What is wrong in INSO land?

[DeletedUser82316]

Well there are MANY things wrong in INSO land. I have asked numerous questions of the INSO leadership in these forums that have yet to be answered. I have given them every opportunity to come clean with their motivations. I have asked what REALLY happened when FlorianO attacked TR (an INSO ally), and this turned out to be an account SAT by INSO. No response.

The leaders of INSO have tried to play "cover up" to many wrongs. The most recent is a witch hunt against one of their own, resulting in what may be the first ever defection of an INSO member. Does INSO have a "traitor" among their midst? It is certainly possible, just not who they were conducting their witch hunt on. Here is a very interesting circumstance that could be suspicious. The INSO player arrow ltm lost a large cluster of villages to NEB in a matter of days.


Side 1:
Tribes: N.E.B
Side 2:
Players: Arrow Ltm

Timeframe: 01/05/2011 02:00:00 to 05/05/2011 02:00:00

Total conquers:

Side 1: 293
Side 2: 16
Difference: 277

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 84
Side 2: 0
Difference: 84

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 2,765,193
Side 2: 152,743
Difference: 2,612,450

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 793,626
Side 2: 0
Difference: 793,626

How could this happen? Well either this player made an error in judgement or he cleared the villages for NEB to noble. Here is an interesting scout report from a village in the middle of this lost cluster.

hoss32137 ([10:45:62]Psycho Redneck) attacks INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10

May 02, 2011 01:03:36
The defender has won

Luck (from attacker's point of view)

8.7%
Morale: 100%
Attacker: hoss32137
Origin: [10:45:62]Psycho Redneck (52|146) K10
Hidden by the report owner.


Defender: Arrow Ltm
Destination: INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10

Quantity: 202609 72889 53153 162354 589 24864 6646 29527 2976 175 0 4
Losses: Hidden by the report owner.

Espionage
Resources scouted: 104.652 78.012 144.612
Buildings: Village Headquarters (Level 20)
Barracks (Level 25)
Stable (Level 20)
Workshop (Level 3)
Academy (Level 1)
Smithy (Level 20)
Rally point (Level 1)
Statue (Level 1)
Market (Level 20)
Timber camp (Level 30)
Clay pit (Level 30)
Iron mine (Level 30)
Farm (Level 30)
Warehouse (Level 30)
Wall (Level 20)

http://en13.tribalwars.net/public_report/cba7b08dbf91763bccda4c25af0bc5bc

I choose to give the player the benefit of the doubt, that this was an error. However this is a great example of how circumstances can look suspicious. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I wonder what the real story is about what is going on in INSO, but we will never hear it from the INSO leadership. I challenge the members of INSO to examine and question their leaders. If you don't get the answers you are happy with, there is a tribe that has honor in this game, a tribe that plays by the rules, a tribe that doesn't "invent" a "public execution" to try to make themselves look good. There is a tribe that can give INSO a true challenge from players who are strong, honest, and dedicated. Come join us over in NEB.

jedisage
aka kenski

 

[DeletedUser45372]

Well there are MANY things wrong in INSO land. I have asked numerous questions of the INSO leadership in these forums that have yet to be answered. I have given them every opportunity to come clean with their motivations. I have asked what REALLY happened when FlorianO attacked TR (an INSO ally), and this turned out to be an account SAT by INSO. No response.

The leaders of INSO have tried to play "cover up" to many wrongs. The most recent is a witch hunt against one of their own, resulting in what may be the first ever defection of an INSO member. Does INSO have a "traitor" among their midst? It is certainly possible, just not who they were conducting their witch hunt on. Here is a very interesting circumstance that could be suspicious. The INSO player arrow ltm lost a large cluster of villages to NEB in a matter of days.


Side 1:
Tribes: N.E.B
Side 2:
Players: Arrow Ltm

Timeframe: 01/05/2011 02:00:00 to 05/05/2011 02:00:00

Total conquers:

Side 1: 293
Side 2: 16
Difference: 277

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 84
Side 2: 0
Difference: 84

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 2,765,193
Side 2: 152,743
Difference: 2,612,450

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 793,626
Side 2: 0
Difference: 793,626

How could this happen? Well either this player made an error in judgement or he cleared the villages for NEB to noble. Here is an interesting scout report from a village in the middle of this lost cluster.

hoss32137 ([10:45:62]Psycho Redneck) attacks INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10

May 02, 2011 01:03:36
The defender has won

Luck (from attacker's point of view)

8.7%
Morale: 100%
Attacker: hoss32137
Origin: [10:45:62]Psycho Redneck (52|146) K10
Hidden by the report owner.


Defender: Arrow Ltm
Destination: INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10

Quantity: 202609 72889 53153 162354 589 24864 6646 29527 2976 175 0 4
Losses: Hidden by the report owner.

