When Alliances Turn Bad!.... Part1

Status
Not open for further replies.

DeletedUser

Guest
Recruiting refugees, Arguing, Insults, Disrespect, Lies, Backstabbing, Deceit, Ignorance....
We've had it all given to us, courtesy of an Ally.


This is the type of behaviour we are used to dealing with from another tribe when at war. Not an Ally.


Times up.
mad-as-hell1.jpg


Here is a look at how our 'alliance' has operated

Recruiting Refugees! they haz points, lets invite!
[spoil]roygal Joined 30th November 2009 - 04:00 11,630,441
enampuluh Joined 29th November 2009 - 10:00 4,052,772
Arimel Joined 29th November 2009 - 07:00 19,522,008
vederzone Joined 29th November 2009 - 07:00 13,222,117
MythicEpidemic Joined 28th November 2009 - 22:00 5,060,484
Tinsheds Joined 27th November 2009 - 19:00 8,026,244
smudgerleeds Joined 27th November 2009 - 19:00 6,000,005
okanaganer Joined 27th November 2009 - 19:00 11,031,963
IronMask123 Joined 27th November 2009 - 19:00 7,756,663
Gas Head Joined 27th November 2009 - 19:00 9,527,903[/spoil]

All this without even so much as talking to us about recruting plans for the north. Despite the fact that all these players are declared refugees of Axe.

But no, believe it or not we would not drop an alliance based on this. We realise Exile want their hard earned points. So they can keep them :)

Which leads up to.....

Arguing! just lemme click invite!
[spoil][22/11/2009 5:31:18 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: Exile has had some recent acquisitions - just thought I would give you all a heads up.

I know some of you wont like it - I would appreciate the courtesy we have showed all of you with your recruiting of players - Exile has backed away from attacking any of your recruits - we would expect the same of you.

Thanks HK
[23/11/2009 2:23:32 a.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): (y)
[23/11/2009 2:24:05 a.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): i had meant for all of us to discuss who is going to go where when the north finally collapses but i dont think we're all online at the same time :p
[23/11/2009 2:37:38 a.m.] cajunman321321: what did i miss?
[23/11/2009 2:38:02 a.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): some of NL went to exile3
[cutting out spam]
[23/11/2009 5:17:03 a.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): derek/tony if you're here, we've got a problem with the recruitment of sir rightaway...as far as i can tell the other ones weren't under attack but he had been claimed/nuked/nobled by AXE.
[spoil][23/11/2009 5:18:01 a.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): Village Points Old Owner New Owner Date/Time
*N~L* Estate 045 (148|229) K21 9,402 Sir Rightaway08 [Exile3] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-23 11:20:39
*N~L* Estate 043 (149|229) K21 9,426 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-23 01:36:04
*N~L* Estate 014 (147|241) K21 9,563 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-20 11:23:48
*N~L* Estate 016 (147|240) K21 9,293 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-20 10:08:55
*N~L* Estate 023 (146|236) K21 9,390 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-20 03:08:52
*N~L* Estate 020 (146|240) K21 8,385 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-20 00:58:08
*N~L* Estate 024 (148|243) K21 9,376 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-20 00:34:25
*N~L* Estate 019 (148|240) K21 9,369 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 20:31:11
*N~L* Estate 030 (150|241) K21 8,750 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 19:40:14
*N~L* Estate 018 (148|237) K21 8,757 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 18:25:26
*N~L* Estate 029 (150|242) K21 8,858 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 11:13:10
*N~L* Estate 028 (151|241) K21 9,610 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 07:11:48
*N~L* Estate 027 (151|240) K21 9,593 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 06:06:44
*N~L* Estate 015 (148|239) K21 9,393 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 04:57:12
*N~L* Estate 031 (150|237) K21 9,560 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 04:12:12
*N~L* Estate 017 (147|238) K21 9,352 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 03:19:42
*N~L* Estate 025 (145|238) K21 9,352 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-19 02:06:56
*N~L* Estate 032 (147|259) K21 9,549 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 22:39:13
*N~L* Estate 036 (148|259) K21 9,287 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 18:20:16
*N~L* Estate 033 (145|259) K21 9,228 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 13:22:42
*N~L* Estate 026 (149|243) K21 9,083 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 12:55:19
*N~L* Estate 035 (144|260) K21 9,632 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 08:59:48
*N~L* Estate 021 (147|244) K21 9,428 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 08:41:48
*N~L* Estate 022 (148|242) K21 8,667 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 04:29:24
*N~L* Estate 034 (146|259) K21 9,376 Sir Rightaway08 [*N~L*] KING CORPSE [AXE] 2009-11-18 03:21:57[/spoil]
[23/11/2009 5:18:23 a.m.] cajunman321321: we've been hitting him, too
[23/11/2009 2:35:45 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: do we really want to go down this path????
[23/11/2009 2:36:09 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: Exile has had some recent acquisitions - just thought I would give you all a heads up.

