LOL, OK...COD merged SLW into them because BDeath were owning SLW so badly and they had to save herbinator's sorry @$$. That refers us back to point 1 - the BDeath merge into D3TH only happened after this time. The original BDeath/SLW war went on for about a year before that. We then re-formed after D3TH merged into XXXX (minus some members who went straight to XXXX). We intended to die fighting COD, at least the border members who had merged from SLW, anyway. The cease-fire agreement was fraught for the entire 2 or 3 months that it lasted. And we couldn't have fought them while we were in XXXX, at the time. COD were not even on XXXX's radar. And many of us were already tired of playing. But the weird part was, we lasted. And at length, XXXX joined the war, or actually declared their own war. Not long after, I saw that it would be a convenient time to cut loose and quit the game, at last. I knew BDeath members who wanted to continue would be able to continue as XXXX.
The time I actually left, was just a few days before SLW re-formed. I had no idea they were going to do that. It was unfortunate, because for a time, XXXX were not at war with this new tribe, and that gave SLW a chance to beat on the headless BDeath. This was last November I believe. I had effectively quit a month before, but tied up lose ends before actually announcing it. (Even so the announcement still came before SLW reappeared, and I believe would have been in early November). We had already effectively lost many of our best players as per Shekijam's account above. Only he has my leaving time wrong. ccamp had already been unable to participate for many months, whalefish had gone, and tribalsquire had just quit - these players were all important in the south, around K81 where we had a major problem with the playerless itdox account.
Anyway, just saying - because this member had been interested in the history of COD, and for a long time BDeath had a large part to play, because of COD's connection to SLW. Yes, it was a war that drove them together, BDeath owning their little buddies. I had a lot of correspondence, news and inside information on them for a long period. You could see them falling apart from not long after SLW originally merged into them in May 2009. They couldn't agree on policy and direction, they mass recruited, their diplomacy absolutely sucked after their old leaders left. They managed to annoy every single tribe one after the other - not through ganging up, but through entirely separate incidents - until they had no allies left at all. They were not going to win this world. Their early arrogance had something to back it up, and was do-able on that small scale. But not on a world scale and plagued with inactivity and poor quality recruitment. And people just doing stuff without the tribe agreeing on it.
That is sooo incorrect Coda. We merged into $CoD$ because A) a lack of activity on our backside B) many many leadership departures and C) because of geographical and similar war styles.
As for the downfall of $CoD$, I don't think anyone realizes the amount of leadership changed within $CoD$. There were many people unhappy with top leadership, myself include. I'm going to put in an email here then between myself and q.
I'll pick up here December 22, 2009 -
Q -
Just stopped in to see what was going where, I did put over a year into this game, after all.
How are you? How's the tribe? Everything I can see on the forums indicates that despite the fact it took him a while, ADude seems to be finally doing what I expected and wrecking all my hard work.
Is the news better from within? No propaganda.
Myself -
I'm doing great. A lot has happened since I last seen you about. Tbh we've had lots of changes in leadership and *some* problems in leadership. Cliff left out of the blue, as I am sure you know of his cancer we were very worried about that. Then DT took the reigns and did a good job. In a lot of ways he led like you. But severe health issues came up with his wife and he too left.
Then Powerbonds (from EXP) led for about a week and then dissapeared. Tom then suddenly popped back up (he was gone the whole summer) and is now "leading"
About 2 months ago herb and myself and another baron almost all left because nothing was getting done. As I am sure you know, Tom just isn't made out for leading. He doesn't like to his foot down on issues.
With DT gone I was pushed into the Diplo spot with 0 allies and XXXX relations tight with XIV. The collapse of RBE was horrible for us because we were then left the one out in the cold diplomatically.
We've also went through a few war general changes. It's almost a completely different leadership since you were are around. Chaya is barely there, Clittleton/ fatterpunk are our current war generals.
Tom trys, he's just not it if you know what I mean.
Q-
I knew Cliff left. I didn't know he had cancer. If he knew at that point, he'd have told me -- I don't think he knew yet. I hope he's keeping in touch and providing updates, and that they are good news and not bad. I assume dba passed as well, if he was being honest he only had six months to live, and that clock has run out.