Espionage
Resources scouted: 104.652 78.012 144.612
Buildings: Village Headquarters (Level 20)
Barracks (Level 25)
Stable (Level 20)
Workshop (Level 3)
Academy (Level 1)
Smithy (Level 20)
Rally point (Level 1)
Statue (Level 1)
Market (Level 20)
Timber camp (Level 30)
Clay pit (Level 30)
Iron mine (Level 30)
Farm (Level 30)
Warehouse (Level 30)
Wall (Level 20)

http://en13.tribalwars.net/public_report/cba7b08dbf91763bccda4c25af0bc5bc

I choose to give the player the benefit of the doubt, that this was an error. However this is a great example of how circumstances can look suspicious. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I wonder what the real story is about what is going on in INSO, but we will never hear it from the INSO leadership. I challenge the members of INSO to examine and question their leaders. If you don't get the answers you are happy with, there is a tribe that has honor in this game, a tribe that plays by the rules, a tribe that doesn't "invent" a "public execution" to try to make themselves look good. There is a tribe that can give INSO a true challenge from players who are strong, honest, and dedicated. Come join us over in NEB.

jedisage
aka kenski

Well, since you'd like to open the door, I'll be happy to walk through it.

You are more than welcome to take MSMShrek into NEB. We all knew he was friends with NEB players and it was always a suspicion that he would not be in favor of the war against his friends... Remember those surprises we spoke about? this was one of them that we are well aware of, for a long time. Infact, I mentioned that something wasn't right, a month ago. Certain information was passing hands that ONLY got leaked to him. It's a great tactic actually.

Shrek can tell you that I started working magic in spreadsheets lately, one of the spreadsheets has information that every player in INSO was sent and what got back to NEB, and it narrows down to 1 player. BlackBird90 AKA MSMShrek.

I'm aware that most players left in W13 knew which account he played, and for those who didn't, you now do. He was never in PWC, it was just a great story that we plotted to make PWC even more paranoid than they already are.

You point out Arrow LTM's stats against the war, yet you forget to mention his 15,000,000+ ODA gain against NEB and 3,600,000 ODD gain. As well as the 30 villages he took from NEB.

Lets take a look at the conquers for this war, shall we? (red is NEB captures of INSO, blue is INSO captures of NEB)

I'll happily let those villages in K0,western k02 and K10/western k11 go to NEB, while INSO dominates the front lines.

Posting a report that has a bunch of support in it doesn't prove that Arrow is working against the tribe, the stats show he is clearly working WITH the tribe.

Shrek, on the other hand, has continually lied, lied to cover up his lies, and lies even after being caught. He claimed villages on the front lines with "the intention" to send nobles from K35 to K12... Shrek, remember this post?

The issue with THIS situation, is that those villages need to be nobled YESTERDAY. not in a few days, not in a week or 2, not in a month.

I asked you in a mail if there were nobles ready, and you responded with "nobles are prepped in k35 nukes from 13 are prepped i was waitng for the rest of defence back up to arrive for my k12 vills and then sending...but whats the point...clearly a claim doesnt mean *expletive deleted*."

Nobles coming from a village in K35 (I took a random one in my K35 cluster) going to one of the claims.

Duration:	226:20:27
Arrival:	on 23.04. at 14:35:24

That is WAY too long for nobles to travel towards active targets. If you are claiming battlefront villages, you need to have nobles ON the battle front, not 10 days away.

There are thousands of other villages to take in this world, it's pretty pointless to argue over something like this.

From K35, you can push towards PWC/FFS, there are plenty of targets to the east. Don't waste the time and effort to send from K35 to K12 just to let your nobles go SPLAT on the wall.

Ah yes, the grand plan of making nobles travel 225+ hours to noble active enemy villages. Claiming a bunch of frontline villages that you clearly couldn't noble in the reasonable amount of time.

How about the failure to make nobles in the area you wanted to noble in?
How about the failure to kill nobles that you said you made in the area?
How about the failure to get a rise in ODD against NEB when you said you were getting faked, which was the reason to claim those villages?
How about the failure to get a rise in ODD against NEB when you said your villages were cleared and you were losing villages with extremely minimal gains in ODD (Currently 1,603 ODD since the start of the war)

You can attempt to spin it, you can attempt to create drama amongst INSO members, but we are lucky to have the members we have, they understand that shrek needs to be the center of attention at all times. They have all the data at their fingertips to verify what i've posted. The joys of ingame war stats vs TWstats...

Let's have some more forum banter to keep us entertained, shall we?

Here is a breakdown of events thus far.

Spoiler

4/23 - 8:22

well i got 300 nobles so i guess i should after him...will need to replace vills that are isolated...got k2 incomings...so hey what the heck..he's fair gaem right.!

4/23 - 8:30

Who is your attacker and where are they attacking you?

I can help tag the 2K if you like

4/23 - 13:50

yeah k2...72 incomings right now...i was onluine whe they came in..so i tagged them...its nobles for sure...bad thing is...i didnt pull all of my troops back to k2..i had sent some to k12 to defend agaisnt fakes....i'll do my best to even the score.

4/23 - 13:52

how far out.