I know some of you wont like it - I would appreciate the courtesy we have showed all of you with your recruiting of players - Exile has backed away from attacking any of your recruits - we would expect the same of you.
[23/11/2009 2:36:35 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): yeah but how many of our recent recruits were you already nobling?
[23/11/2009 2:37:23 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: what does that have to do with it?
It has everything to do with it, refugees?
[23/11/2009 2:37:32 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): ....
[23/11/2009 2:37:36 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): really?
[23/11/2009 2:39:38 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): so recruiting krazykat in k39 is the same as recruiting rightaway? enemies are enemies?
[23/11/2009 2:40:17 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: I will not tolerate any attacks period..not open for discussion
[23/11/2009 2:40:34 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): because?
[23/11/2009 2:40:37 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: sorry to sound militant --- that was always AXE's stance toward us in the past
[23/11/2009 2:40:55 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): so we're going the "two wrongs" road? hehe (y)
[23/11/2009 2:41:22 p.m.] Sherry - WM: wow...this conversation is going great with my margarita im drinking, anyone care for some :)
alcoholic :p
[23/11/2009 2:41:40 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: check your self Sid....review the months of threats toward Exile when we recruited in the past - we gave in in the past not this time buddy
[23/11/2009 2:42:18 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): S.V.W. (Sid) doesn't remember
[23/11/2009 2:42:35 p.m. | Edited 2:43:03 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: we have always backed down when AXE has recruited......I remember it all
[23/11/2009 2:43:40 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): so why is this inactive/sat player so important? is he just the window to the north rim?
[23/11/2009 2:45:28 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: Regardless of the reason - the villages will be distrubuted among Exile players
Brilliant, so you recruit a dead account simply so that you can safely noble it, when we already were
[23/11/2009 2:46:38 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): neat
[23/11/2009 2:47:03 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: I would like to re-iterate the condition of us being Allies is not to answer to AXE for any thing - either we work together - that includes respecting us enough to recruit and utilize the territory as we see fit ---- or would you like to take over Exile and tell me how to run it

So we must work together, so long as Exile gets it their way? right....
[/spoil]

When we think about it, arguing is common place in the Southern Council chat, so we'll let the alliance stand for now. After all it wouldnt be fair to let jmon off the hook for arguing :p (see spearlocks sig)

Heres some other points to ponder over as well:
- When Boozie created Fear, in order to cut down our number of enemies and create a neutral tribe, Exile got a tad lot angry when we asked them if they could leave Fear alone and focus on NL.
-TShaw threatning to end our diplomacy if Grebro nobled another village in their territory
-Hk54DT deleting our shared NL war forums TWICE because it was 'cluttered'
-Several attempts at claiming all the barbs left behind by either a deleted player or an enemy. Despite Axe never doing this.

The best is still to come though...

