedUser4596

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I've been reading this thread, biting my tongue not to reply. I've had enough with you fouls. Can't you see Dsw123 is just being a troll? He was a terrible and annoying troll in w1 P&P and has come back to annoy you all here.
 
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jerry911

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i say a lv 20 Village hq it give you a good time for rebuild and dosen't take too much population,

a lv 20 barrack because i think it is a waste of population and resource for a
lv 25 one and the time repuire for trops are alomost the same unless you have people always attacking you,

a lv 15 to 20 depend on how often you having to attack people

I say a level 7 workshop, cause you can build both cat and ram and at a good speed

simthry is lv 20 for acdamy

and statue if you play on a world has that

Timber camp, clay pit and iron mine is level 30 always

Fram is max

Wearhouse is at least 25

Hiding place is no important, it only take 8 population so if you want demolish it that fine

Wall must be level 20 all the time.
 

servy

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Jerry, that is the worst village build I've ever seen.
Other than needing a lvl 25 barracks there's not much wrong.

(he neglected to mention things like academies and markets though..)
 

Azraal

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You need everything minus the hq fully maxed out...
*sighs* you dont NEED everything apart from that maxed out, YOU, yourself, you WANT it maxed out. When it gets to the plain pedantic stage it is just a matter of opinion.