4/23 - 13:54

there wont be enough time...its 6 hours out...and it k1/k2 border...k3 would be 48-60 houtrs

4/23 - 14:10

6 hours to ALL of your villages in K2?

I have villas in K2 I can send from and northern K12.

4/23 - 22:13 (14 hours after initial post, 8 hours after the "6 hours out" post)

How many nobles did you kill?

4/23 - 22:25 2TLC pointed out his 5 fake ram ODD score, I noticed the increase a few minutes earlier, but i'll use 2TLC's post as the reference. It was actually the reason behind my post at 22:13 above.

He lost 6 villages so far, 3 to Kenski, 3 to Carie0 (JUST happened, wasn't even updated on TWStats yet***edit*** it just updated with carie0's)

	Death before Dishonor (212|41) K02	9,794	Blackbird90 [INSO]	CarieO [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 13:58:38 - 24 hours after "there wont be enough time"
	Death before Dishonor (213|45) K02	9,794	Blackbird90 [INSO]	CarieO [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 13:49:44 - 24 hours after "there wont be enough time"
	Death before Dishonor (211|44) K02	9,794	Blackbird90 [INSO]	CarieO [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 13:28:30 - 24 hours after "there wont be enough time"
	Death before Dishonor (222|37) K02	9,794	Blackbird90 [INSO]	kenski [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 08:22:28 - 24 hours after original post, 18 hours after "there wont be enough time" 
	Death before Dishonor (225|44) K02	10,800	Blackbird90 [INSO]	kenski [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 07:24:23 - 23 hours after original post, 17 hours after "there wont be enough time"
	Death before Dishonor (219|49) K02	9,526	Blackbird90 [INSO]	kenski [N.E.B]	2011-04-24 07:15:24 - 23 hours after original post, 17 hours after "there wont be enough time"

If he killed 1 train of 65 axe + 1 noble. That is 1,840 ODD. Clearly the posts he made and the mails he sent were lies, and as such, treated as what they should be. A player who is acting against the best interest of the tribe.

This all comes after the numerous times that he has stated that he "sent nukes" or "will clear villages for XXX to move down" and failed to do so.
After sitting his account and seeing no nukes out attacking, all nukes sitting at home, warehouses maxed out, and 200+ villages with walls below level 20, it says to me, that shrek is officially the 2nd traitor INSO has seen.

How's this info?

Reports I got so far

Now it only takes 70:21:38 to rebuild a wall so that gave them 22 something hours window I could have missed it going up

****EDIT****
Changed to a ball park hour thingy and all villages are under the 70 hour mark :'[

I dont think I missed any wall getting rebuild the point levels did not change from when he had them to when it changed hands :/

Spoiler

Date and time lost the village: 2011-04-24 16:56:39 (61 hours ago)
Defender: [player]kenski[/player]
Destination: [coord](219|36)[/coord]

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 98 0 0 5455 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Espionage
Resources scouted: 188.126 167.347 219.287
Buildings: Village Headquarters (Level 20)
Barracks (Level 25)
Stable (Level 20)
Workshop (Level 3)
Academy (Level 1)
Smithy (Level 20)
Rally point (Level 1)
Market (Level 21)
Timber camp (Level 30)
Clay pit (Level 30)
Iron mine (Level 30)
Farm (Level 30)
Warehouse (Level 30)
Hiding place (Level 5)
Wall (Level 20)

Date and time lost the village: 2011-04-24 13:58:38 (63 hours ago)
Defender: [player]CarieO[/player]
Destination: [coord](212|41)[/coord]

Quantity: 28314 0 68 8006 155 32 0 5378 5 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Espionage
Resources scouted: 9.316 60.100 41.943
Buildings: Village Headquarters (Level 20)
Barracks (Level 25)
Stable (Level 20)
Workshop (Level 3)
Academy (Level 1)
Smithy (Level 20)
Rally point (Level 1)
Market (Level 21)
Timber camp (Level 30)
Clay pit (Level 30)
Iron mine (Level 30)
Farm (Level 30)
Warehouse (Level 30)
Hiding place (Level 5)
Wall (Level 20)

Date and time lost the village: 2011-04-24 16:31:16 (61 hours ago)
Defender: [player]CarieO[/player]
Destination: [coord](211|43)[/coord]

Quantity: 28835 0 0 10631 8 0 0 9093 1 1 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Espionage
Resources scouted: 61.359 88.757 12.410
Buildings: Village Headquarters (Level 20)
Barracks (Level 25)
Stable (Level 20)
Workshop (Level 3)
Academy (Level 1)
Smithy (Level 20)
Rally point (Level 1)
Market (Level 21)
Timber camp (Level 30)
Clay pit (Level 30)
Iron mine (Level 30)
Farm (Level 30)
Warehouse (Level 30)
Hiding place (Level 5)
Wall (Level 20)

The reason the tribal council was taking so long to decide what to do, was because some of them did not want to kick you out of the tribe. I was one of the people who said you should've never been in INSO to begin with and that with ANY evidence of working against us, you need to get kicked.