Now this is where it gets really interesting to read! I hope you W15'ers enjoy a slice of Boozie at his best! Note: A long but fun read.
HK45DT - Mark:I would like to make certain you know we too have waited a long time for retribution...

[spoil]
[14/09/2009 9:35:02 a.m.] boozie: Prince Belling today at 22:21
Well as boots and spear stepped down from leadership duties to just be soldiers and I took over HK seemed to just ignore me mostly when I asked him to look into a couple of his players attacking a couple of my players for me.
I had this mail in our tribe info so I decided to bring it out and show you guys.
It couldn't hurt anything this side and It was either delete it or find a use for it.

So I found a use for it.

Now during this time Boozie and Axe council had been shown screen shots of this convo that happened between Mark and NL leaders, so we knew it was real.

[14/09/2009 9:40:16 a.m.] boozie: [7/6/2009 5:09:36 PM] HK45DT - Mark: As with all agreements - I am looking out for my tribe - and would want to make certain we are all on the same page when things begin to happen.
[7/6/2009 5:11:06 PM] HK45DT - Mark: The ideal scenario is that we need to continue to continue with our Allied relationship as this would serve all involved - however perceptions and reality are not always perfectly aligned (devil)
[7/6/2009 5:11:29 PM] HK45DT - Mark: I am usually not an evil person -- really -- LOL
[7/6/2009 5:14:15 PM] little.boots: Hypotheticaly.. You best bet would to hold for the first full campaigns and
[14/09/2009 9:40:22 a.m.] boozie: theres a snippet
[14/09/2009 9:40:28 a.m.] Tony Shaw: okay, what ever im not debating it, but its easy to fake, MArk deny's it, thats good enough for me.

...........................

[14/09/2009 9:48:21 a.m.] boozie: [7/6/2009 6:16:53 PM] HK45DT - Mark: Good we will definately talk again soon as I will be happy to give you updates.
[7/6/2009 7:44:32 PM] HK45DT - Mark: Could we call this a NAP and revist when the AXE take down is complete.... ;)
[7/6/2009 7:48:24 PM] little.boots: for sure
[7/6/2009 7:52:51 PM] HK45DT - Mark: Signed and sealed ;)
[7/6/2009 9:22:08 PM] Jason Anderson: One question, think someone might tell axe if we suddenly show up as a NAP on either side?
[7/6/2009 9:23:35 PM] HK45DT - Mark: I have help back putting this in our diplomacy - however my council is aware and my tribe listens - no one is rogue - so if I tell them not to attack a target they listen.
[7/6/2009 9:23:45 PM] HK45DT - Mark: held back
[7/6/2009 9:24:03 PM] HK45DT - Mark: This will help prevent any leaks to AXE
[14/09/2009 9:48:22 a.m.] Tony Shaw: this is part of war, there was never any areement we never would
[14/09/2009 9:48:29 a.m.] boozie: yeah in your end though
[14/09/2009 9:48:37 a.m.] boozie: :p
[14/09/2009 9:49:03 a.m.] boozie: see just because i don't say much very often does not mean that i don't know things
[14/09/2009 9:49:12 a.m.] boozie: its not the first time this has happened
[14/09/2009 9:49:47 a.m.] Tony Shaw: so what, we had a nap with them, you no this big deal
[14/09/2009 9:50:18 a.m.] Tony Shaw: we took UAE as part ofthat deal to
[14/09/2009 9:50:27 a.m.] Tony Shaw: nothing major here yet
[14/09/2009 9:50:34 a.m. | Edited 9:50:50 a.m.] Tony Shaw: post the whole thing
[14/09/2009 9:50:41 a.m.] Tony Shaw: i shoot it all down
[14/09/2009 9:50:50 a.m.] boozie: hang on turning on an alyy is not a big deal?
[14/09/2009 9:51:06 a.m.] boozie: told ya already ask mark to post the whole thing
[14/09/2009 9:51:30 a.m.] Tony Shaw: implying and doing are to different thing once again where does it say that
[14/09/2009 9:52:08 a.m.] boozie: tony wheres the support for AXE?
[14/09/2009 9:52:42 a.m.] boozie: repeatedly we were told once exiles front lines were stacked we would receive aid
[14/09/2009 9:52:49 a.m.] boozie: i wonder why that didn't happen
[14/09/2009 9:52:57 a.m.] boozie: :^)
[14/09/2009 9:53:11 a.m.] boozie: now you can try claim that you were playing with NL
[14/09/2009 9:53:15 a.m.] Tony Shaw: true, fair point. can't argue that
[14/09/2009 9:53:30 a.m.] boozie: but we all know that you just got caught with your hands in the cookie jar ;)