I have no interest in returning, but thanks for the offer -- stopping by and saying hello is fun and enjoyable, TW really wasn't anymore. Tom ran me out on a rail, and when you start purging your good leaders -- even if they are part time -- the tribe will collapse eventually. If Achmed is gone too, that doesn't give me warm fuzzies.
It's up to SLW now. I brought y'all in because I placed a wager that you would be the future of the tribe, being able to survive as long as you did was due to good leadership. So, do your job, do it well, because what's left in that list of people is not terribly exciting to me.
Your only shot is to silence the forum posters, bring back a modicum of respect, and hope that you can convince XXXX that leadership in CoD is reformed and willing to do the hard work. Then, at least, they will leave you alone.
Myself -
Well, 3 of the active 5 members in leadership are from SLW. As for dba, yes that's our beliefs too. He suddenly dissapeared also. Kid had stopped in for a few days a month ago. He said that he was wrongfully arrested and was going to court against the state for wrongful enprisonment. He's yet to pop back up. It's been hard losing our core group, as I am sure you no longer notice most the names on our members list.
I had actually mail Jon earlier today about sitting down sometime over the attack break and talking diplomatically about the 2 tribe. Currently the only thing between the 2 of us in the pact that you and Jon laid down.
Both tribes are still honoring that.
We've just have run out of friends for the moment lol. Besides us, there are no other super powers in the south. XIV is allied to all of those nothern tribes with crap loads of support in their villages.
I'm just not sure as the current diplo, in which direction to take the tribe. I would like to make relations with XXXX and us closer, but the problem is they are allied to 2 big tribes (XIV & Bdeath) attacking us.
Q -
*snips quotes* Ugh, that was getting long.
Okay, here's what I know. Andy will break a deal as soon as it's beneficial. Dyakovo and Coda will accept a deal, and stick to the terms while trying to push the envelope as much as they can. In the end they will hold the line, however. The reformed SlW contingent is your friend, despite the fact they suck, they make good cannon fodder. You seem to have forged diplomacy with them, which is good.
In the end, this is a game, and XXXX knows the game. The only way to stay afloat now is to either fight and destroy both FINAL and XXXX at once, or to convince Jon that staying out of the conflict to create an endgame war to end all wars with CoD is the way to go. Don't be coy, don't act like you'll honor deals with them. Tell them like it is, you think they're better than FINAL, and that the way you want to see it all end is in one big war with them to see who takes the prize.
It's what I told Jon I hoped for a long time ago, that we'd be the last two tribes standing. You can quote me on it. What CoD needs to do now is remain consistent, and beat the everloving shit out of FINAL. Keep winning that war decisively and you can convince Jon that he wants to fight you more than them -- it's more fun.
In the end, that's why we all play.
Myself -
We've already tried making a deal with Bdeath, but they are allied to XXXX and FINAL and seem to be sticking too it.
I'm on good term with Jon and I usually talk to him 2-3 times a weak. Jon is a verry very smart leader. He's set it up so that he has the entire roam of the NW. He allied up with Bdeath to make a border between us and them and of course FINAL on the other side. They have played diplomatically perfect this far. I'm just worried that Jon starts thinking along the lines of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
They have everything clicking for them right now. A strong core, good leadership, and willing active members.
The way he talks it sounds like he is up for honoring your argeement unless of course that we break it first.
A few guys in leadership want me to try and establish borders with them. I'm not sure if it's such a great idea to try and push it at the moment. What do you think?
We are also very close to declaring on Bdeath due their attacks on our far western members.
Sorry for draging you into this btw, I just need someone with an outside view that I can trust that knows what they are talking about to run all of this threw.
Q -
BDeath has no reason to cut deals with CoD. They didn't get a great one last time, because I negotiate too damn well -- I got SLW and they got nothing. Problem is I expected them to be dead at this stage, not to require more dealmaking.
If you are on good terms with Jon, then keep it that way. That's all you need to do. Friendlies declare for fun, as compared to us and ~I~, or EXP, or LKA, etc -- who were all just assholes to us and so we crushed them.
Just keep being nice, and just indicate from time to time that a good friendly fight at the end of the game would be a fun way to end things. Make sure members all respect their tribe, don't say mean things about them in the forum, etc. That's the only hope you've got.
Really, your position isn't very good, and the only chance you have is to keep XXXX out of the fight. You never need to try to get them to join it.