We didn't keep you in INSO to prepare an op against you, that was done weeks ago. Preparing an op takes minutes to do, especially when you have all the tools at your fingertips. Buy of course, you actually have to WANT to get better and raise your gameplay to a higher level, you know, with those script thingys that people are talking about using, maybe the support tools INSO has in place, the INSO quickbar perhaps?

Shrek left on his own accord, before he could come up with a defense other than "It was a bad tactical move" only to then do the same thing when the 2nd sit happened. LIES!

I have known you for a long time and it actually makes me sick to know that you've been doing this. But, everyone in the world is free to make their own choices in life, you've made yours, enjoy the consequences of your actions.

Back to Jedi's quote, INSO has never covered up any "Wrongs" on our end. Especially with me on the forums... I tell it like it is and I have no problem letting you people know.

Florian0 was not an INSO sat account by choice (if at all) if it got dumped on an INSO player, awesome, but it surely was not an INSO player at the time of the attacking of TR. Remember who was the INSO player who was eating florian0 right? Blackbird90! What a friggin coincidence!

INSO members know they can ALWAYS come to me or any other council member if they want to question what we do and how we do it. Shrek was vocal about it, which is fine. But not when it creates unnecessary drama among the tribe. Creating posts looking for attention, sending "farewell" mails to players, looking for MORE attention.

Enjoy jumping into the sinking ship.

 

[DeletedUser82316]

Shrek can tell you that I started working magic in spreadsheets lately, one of the spreadsheets has information that every player in INSO was sent and what got back to NEB, and it narrows down to 1 player. BlackBird90 AKA MSMShrek.

Spreadsheets can't make up information that doesn't exist. Like I said before, Minister of Misinformation.

Posting a report that has a bunch of support in it doesn't prove that Arrow is working against the tribe, the stats show he is clearly working WITH the tribe.

If you would actually LOOK at all that information you have in those spreadsheets of yours, you would realize that all that support was sitting next door to villages being nobled. He moved his own troops out of his own villages and then they got nobled. Yeah, it was a mistake on his part.

The reason the tribal council was taking so long to decide what to do, was because some of them did not want to kick you out of the tribe. I was one of the people who said you should've never been in INSO to begin with and that with ANY evidence of working against us, you need to get kicked.

We didn't keep you in INSO to prepare an op against you, that was done weeks ago.

So you had an op prepared weeks ago against one of your own members? The war has only been going for just over 4 weeks. So when did you plan the op on blackbird? Before the war started? Has it been your intention all along to set him up and declare him a traitor because you didn't like him? (Mikew11, watch out. You might be next because Noely stated in the forums here that he didn't like you either.) Of course if what I have been saying all along is true, and this certainly makes it sound like it is, the war op against NEB members was planned before we ever made the move to leave Riders. It wasn't the move or any anticipated action by NEB toward inactive Riders members that precipitated the war, but INSO's own greedy notions about the northwest area. You even planned an op on your own member in preparation for the war also. Or do you want to say you misspoke now?

Buy of course, you actually have to WANT to get better and raise your gameplay to a higher level, you know, with those script thingys that people are talking about using, maybe the support tools INSO has in place, the INSO quickbar perhaps?

You need to do some more instructing. Sending 9 nobles from 1 village in an attempt to take an enemy village over 100 hours away and escorting said nobles with 25 axes and 25 lc without directly following a nuke in, well nothing needs to be said on the quality of that nobling attempt. And yes, that WAS an INSO player. Check those spreadsheets and see if you can figure that out.

Back to Jedi's quote, INSO has never covered up any "Wrongs" on our end. Especially with me on the forums... I tell it like it is and I have no problem letting you people know.

We shall see if this holds true as facts come out... No comment on the "public execution" operation that was completely made up?

Florian0 was not an INSO sat account by choice (if at all) if it got dumped on an INSO player, awesome, but it surely was not an INSO player at the time of the attacking of TR. Remember who was the INSO player who was eating florian0 right? Blackbird90! What a friggin coincidence!

You are right of course. Anytime you receive a sit request you MUST accept it. I completely forgot. As for who was eating that account, I am not sure what the absolutely final numbers were, but we were pretty close to finished by 6/1/2010 and the numbers then were ir.ufis 106, robby the lionheart 60, blackbird 47. So watch out Robby, you may also be accused of being a traitor since you ate more of them than blackbird. Ir.ufis isn't here to defend himself, so feel free to throw him under the bus the way you did marco. Of course it MIGHT be that these players were the ones closest to the area and it made sense for them to noble these villages.

INSO members know they can ALWAYS come to me or any other council member if they want to question what we do and how we do it.

You heard it INSO members, take advantage of this opportunity. Read back through my posts and see what legitimate questions I have asked and if they were answered to your satisfaction. Ask and see if you get any better answer than we all did here in the forums.

 

[DeletedUser45372]

Spreadsheets can't make up information that doesn't exist. Like I said before, Minister of Misinformation.