......................................................

[14/09/2009 10:06:04 a.m.] boozie: [7/19/2009 12:58:52 PM] Jason Anderson (.Spearlock.): Looks better for when you turn and fire on axe.
[7/19/2009 12:59:00 PM] HK45DT: (devil)
[7/19/2009 12:59:35 PM] HK45DT: I can tell you the rumor mill is in full swing with AXE - they are scrambling to get ready
[7/19/2009 1:01:34 PM] Jason Anderson (.Spearlock.): Yeah, they are attacking me with crappy fakes to try and get me to hog defenses.
[7/19/2009 1:02:10 PM] Jason Anderson (.Spearlock.): like 45 attacks from 1 city, 40 from another, 30 from another... and then another player is sending 30 attacks from 5 cities.
[7/19/2009 1:02:23 PM] HK45DT: laughable
[14/09/2009 10:06:51 a.m.] boozie: [7/19/2009 1:04:45 PM] HK45DT: I believe that they are trying to shift the target - I have heard talk they want the southern tribes to launch fakes up north and AXE say they will and ulitmately what happens is they do nothing - and the other tribes do all the work -- they have done that with Ops on UAE with us - we had a launch date and they purposefully waited 24 hours
[7/19/2009 1:05:21 PM] HK45DT: they have pissed me off too many times

[14/09/2009 10:07:39 a.m.] Tony Shaw: once again inneundo
[14/09/2009 10:07:48 a.m.] boozie: how the heck is it innuedo?
[14/09/2009 10:08:15 a.m.] boozie: he is telling NL dukes of the war plans that we shared with you guys originally
[14/09/2009 10:08:26 a.m.] boozie: thats hard facts
[14/09/2009 10:08:32 a.m.] boozie: nothing hidden about that
[14/09/2009 10:08:39 a.m.] boozie: its one of the reasons we stopped sharing
[14/09/2009 10:08:48 a.m.] boozie: because we know we have no spies in AXE
[14/09/2009 10:08:58 a.m.] boozie: so the leaks had to be from somewhere else
[14/09/2009 10:09:01 a.m.] Tony Shaw: wht that your southern alliance is sending fakes
[14/09/2009 10:09:24 a.m.] boozie: i now also know how leaks occured from this council chat and how spearlock got his forum signature
[14/09/2009 10:09:53 a.m.] Tony Shaw: okay let me know, im really interested
[14/09/2009 10:09:57 a.m.] boozie: tony your back peddling an awful lot here
[14/09/2009 10:10:29 a.m.] Tony Shaw: no im not boozie, that would be shot down so easy
[14/09/2009 10:10:43 a.m.] boozie: get the man himself in here to do it then
[14/09/2009 10:10:57 a.m.] boozie: and since you have claimed it was fake at first
[14/09/2009 10:11:06 a.m.] boozie: then switched to saying its innuedo
[14/09/2009 10:11:12 a.m.] boozie: thats called back peddling :p
[/spoil]

So yes, Exile plotted with NL to attack Axe part way through the war. We were promised support and instead we got our ally planning attacks behind our back...
(If anyone wants the full mail to read, mail me ig)

But no, thats not the reason we are dropping the alliance.