Sadly, you are correct, spreadsheets can not make up information that doesn't exist, but since said information DOES, infact, exist, it can keep track of who got told what, both in skype and ingame.


If you would actually LOOK at all that information you have in those spreadsheets of yours, you would realize that all that support was sitting next door to villages being nobled. He moved his own troops out of his own villages and then they got nobled. Yeah, it was a mistake on his part.


Prove it. Like I said, posting a copy of a report doesn't show anything...


So you had an op prepared weeks ago against one of your own members? The war has only been going for just over 4 weeks. So when did you plan the op on blackbird? Before the war started? Has it been your intention all along to set him up and declare him a traitor because you didn't like him? (Mikew11, watch out. You might be next because Noely stated in the forums here that he didn't like you either.) Of course if what I have been saying all along is true, and this certainly makes it sound like it is, the war op against NEB members was planned before we ever made the move to leave Riders. It wasn't the move or any anticipated action by NEB toward inactive Riders members that precipitated the war, but INSO's own greedy notions about the northwest area. You even planned an op on your own member in preparation for the war also. Or do you want to say you misspoke now?

I have a spreadsheet of every player left in the world, each players village list auto-updates, it self sorts and is broken down into sections of the K... Every player in the world has an "op" prepared for them already, myself included. Blackbird/shrek set HIMSELF up. His own words hung himself, no other player had to set him up.



You need to do some more instructing. Sending 9 nobles from 1 village in an attempt to take an enemy village over 100 hours away and escorting said nobles with 25 axes and 25 lc without directly following a nuke in, well nothing needs to be said on the quality of that nobling attempt. And yes, that WAS an INSO player. Check those spreadsheets and see if you can figure that out.

Current stats show 4 players that have a net loss of villages against NEB. Clearly our players can noble enemy targets.


We shall see if this holds true as facts come out... No comment on the "public execution" operation that was completely made up?

Prove it. Back your statements up.

You are right of course. Anytime you receive a sit request you MUST accept it. I completely forgot. As for who was eating that account, I am not sure what the absolutely final numbers were, but we were pretty close to finished by 6/1/2010 and the numbers then were ir.ufis 106, robby the lionheart 60, blackbird 47. So watch out Robby, you may also be accused of being a traitor since you ate more of them than blackbird. Ir.ufis isn't here to defend himself, so feel free to throw him under the bus the way you did marco. Of course it MIGHT be that these players were the ones closest to the area and it made sense for them to noble these villages.

I never said it WAS an INSO member that accepted it, I said that it could have been dumped on an INSO member, if at all. IR.Ufis was a standup player, there would be no need to throw him under the bus. Marco quit when he lost a village, that is a coward and a waste of space, and I'm glad that he left on those terms because I wouldn't want him on my team after that.

You heard it INSO members, take advantage of this opportunity. Read back through my posts and see what legitimate questions I have asked and if they were answered to your satisfaction. Ask and see if you get any better answer than we all did here in the forums.

Answers in Blue! And yes, INSO members, read through the posts, you let me know if there is something that seems odd or something that wasn't answered to your satisfaction. INSO members know where I stand. They know how I am and they know how to contact me. Better get to helping BB90 out with his account

 

[DeletedUser82316]

Gee, do I have to do EVERYTHING for you?

Ok, look at the report. This village was scouted on the 2nd at 01:03 and is located at 10|159. Here is a partial list of conquers around that time period from twstats (you know what that is, right?).

INSO ARW SW [10:51:11] (11|151) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 11:25:53
INSO ARW SW [10:50:12] (2|151) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 11:20:58
INSO ARW SW [10:61:07] (17|160) K10 9,387 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:58:09
INSO ARW NW [10:41:91] (11|149) K10 9,607 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:37:13
INSO ARW NW [10:31:41] (11|134) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:32:20
INSO ARW SW [10:61:06] (16|160) K10 9,579 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 09:18:58
INSO ARW SW [10:61:35] (15|163) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:45:26
INSO ARW NW [10:31:21] (11|132) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:42:16
INSO ARW NW [10:40:76] (6|147) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:27:12
INSO ARW NW [10:40:85] (5|148) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:21:55
INSO ARW SW [10:62:71] (21|167) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:11:38
INSO ARW NW [10:40:86] (6|148) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:46:47
INSO ARW NW [10:40:75] (5|147) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:21:39
INSO ARW SW [10:50:07] (7|150) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:17:51
INSO ARW NW [10:31:42] (12|134) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:01:00
INSO ARW NW [10:42:23] (23|142) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 03:51:04
INSO ARW SW [10:61:04] (14|160) K10 9,476 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 03:23:14
INSO ARW SW [10:61:33] (13|163) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 02:33:12
INSO ARW NW [10:40:74] (4|147) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 00:51:59
INSO ARW SW [10:61:45] (15|164) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:53:50
INSO ARW NW [10:42:32] (22|143) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:53:48
INSO ARW SW [10:61:15] (15|161) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:32:46
INSO ARW SW [10:50:04] (4|150) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:15:13


Just for one more piece of "proof" for you, here is a report of a conquer over 12 hours after the scout report showing the troops still sitting in the stacked village.


kenski (Kenski [10:71:99]) conquers INSO ARW SW [10:61:64] (14|166) K10

May 02, 2011 13:53:30
The attacker has won

Luck (from attacker's point of view)

16.1%
Morale: 100%
Attacker: kenski
Origin: Kenski [10:71:99] (19|179) K10
Hidden by the report owner.


Defender: Arrow Ltm
Destination: INSO ARW SW [10:61:64] (14|166) K10

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Defender's troops, that were in transit

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defender's troops in other villages

INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10 8923 3 0 11 0 0 0 1965 0 0 0 0
Haul: Hidden by the report owner.
Loyalty: Dropped from 16 to -4

http://en13.tribalwars.net/public_report/71e5a26364232a8f7aa5745124218565

My point is still that many odd things happen in this game, either by accident, error, misjudgment, etc that could be construed to be suspicious or traitorous. You know what? If you are looking for one, you generally find one whether one existed before the hunt or not.

As for those alleged spreadsheets that contain information, prove it! As for skype conversations, they don't really prove anything and I don't know why you would bother with those.

Every player in the world has an "op" prepared for them already? So you are saying that every INSO player already has an op prepared for them "just in case"? Wow! Paranoid are ya? Reason to be? If I were an INSO player, this would certainly cause me to raise my eyebrows as to why INSO leadership feels the need to have ops prepared on their own players. Is this threat used to keep everyone in line? I chuckled when I saw the Hitler video done to make fun of INSO but I had no idea the tribe was run so similarly. I am shocked to say the least.

Poor INSO players, having sits dumped on them. Is that another INSO rule, if you are offered a sit you MUST accept it even from a player attacking an ally? Yeah, I don't believe that either. Can I prove that INSO had the account from the beginning before the attacks started? Nope. But when TR retaliated and starting catapulting the crap out of those villages, we sure got an INSO mail "ordering" us to cease fire. Sounds like an INSO controlled account to me.

Your list of INSO players that you don't like or don't think should be part of INSO keeps growing. Why don't you end the suspense and go ahead and post the entire list now so that the rest of the current INSO players know who is on it. I have a feeling there are a few players that might be surprised to learn they are not liked by Shad, the council, or the great Noely.

 

[DeletedUser45372]

[spoil]Gee, do I have to do EVERYTHING for you?

Ok, look at the report. This village was scouted on the 2nd at 01:03 and is located at 10|159. Here is a partial list of conquers around that time period from twstats (you know what that is, right?).

INSO ARW SW [10:51:11] (11|151) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 11:25:53
INSO ARW SW [10:50:12] (2|151) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 11:20:58
INSO ARW SW [10:61:07] (17|160) K10 9,387 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:58:09
INSO ARW NW [10:41:91] (11|149) K10 9,607 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:37:13
INSO ARW NW [10:31:41] (11|134) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 10:32:20
INSO ARW SW [10:61:06] (16|160) K10 9,579 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 09:18:58
INSO ARW SW [10:61:35] (15|163) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:45:26
INSO ARW NW [10:31:21] (11|132) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:42:16
INSO ARW NW [10:40:76] (6|147) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:27:12
INSO ARW NW [10:40:85] (5|148) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:21:55
INSO ARW SW [10:62:71] (21|167) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 05:11:38
INSO ARW NW [10:40:86] (6|148) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:46:47
INSO ARW NW [10:40:75] (5|147) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:21:39
INSO ARW SW [10:50:07] (7|150) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:17:51
INSO ARW NW [10:31:42] (12|134) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 04:01:00
INSO ARW NW [10:42:23] (23|142) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 03:51:04
INSO ARW SW [10:61:04] (14|160) K10 9,476 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 03:23:14
INSO ARW SW [10:61:33] (13|163) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 02:33:12
INSO ARW NW [10:40:74] (4|147) K10 9,720 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-02 00:51:59
INSO ARW SW [10:61:45] (15|164) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:53:50
INSO ARW NW [10:42:32] (22|143) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:53:48
INSO ARW SW [10:61:15] (15|161) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] kenski [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:32:46
INSO ARW SW [10:50:04] (4|150) K10 9,464 Arrow Ltm [INSO] hoss32137 [N.E.B] 2011-05-01 23:15:13


Just for one more piece of "proof" for you, here is a report of a conquer over 12 hours after the scout report showing the troops still sitting in the stacked village.


kenski (Kenski [10:71:99]) conquers INSO ARW SW [10:61:64] (14|166) K10

May 02, 2011 13:53:30
The attacker has won

Luck (from attacker's point of view)

16.1%
Morale: 100%
Attacker: kenski
Origin: Kenski [10:71:99] (19|179) K10
Hidden by the report owner.