Quite simply, its comes down to this:
[23/11/2009 2:47:03 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: I would like to re-iterate the condition of us being Allies is not to answer to AXE for any thing - either we work together - that includes respecting us enough to recruit and utilize the territory as we see fit ---- or would you like to take over Exile and tell me how to run it
[23/11/2009 2:47:30 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: get a grip...run your tribe and I will run mine
[23/11/2009 2:47:35 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): i would like refugees to be refugees, and for recruitment to be discussed
[23/11/2009 2:47:43 p.m.] HK45DT - Mark: not going to happen
[23/11/2009 2:47:43 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): but (y)
[23/11/2009 2:47:45 p.m.] S.V.W. (Sid): i'll run mine


Yes Mark(HK45DT), we will run our tribe, and we will run it the best way we know how... by declaring war. On you and Exile.
The reason? Just because we can, and its our tribe to run :)
 
Last edited by a moderator:

DeletedUser

Guest
good luck to both tribes


and really ancient you wish you were online to have a margarita with me :icon_rolleyes:
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Should be an interesting one. We shall see if Exile really are the masters of long range nobling or not...
Since their both allies I'm not really biased...
*cough*Go AXE*cough*...nothing personal just ex NL people annoyed me
 

Gold dot

Guest
WOW, with allies like that who needs enemies. :icon_rolleyes: Now to see if Exile can do something besides noble barbs and recruit

GO AXE
 

DeletedUser

Guest
hmm... angry about inviting targets.. I remember AXE doing that quite often. SS ::cough: Godly :cough::

I'm sure both sides have fire for their side.. So, I'm getting from this very lengthy declaration that AXE declared, cuz they wanted to.

Brilliant. But the leaders who decided certainly did not think about their other neighbor's diplomacy.

Though AXE is allies with TSoH, I've known and supported Exile longer.. so GO EXILE!
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Should be an interesting one. We shall see if Exile really are the masters of long range nobling or not...
Since their both allies I'm not really biased...
*cough*Go AXE*cough*...nothing personal just ex NL people annoyed me
not all of them you still love me :D:icon_razz:
 

DeletedUser

Guest
joarth

i hope i will be a little bit more active and hope exile will die

so LETS GO GUYS

AXE IN FIRE

JO
 

xannash

Guest
Really it's been a long time coming...

hmmm...possibly enough for me to come back and play again?
 

DeletedUser

Guest
yes enough time move your tail to the batlefield or i ll be very very sad
fox_emoticons-17.gif
 

DeletedUser

Guest
Well I would like to say I never saw this coming.....but its no surprise, AXE have been consistently 'boxing' Exile in and Exile braking that 'box' was clearly going to upset the delicately balanced apple cart!

Makes me want to come back and play again.

GO EXILE!!!
 

derek1608

Non-stop Poster
Reaction score
23
Guess the mighty AXE leadership got in a sissy fit because those players refused their invite,Oh dear SID,people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Its not a surprise this comes around,there was always going to be an end game,dont see the need for name calling and any bitching,I have a lot of friends in AXE who I respect.

Lets change the tone,and just have a nice war where we kill each other till the best tribe remains.

Onwards and Upwards Exile
 

Gold dot

Guest
hmm... angry about inviting targets.. I remember AXE doing that quite often. SS ::cough: Godly :cough::

I'm sure both sides have fire for their side.. So, I'm getting from this very lengthy declaration that AXE declared, cuz they wanted to.

Brilliant. But the leaders who decided certainly did not think about their other neighbor's diplomacy.

Though AXE is allies with TSoH, I've known and supported Exile longer.. so GO EXILE!

was Exile thinking of diplomacy with its allies when they were plotting with NL???? I think not, and it seems like they were even leaking private conversations from the leadership chat to NL. Inviting targets is one thing, flat out giving the enemy info regarding your allies plans is just wrong, this declaration should have came soon
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top