Defender: Arrow Ltm
Destination: INSO ARW SW [10:61:64] (14|166) K10

Quantity: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Losses: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Defender's troops, that were in transit

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defender's troops in other villages

INSO ARW SW [10:51:90] (10|159) K10 8923 3 0 11 0 0 0 1965 0 0 0 0
Haul: Hidden by the report owner.
Loyalty: Dropped from 16 to -4

http://en13.tribalwars.net/public_report/71e5a26364232a8f7aa5745124218565

My point is still that many odd things happen in this game, either by accident, error, misjudgment, etc that could be construed to be suspicious or traitorous. You know what? If you are looking for one, you generally find one whether one existed before the hunt or not.

As for those alleged spreadsheets that contain information, prove it! As for skype conversations, they don't really prove anything and I don't know why you would bother with those.

Every player in the world has an "op" prepared for them already? So you are saying that every INSO player already has an op prepared for them "just in case"? Wow! Paranoid are ya? Reason to be? If I were an INSO player, this would certainly cause me to raise my eyebrows as to why INSO leadership feels the need to have ops prepared on their own players. Is this threat used to keep everyone in line? I chuckled when I saw the Hitler video done to make fun of INSO but I had no idea the tribe was run so similarly. I am shocked to say the least.

Poor INSO players, having sits dumped on them. Is that another INSO rule, if you are offered a sit you MUST accept it even from a player attacking an ally? Yeah, I don't believe that either. Can I prove that INSO had the account from the beginning before the attacks started? Nope. But when TR retaliated and starting catapulting the crap out of those villages, we sure got an INSO mail "ordering" us to cease fire. Sounds like an INSO controlled account to me.

Your list of INSO players that you don't like or don't think should be part of INSO keeps growing. Why don't you end the suspense and go ahead and post the entire list now so that the rest of the current INSO players know who is on it. I have a feeling there are a few players that might be surprised to learn they are not liked by Shad, the council, or the great Noely.[/spoil]

I was never looking for shrek to be guilty of something, I had a suspicion, and the data (and his own words) brought the spotlight to him.
Spreadsheet data - I did prove it. It was one of the reasons shreks name got brought up.
You obviously like to misconstrue what I say.

I have a spreadsheet of every player left in the world, each players village list auto-updates, it self sorts and is broken down into sections of the K... Every player in the world has an "op" prepared for them already, myself included

Notice the " " around the OP? Since the villages are broken down to sections, it's as simple as "copy and paste" for the op to be created. As well as having scripts that create ops for you, it can be done in as little as 10 seconds from start to finish. Technology is a great thing.
I can tell you straight up, that if someone offers me a sit, I take it. I don't care who it is. I also do things in the best interest of the account. Like when I sat PWC accounts, I helped them with their quickbar scripts to make sure they were working correctly. I even went out of my way to talk to Zathhh to make sure that everyone in his tribe had working mass recruit scripts when the update hit. Since INSO was the first tribe in W13 to have working scripts after the update.
Care to post that mail?
My list of players I don't like or don't think should be in INSO isn't growing at all. I like every single one of my tribe mates currently. The players who left the game while under fire deserve their spot on my list. The players who are all talk and no action in game, also deserve the spot on my list.

Enjoy those outpost villages. When you are done eating them, we'll be even closer.

 

[DeletedUser]

Interesting debate well done both of you for fetching some life back into the forums.


All I can say is that Florian0 was an inso account way back when it was in TR and they were allies with Inso.

 

[DeletedUser]

I must read this thread again when I have some more time. By the way, is Silverrift still playing Arrow's account? Just curious.

can't say i know or care but could you tell me is forgottenwarriorx still playing the false face account and are you still sitting the grofr account

 

[DeletedUser]

Sorry coyote, didn't mean to derail the thread. Different cases though, forgottenwarrior and false face were in the same tribe, if they ever switched accounts or whatever according to the rules it's their business, I don't interfere at that level and even if I did, I'm getting too darn old to remember all the "who's who" after three-plus years of playing anyway. On the other hand, SilverRift was a council member in ORION and was dismissed when he was found to provide support (wasn't timed very well of course) to a red dot here and there against his own tribemates, not a very cool thing to do, I'm sure you'd agree. He was nice enough to let me know (along with some other colorful characterizations) that he was deleting his account to pick a 2k-village (at the time) account in the "great INSO" - not too hard to figure out which 2k-village account was dormant and was awaken as soon as his own account went barb. As for grofr, I can't say, but look at your trains; if they mostly die the answer would be yes, if not, the answer would be no. Anyway, let's get the thread back on topic, and I have to go get some work done - darn RL keeps interfering with our games!

 

[paladin.]

I'm aware that most players left in W13 knew which account he played, and for those who didn't, you now do. He was never in PWC, it was just a great story that we plotted to make PWC even more paranoid than they already are.

lol thought it was him

Something written a little while back...

[spoil]

i'll beat on them against you...

think i'll stick to my bet paly ole chap. oh and jsut to add...i went back and found the records of my account..you have never taken a vill from me...so either you have to admit i am pretty good....or your just that bad....which one is it?

I never knew you even existed until you started spamming the forums after you deleted. Even if you had villages close to mine i probably wouldn't have bothered wasting nobles on a small player that was no threat. But please mail me your new ign name and if you have some vills near i'd be happy to demolish them to the ground. Although if you are who i think you are then i'm guessing you defiantly wouldn't want me, or anyone else outside inso to know who are are

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 80
Side 2: 6
Difference: 74

[/spoil]

Doubt he is spying for NEB tho...

 

[DeletedUser]

didn't mean to derail topic either zathhh was just trying to pull your chain a little.

 

[DeletedUser45372]

lol thought it was him

Something written a little while back...

[spoil]




Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 80
Side 2: 6
Difference: 74

[/spoil]

Doubt he is spying for NEB tho...

Spying wasn't really the issue, it was working against the best interest of the tribe.

 

[DeletedUser]

lol thought it was him

Something written a little while back...

[spoil]




Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 80
Side 2: 6
Difference: 74

[/spoil]

Doubt he is spying for NEB tho...

yep old timer it was me...mail me and lets talk about how to hunt together and mend old fences

 

[DeletedUser]

::Yawn::

Dude you got busted so just get over it. Youre on the other side now so lets have fun killing each other like we're suppose to.

 

[DeletedUser82316]

Let's take a look at the stats for the past 24 hours.

 

[DeletedUser]

::Yawn::

Dude you got busted so just get over it. Youre on the other side now so lets have fun killing each other like we're suppose to.

ummm..since when did you come back? last i knew for a fact you were here you played darth naval....

 

[DeletedUser]

you would know..you were the one passing that exact info out to people..




whats your degree in? lets see transcrpit..check...diploma ....check....you still working in the deli shop?



theres a differnce between not being able and flat out not being willing to stoop to some players low standards and level of personal conduct. i adhere to higher standard than you do...that much is obvious.

i dont have anything to say about this world, so just carry on with yalls topic after this post

shrek bro, i miss you man, sorry, long time no talk, past year i got in some trouble and had to leave the game without saying bye to anyone, but glad to see you still playing, Im going to start again, but nothing to serious like last time, until it sucks me in like a cocaine addiction, anyway, just had to say hi

 

[DeletedUser]

i dont have anything to say about this world, so just carry on with yalls topic after this post

shrek bro, i miss you man, sorry, long time no talk, past year i got in some trouble and had to leave the game without saying bye to anyone, but glad to see you still playing, Im going to start again, but nothing to serious like last time, until it sucks me in like a cocaine addiction, anyway, just had to say hi

dude! long time no see...nice to feel some love from ya! hit me up i still got ya on skype!

 

[DeletedUser]

Let's take a look at the stats for the past 24 hours.

Your post is a bit ..... off :icon_twisted:

I think you meant it to look more like the facts and that is more like this: :icon_wink:

I'll put in a few from TWStats so you can follow along OK :lol:


Side 1:
Tribes: INSO
Side 2:
Tribes: N.E.B

Timeframe: Last 24 hours

Total conquers:

Side 1: 246
Side 2: 86
Difference: 160

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 94
Side 2: 45
Difference: 49

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 2,339,765
Side 2: 809,735
Difference: 1,530,030

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 907,868
Side 2: 420,342
Difference: 487,526

Side 1:
Tribes: INSO
Side 2:
Tribes: N.E.B

Timeframe: Last 48 hours

Total conquers:

Side 1: 423
Side 2: 171
Difference: 252

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 152
Side 2: 83
Difference: 69

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 4,014,428
Side 2: 1,611,466
Difference: 2,402,962

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 1,463,668
Side 2: 779,824
Difference: 683,844

Side 1:
Tribes: INSO
Side 2:
Tribes: N.E.B

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers:

Side 1: 1,594
Side 2: 603
Difference: 991

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 561
Side 2: 212
Difference: 349

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 15,150,860
Side 2: 5,685,189
Difference: 9,465,671

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 5,362,876
Side 2: 2,012,455
Difference: 3,350,421

Side 1:
Tribes: INSO
Side 2:
Tribes: N.E.B

Timeframe: Last month

Total conquers:

Side 1: 7,236
Side 2: 1,441
Difference: 5,795

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 2,663
Side 2: 701
Difference: 1,962

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 68,671,409
Side 2: 13,693,295
Difference: 54,978,114

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 25,213,996
Side 2: 6,682,635
Difference: 18,531,361

Side 1:
Tribes: INSO
Side 2:
Tribes: N.E.B

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers:

Side 1: 132,940
Side 2: 1,573
Difference: 131,367

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 2,665
Side 2: 703
Difference: 1,962

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 1,277,855,689
Side 2: 14,964,587
Difference: 1,262,891,102

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 25,233,453
Side 2: 6,702,456
Difference: 18,530,997

 

[DeletedUser]

So, if Blackbirds losses are going to count against us, isn't it only fair that his villages leaving INSO and coming to NEB count for us at some point?